Thread: The Effects Of Lysergic Acid On A Cat

Originally Posted by Keeper

not the brightest thing to say in a thread wich Burns posted in
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I think it's a valid opinion to state through, regardless of any cat-lovers present. Animals aren't people, people are people. Why bother emphasising with one animal? It's not likely to have the intelligence to think anything of it. I'm all for human rights but the idea that animals have rights is ridiculous, they are inferior to us and thus do not warrant any extension to society's morals. Maybe if it were endangered, yes, but it's just one little kitten - there'd be plenty more it's just a commodity after all to satisfy those who think caring for a furry animal will somehow enhance their lives and bring happiness to theip pet's stunted little minds.

Originally Posted by Identity

I think it's a valid opinion to state through, regardless of any cat-lovers present. Animals aren't people, people are people. Why bother emphasising with one animal? It's not likely to have the intelligence to think anything of it. I'm all for human rights but the idea that animals have rights is ridiculous, they are inferior to us and thus do not warrant any extension to society's morals. Maybe if it were endangered, yes, but it's just one little kitten - there'd be plenty more it's just a commodity after all to satisfy those who think caring for a furry animal will somehow enhance their lives and bring happiness to theip pet's stunted little minds.[/b]

So basically what you're saying is that animals cannot feel pain so who cares, right? Animals experience pain in the same exact way, and intensity, as people do, but just because they can't say how much it hurts, doesn't make it any less of a sensation. Oh, it's just one animal - so the same can be said for one starving child - it's just one starving, suffering child, so who cares? It doesn't affect me. That's just an ignorant and uncompassionate way of thinking. Animals are living creatures, just as humans are - we are just animals, too, in case you've forgotten. We do not have any right to torture animals just because we can.

Originally Posted by Burns

Animals experience pain in the same exact way, and intensity, as people do, but just because they can't say how much it hurts, doesn't make it any less of a sensation.
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A sensation yes but I doubt animals have as complex an emotional relationship with pain as a human does.

Originally Posted by Burns

Oh, it's just one animal - so the same can be said for one starving child - it's just one starving, suffering child, so who cares?
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No, one cat is not equal to one human child. I'd happily kill a million kittens if it were to save one child. Perhaps animals do have some worth - some more than others - but relative to the importance of just one human, it's tiny.

Originally Posted by Burns

That's just an ignorant and uncompassionate way of thinking.
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Compassion is a human emotion, so I'll stick to being compassionate about humans only thank you. As for ignorant, I don't believe that myself. I think it is a just opinion.

Originally Posted by Burns

Animals are living creatures, just as humans are - we are just animals, too, in case you've forgotten.
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Maybe there exists some superset "Animals" but it would be a stretch of the imagination to say it had any context other than sheer biology. The differences between humans and animals are vast, I don't argue that we are biologically somewhat similar, but this superficial; humans are quite obviously more advanced, progressed and valued than 'other' animals, and our objective experiences and purpose are not to be compared.

Originally Posted by Burns

We do not have any right to torture animals just because we can.
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That may be true, but the kitten in the video is part of valuable biological trials, as are many animals. Vivisection and experimentation is a great idea, not because it kills animals, but because it is such a useful tool in areas of research that are genuinely worthwhile.

Originally Posted by Identity

Animals aren't people, people are people.[/b]

Actually humans are animals, I mean why aren't we? Just because we have a language and can build stuff doesn't mean we aren't animals.

As Bob said its funny how they use a cat for human results instead of humans. Personally I'd like to see the scientist having those symptons, for scientific research ofcourse

Originally Posted by NeAvO

Personally I'd like to see the scientist having those symptons, for scientific research ofcourse [/b]

Yeah really! I wikied LSD (I know wiki isn't an altogether reliable source but I just wanted to see the basics), and I can't imagine anyone wanting to put their bodies through that. Here are a couple snippets that jumped out at me:

Physical reactions to LSD are highly variable and may include the following: uterine contractions, hyperthermia (body temperature increase), elevated blood sugar levels, dry-mouth, goose bumps, heart-rate increase, jaw clenching, nausea, perspiration, pupil-dilation, salivation, mucus production, sleeplessness, paresthesia, euphoria or dysphoria, hyperreflexia, tremors and synesthesia. Cramps and muscle tension or soreness are also commonly reported, and this may be a result of the drug's effect on soft tissues such as the uterus.[/b]

An LSD trip can have long lasting or even permanent neutral, negative, and positive psychoemotional effects. LSD experiences can range from indescribably ecstatic to extraordinarily difficult; many difficult experiences (or "bad trips") result from a panicked user feeling they are going to die, are going to stay insane forever or that he or she has been permanently severed from reality and his or her ego. If the user is in a hostile or otherwise unsettling environment, or is not mentally prepared for the powerful distortions in perception and thought that the drug causes, effects are more likely to be unpleasant.[/b]

heh, sounds like fun!

Originally Posted by NeAvO

As Bob said its funny how they use a cat for human results instead of humans. Personally I'd like to see the scientist having those symptons, for scientific research ofcourse
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If I am remembering correctly, way back when, they did test unsuspecting members of the US army without their knowledge. I remember reading something about it in the paper at least 30 years ago.

I've known many people that used LSD for recreational purposes, but imagine how it must feel to have someone slip it to you without your knowledge.

Back in the 70's, I remember being at a high school dance in which someone did just that to a guy I knew. Totally freaked the guy out. He would just be standing around and then scream, I mean a blood curdling scream and then run away. We had to stay with that guy and try to keep him from hurting himself for over two hours. It was right then that I decided I would never use a psycho active substance. really made an impression on me.

Originally Posted by Identity

I think it's a valid opinion to state through, regardless of any cat-lovers present. Animals aren't people, people are people. Why bother emphasising with one animal? It's not likely to have the intelligence to think anything of it. I'm all for human rights but the idea that animals have rights is ridiculous, they are inferior to us and thus do not warrant any extension to society's morals. Maybe if it were endangered, yes, but it's just one little kitten - there'd be plenty more it's just a commodity after all to satisfy those who think caring for a furry animal will somehow enhance their lives and bring happiness to theip pet's stunted little minds.
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Please think: If there are highly advanced aliens out there who think that way towards humans (the same way you do towards cats), wouldn't it be very unfortunate for humankind?

Compassion is wisdom.