Pedophilia - Fates Worse Than Death Exaggerated

[Leo Volont]

Fates Worse Than Death – Exaggerated Society often makes things worse than they need to be… especially regarding the consequences of sexual indiscretions. For instance, in the case of pedophilia, when in 9 cases out of 10 the young children are approached with invitations to ‘party and have fun’ and where they are hardly disappointed – finding that they can have just as much fun as any adult. Quite from being traumatized at the time, they rather enjoy themselves. Until the party is ‘busted’, and then is when everything turns nasty and ugly. The children thought they were only having pleasure, though somewhat exotically, but they were willing to go along with it, as it seemed just as fun as it had been promised to be (as in the case of Pedophilia in the Church, none of ‘victims’ complained until the opportunities for Class Action Suits promised great wealth to those who years later decided that they had been damaged). We need also to remember that the Mass Media keeps up a constant cadence extolling romantic love and sex as factors that give one a positive score in Life. Children can hardly help but to notice this mass media message and respond to it in kind – that one should run toward Sex and not away from it. But when they act upon that implied Ideal, and accept the invitations of pedophiles who throw the parties, and are caught at it, then the message drastically changes. They get the “Wouldn’t it have been better if you had died”, or the ‘Fate Worse Than Death’ message. It is stated in many different ways. The most common is “you do not have to be ashamed”. Well, they weren’t ashamed, were they? It is only when they are told a thousand times that they should not be ashamed that they begin to understand just how shamefully they had behaved. Indeed, nobody ever really means it. Just imagine if a child were to say “If I have nothing to be ashamed of, then why did you interrupt our party, and why should we not continue with our fun?” Well, they all understand very well that “You do not need to be ashamed” means more in the order of “your shame is unspeakable”. So when is the most damage done? If the children go undiscovered in their precocious sexuality then what is the harm but that they have arrived sooner to where everybody strives their hardest to be? In a society that laughs at any 20 year old virgin, what is really so bad about a ten year old Child of the World. By the time each is 30 it would all have evened out. The real danger is in traumatizing those who get caught. Society can pretend it is only castigating the adult pedophiles, but look at it from the children’s perspective. These were their friends and party-mates. And then they are beaten and thrown in prison, and for what? In a Society, where every adult can’t wait for the weekends in order to cat about without rest until some kind of sex is engaged in, then it is odd that sex in this one specific context is treated as though it is a ‘fate worse than death’. Well, its not. Society should stop exaggerating these things. Not that it should be encouraged and approved. We don’t need to sponsor such things. But when a child is caught having sex, the adult involved should be told he should be ashamed of himself – “playing with children”. And the Children should be told that they should behave with more dignity, and to stop it or they will be spanked. And then it should be forgotten. If any more of a big deal is made of it then it really requires, then this is where the real damage will accrue. If a person is punished for sexuality in their childhood, it can hardly be expected that they will have healthy sex lives when they become adults.

[LunarMoon]

On the contrary, there are several children who suffer in silence without media interference to heighten the misery. While it can be said that cases that involve teenagers, those with a profound interest in sexuality and often instigators of the occurrence, it is simply absurd to state that prepubescent children have such a profound sexual drive that they would seek these relations. After all, if this were true, it seems that we’d encounter far greater incidence of intercourse in games of “doctor”. As for claiming that children do not suffer unless the media is present, this goes against scientific knowledge. It has been shown that such mental illnesses as depression, antisocial personality disorder, and even multiple personality disorder often develop in cases in which not only does no one know of the crime other than the offender and the victim but the victim is to young to know of sexual taboos. Not only is the damage often psychological but it is often physical as well. The vagina of a prepubescent girl simply is not large or flexible enough to receive an adult penis. As well, in cases of boys, anal ruptures and STDs often await. As for the argument that societies outlook is responsible for the worst, let it be known that it is often the individual that must change, not the society as a whole. All that we find discomfortable is due to societies influence on our perception of the world. This certainly does not mean that it is society that should draw away all taboos, moral codes, and religious beleifs so that no discomfort will be felt for destructive events. Though I could easily continue, I feel that such an idea is so barren of order and logic (scientifically and otherwise) that I need not go on. However, if further verification is needed, I shall be sure to comply. This isn't about childhood sexuality, which is served quite well with games of "doctor" done by children their own age, this is about an act that often causes several problems that pervade the entire life of the victim.

[Leo Volont]

Dear Lunar Moon, yes, yes, yes... children cannot engage in the same kinds of sex as adults. And so it is that I do not believe that actual Pedophiles are doing any of these things. You see, what they are doing has to be sustainable. They do it day in and day out. If the children were not having 'fun' they would not be coming back for more, would they? yes, once every so often some pervert actually harms a child. And then the Propaganda Mill (you included) paints every single occurrance with that same exaggerated and extreme brush. But you need to understand that the day to day continuous sex parties that these children throw for themselves, and that are thrown for them, do them no harm, or they simply would not attend. Now, I am only guessing, and I have no access to child pornography, but let me ask anybody who does -- are any of these children crying out in pain and humiliation? My guess is that they are having fun. Now, as for my personal preferences, I would have it that nobody at any age should ever have sex again, and that the entire world should take up celibacy. But I would suspect that to be a minority view. Most people think that Sex is a positive experience. And it is for these people that I have written my essay. They should realize that beating and punishing very young people for having precocious sex is what turns them into 'damaged goods', and not the early experiences themselves. Besides, people need to wonder about where that arbitrary calendar line falls -- what day is it in a person's life when yesterday that sex would be an abomination worse than death, but tomorrow that sex would be a glorious self discovery and fulfillment? I think Wisdom would declare that at whatever age, a person's private life should remain private. If anybody, even a child, should have the foresight to close a door, then we should all better knock and wait for the 'all clear' before going in. And if Little Johnny is in the middle of Bible Studies with the Priest, then we should just be glad that Little Johnny is so Religiously precocious.

[LunarMoon]

yes, yes, yes... children cannot engage in the same kinds of sex as adults. And so it is that I do not believe that actual Pedophiles are doing any of these things.[/b] Then what kind of sex can they engage in? Fondling? In 18% of cases boys admitted to being forced to perform anal intercourse. That’s a pretty large statistic in a society that often prides masculinity and a fear of male homosexuality. You see, what they are doing has to be sustainable. They do it day in and day out. If the children were not having 'fun' they would not be coming back for more, would they? [/b] Children are often regarded as children due to their lack of independence. In most cases, the pedophile is in a place that the children are brought to by their parents regularly or often their parents themselves. They have little choice in the matter and in the case of a family member, pastor, or any authority figure; it is inevitable that the child will at sometime end up alone with them. From this, there’s little doubt that a grown man or woman may easily overpower a child. Mental manipulation from these adults is often used in an extremely large amount of cases (“If you tell Mommy, the family will be broken up and everyone will hate you”). That’s like saying that women with abusive husbands would just leave if they didn’t like the situation and at least in this example, the woman is an adult with the ability, both financial and otherwise, to be independent. yes, once every so often some pervert actually harms a child. And then the Propaganda Mill (you included) paints every single occurrence with that same exaggerated and extreme brush. [/b] Once every so often? Sexual abuse is usually only defined as an adult having sexual relations with children and the list of negative symptoms with this simple definition is still staggering. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sexual_...use_on_children Now, I am only guessing, and I have no access to child pornography, but let me ask anybody who does -- are any of these children crying out in pain and humiliation? My guess is that they are having fun. [/b] You do of course realize that just about all pornography is staged, correct? This is similar to stating that since many women in pornography appear to show enjoyment with semen being shot straight towards their eyes, this is proof that such an act is a fantasy of around half the human species. It makes no sense. Besides, people need to wonder about where that arbitrary calendar line falls -- what day is it in a person's life when yesterday that sex would be an abomination worse than death, but tomorrow that sex would be a glorious self discovery and fulfillment? [/b] I already stated that I believe the line to be drawn at puberty, at the appearance of sexual desire and increased logical thought; that is far from arbitrary. It is at this time that a “pedophile” is no longer documented as a “pedophile” but instead an ephobophile. Marriage and sex between teenagers is something that was once not only common but until little over a century ago, the cultural norm. Indeed, my virgin, bachelor butt would be regarded as even more of a loser than I already am.

[Leo Volont]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.... Here is what we should do. We should take these children and brand them across their foreheads with the words "They have nothing to be ashamed of". And we can show them how healthy and beautiful sex is by taking the very first people who shared sex with them, and throw them into prison. Or maybe we should acknowledge that being vindictive and punative are our most important considerations, and then we should jump in and prosecute the children as adults. Nowadays, they punish children as adults for violent crimes. Why not for sexual crimes also. Come on, after all, any child older than 2 knows what being naughty is all about. And then we should also acknowledge that sex is never appropriate. If sex is so disgraceful for the young -- such a hideous abomination, then how could we ever possibly find any context where sex can ever be truly and completely rehabilitated. I suppose we must forgive sex only when it is engaged in for the sake of procreation, and in all other cases determine that it is bestial and disgraceful to any proper human dignity. And perhaps we should permanently institutionalize those whose innocence has been lost, as they will only corrupt the rest of us. Damaged goods are damaged goods.

[LunarMoon]

Or maybe we should acknowledge that being vindictive and punitive are our most important considerations, and then we should jump in and prosecute the children as adults. Nowadays, they punish children as adults for violent crimes. Why not for sexual crimes also? Come on, after all, any child older than 2 knows what being naughty is all about. [/b] Correction: They prosecute teenagers for violent crimes as adults and you already know how I feel about teenage sex. And then we should also acknowledge that sex is never appropriate. If sex is so disgraceful for the young -- such a hideous abomination, then how could we ever possibly find any context where sex can ever be truly and completely rehabilitated? I suppose we must forgive sex only when it is engaged in for the sake of procreation, and in all other cases determine that it is bestial and disgraceful to any proper human dignity.[/b] Now this is just silly; I already stated that sex is perfectly natural and indeed, in many cases necessary to keep a manner of sanity and ward off sexual frustration, unless partaken in by prepubescent children who by their very definition have no interest in sexual intercourse. At most, a child would only have interest in the pleasure aspect, which could be obtained perfectly fine through masturbation and indeed, commonly is. However, I’ve yet to hear too many six year-old boys saying that they want to, “bang that chick next door”.

[Chainsaw Kitten]

The hype about pedophelia is out of this world. People have this idea that only at the legally designated age one can ever make rational decisions and be mature. It's not as if on one's 16/18th or 21st birthday, exactly as the clock strikes midnight (of course depending on your timezone and country) rainbows of maturity will magically flow into your mind. No. I'm fifteen years old and my boyfriend is seven years older than I am. We're in a perfectly wonderful relationship, and the fact that he is older makes not the cent of a difference to me. He has never manipulated me into anything. Nobody has the right to dictate when I can make decisions, with the exception of my guardians. I'm a rational human being and I can sure as hell decide for myself what I wish to do. As soon as we hit puberty we become sexual beings. Some more than others, some earlier than others, but still. There is an obvious reason why we become mature. If one is sexually mature, indeed, what is the problem with having sex? And in any case, even if the law does ban sex under the legal age; people will still do it and people will easily get away with it. By making contraception unreachable to people under the legal age how will this solve any problems? Exactly the opposite; it will create them. Teenage pregnancies galore. I absolutely agree with Leo on this issue. The point is that these are all just ideas that society conjures. In many other societies (from now and from the past) relationships between mostly older men and younger women were not only accepted but encouraged.

[sasha]

Originally posted by Chainsaw Kitten I absolutely agree with Leo on this issue. The point is that these are all just ideas that society conjures. In many other societies (from now and from the past) relationships between mostly older men and younger women were not only accepted but encouraged. Do you really see your situation as the same thing as the molestation - uh, I mean "happy partying" - of a 5-year old by an adult? Leo, try doing some research before playing at amateur gadfly. Just guessing what children might experience makes you look like an idiot - a sick idiot. Think about how you might have guessed it all very wrong and just given comfort to pedophiles. And be careful about soliciting information about child pornography. Especially in the context of advocating the appropriateness of molestation of children, people might take your solicitation the wrong way, despite your public rejection of sex of any kind for anyone ever.

[Chainsaw Kitten]

Who mentioned five year olds? I'm not talking about fucking pre-pubescents. I'm talking about people who are sexual beings, if you'd care to read what I said.

[sasha]

Originally posted by Chainsaw Kitten Who mentioned five year olds? Leo makes it clear that he means "young children". Originally posted by Chainsaw Kitten I'm not talking about fucking pre-pubescents. I'm talking about people who are sexual beings, if you'd care to read what I said. I did read it, several times. You mentioned pedophilia, without noting any differences between different situations. Given that this thread has focused on "young children", you appeared to me to equate your situation to those. Hence my question about it. And I'll interpret your answer as "no" despite your following statement: Originally posted by Chainsaw Kitten I absolutely agree with Leo on this issue.

[Chainsaw Kitten]

Young can mean various things. I did not interpret him as only meaning pre-pubescents.

[wombing]

initiating sexual contact with pre-pubescents is pathetic... ten, eleven, and twelve year olds are usually highly sexual, despite what society tries to say. i've been asked by a co-worker's ten year old daughter to "kiss me...with tongue", with no interest or leading by myself whatsoever. my friend's nine year old brother and a neighborhood girl a few years older were found naked in the bushes at his house flopping around in the missionary position, though not intercoursing. another friend has told me he and a girl were separated in primary school because they were constantly exploring each other's pants. and on and on it goes i think the case is much more blurred after puberty. older cultures considered children adults at 12, 13, of 14...in hebrew culture, the criteria for declaring a girl ready for marriage and sex (often with a grown man) was for her to have her period twice (so that it couldn't have been an accident). truthfully, i used to feel like a pervert for being attracted to young girls who have gone through puberty and are sexually mature. i realize now this is unfounded guilt. it is only natural...it's not as if i would ever ply a 14 year old with rides around and drugs. it is possible to appreciate beauty without exploiting individuals who are children psychologically. again, culture has alot to do with it. most twenty year olds are more immature nowadays than ten year olds seem to have been in ancient cultures...life expectancy was shorter, and more was expected, and so people grew up quicker psychologically. yet there are still exceptions. chainsaw is a good example. she's 15 or 16 i believe, yet she is more mature than some ditzy twenty-two year olds who sleep around with those their own age. so i fully agree that it's no big deal that she's in her present relationship. seems adults initiating or cooperating in sexual contact with pre-pubescents are disgusting and pathetic however you look at it, and adults who take part in "throwing" parties are fucked in the head. adults initiating or cooperating in sexual contact with pubescents who are fully aware that the young person is immature psychologically and still a child, and are only exploiting them are desparate, pathetic, and pitiful individuals. adults involved in relationships (sexual or otherwise) with young teens who are psychologically on a mostly level playing field could be participating in a beautiful sitution which is only likely to be misunderstood by ouward appearances. meh, my two cents.

[wombing]

Originally posted by Chainsaw Kitten+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Chainsaw Kitten)</div> Young can mean various things. I did not interpret him as only meaning pre-pubescents.[/b] <!--QuoteBegin-LeoVolont In a society that laughs at any 20 year old virgin, what is really so bad about a ten year old Child of the World i know puberty is happening earlier due to unhealthy amounts of hormones which are transferred from eaten animals, but i am nt aware of too many ten year olds who are sexually mature...

[Distant Clone]

*hopes this does not blow out of proportion* The more I read this, the more it sounds like Leo is defending himself, that he's alright because he survived the abuse, and look at the life he leads now. That would explain his sometimes abusive demeanor towards other forum(s) users. That's what happens when abuse occurs, the victim becomes the victimizer. All the "sexual youths" are sexual because someone got to them and tainted their innocence. That is exemplified by wombing's story of the nine and ten year olds coming on to him. My point is that when something traumatic happens there are observable effects. Like when dad is no longer available, his daughter will go for an older guy, as is the case with Chainsaw Kitten. Is it good or bad? Well, I think that everything is ultimately good. The problem is that people don't recognize the blessings in disguise so quickly, if at all. I know my upbringing was not the greatest, and after quite a bit of struggling, I have learned to stay afloat. I found the good in it, but it was not such a trivial task. It took years, and I still have issues to work through. By the way, Chainsaw Kitten, I realize you have your own view, but look at you through your boyfriend's eyes. He should be done with college by now, and you should be a year or two into high school. Don't you see the drastic difference of where you are in life? What are you going to do when you graduate college? Will you go back and dip into the high school crowd and find a 15 year old boy to drive around town? You do have the right to make you own decisions, but that does not guarantee they will be healthy ones. Further, I don't think puberty is the measuring stick we should use. Sure, it means their physically ready, but a relationship should involve complicated emotions. Most teenagers are not capable of managing them.

[wombing]

All the "sexual youths" are sexual because someone got to them and tainted their innocence. That is exemplified by wombing's story of the nine and ten year olds coming on to him. [/b] actually, that story almost certainly does not exemplify that at all. i have known the girl's father for years, adn worked with him for two. it is highly unlikely she has been exposed to adult sexuality through anything but innuendo at school, or perhaps a snuck movie at a friend's house. i believe it was simply a girl testing her fledgling sexuality by trying to initate something she likely heard about at school. "innocence" is simply: artlessness: the quality of innocent naivete purity: the state of being unsullied by sin or moral wrong; lacking a knowledge of evil a state or condition of being innocent of a specific crime or offense; "the trial established his innocence" the point of my initial post was that children are innocent and often sexual at the same time. and sexual exploration between two individuals of roughly the same psychological development is not "wrong", precisely because both parties are innocent. to say that children are not sexual is absurd. to say that they are innocent when it comes to sexuality is true. there are only two ways children can learn the "art of sex", and thus lose their innocence (artlessness and purity). 1. culture 2. experience adults create the culture in which children live. if an adult has sexual contact with an innocent child, they forever shape that child's conception of sexuality according to their own subjective ideas. i think any caring person will agree that only sick, lonely, pathetic people would take advantage of such easy targets as children. in these cases i agree with you distantclone, in that "victims become victimizers"... a very close friend of mine confided that he was sexually exploited as a young boy, and that as a result he himself exploited his younger brother before he realized the psychological harm that had been done to both of them. he learned a harmful sexuality from cultural influences, and thus perpetuated it, thinking it normal. yet if he and another innocent child had "played doctor" at the same age, it is highly unlikely he would have been psychologically tramatized and become a drug addict. -------- culture tells children what it is acceptable to experience, and what it is not. IMO, we should not be making prepubescents feel dirty and wierd if we catch them innocently exploring. but we should also make sure adults do not try to perpetuate a harmful art of sexuality which they were likely taught as innocent children themselves.

[Chainsaw Kitten]

Originally posted by Distant Clone *hopes this does not blow out of proportion* My point is that when something traumatic happens there are observable effects. Like when dad is no longer available, his daughter will go for an older guy, as is the case with Chainsaw Kitten. What the fuck are you talking about? My dad and I have great relationship in the family. You know nothing about it, so how dare you make such uneducated claims. By the way, Chainsaw Kitten, I realize you have your own view, but look at you through your boyfriend's eyes. He should be done with college by now, and you should be a year or two into high school. Don't you see the drastic difference of where you are in life? What are you going to do when you graduate college? Will you go back and dip into the high school crowd and find a 15 year old boy to drive around town? You do have the right to make you own decisions, but that does not guarantee they will be healthy ones. [/b] Not only is this a provoking and insulting quote, but it's completely untrue. My parents have eleven years of difference between them. When I'm older, and out of college, who says that we won't easily be able to be together? Even now I've skipped a grade and probably will once more, making us even closer in our "drastic difference" of where we are in life. For one thing, it's a bit of variation instead of us both having the exact same things to cope with. He's been through what I'm going through and he can help me through this time, which you cannot say is a bad thing in the least. What kind of argument is it anyway that I'd go for a younger kid later on in life? If you're going to present arguments, back them up.

[Patrick]

It's not as if on one's 16/18th or 21st birthday, exactly as the clock strikes midnight (of course depending on your timezone and country)[/b] Actually, time zone wouldn't come into play in this case. Everyone becomes a year older after midnight according to the timezone in their country. rainbows of maturity will magically flow into your mind. No.[/b] Exactly! For me it was a flash of blinding green light followed by pixies coating me with icing sugar. In many other societies (from now and from the past) relationships between mostly older men and younger women were not only accepted but encouraged.[/b] You've got it all wrong. We are talking about pedophilia, not age differences in adult couples. fucking pre-pubescents[/b] NOW you've got it. Even now I've skipped a grade and probably will once more[/b] Modest as ever I see. He's been through what I'm going through[/b] What's that... puberty? What kind of argument is it anyway that I'd go for a younger kid later on in life? If you're going to present arguments, back them up.[/b] I think Distant Clone was making a valid point there. It wasn't an accusation or suggestion, just an attempt to make you see the situation through your boyfriend's eyes.

[Unicorn]

I say pedophilia is a modern issue. Not long ago, it wasn't unusual to see married 14 yrs old girls. And it's still very common in some countries. Going out with a 17 yrs old is, by law, considered a pedophilic act, while as soon as the same girl reaches 18, she can legally star in a porn movie and be pumped in her 3 holes. How ironic!

[Distant Clone]

Originally posted by Chainsaw Kitten+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Chainsaw Kitten)</div> What the fuck are you talking about? My dad and I have great relationship in the family. You know nothing about it, so how dare you make such uneducated claims.[/b] I meant that it can be a cause, not that it is the cause. I should not have ran it all into once sentence though, making it unclear. Sorry for any confusion. Originally posted by Chainsaw Kitten@ My parents have eleven years of difference between them That's a better reason, I think, why you would be attracted to an older person. Believe me, I started turning into my dad, and I really did not like where I was headed. I was continuously miserable, and unable to communicate. Ever since I was born, my dad worked first shift, my mom worked third shift. My dad was anti-social, his only friends were one or two neighbors, and my mom slept during the day, and did not really maintan friends. Those completely reflected on me, and I really had trouble socializing. It was inconceivable to me how people could just so easily express themselves to another. <!--QuoteBegin-Chainsaw Kitten What kind of argument is it anyway that I'd go for a younger kid later on in life? If you're going to present arguments, back them up. It's not an argument at all, just food for thought. I am a 22 year old male, like your boyfriend. I am left completely uncomfortable even thinking about courting a fifteen year old. Of course, I did not mature until really late, if I have at all, so I think everyone else is less mature than they actually are. That's why I'm really bad about guessing ages. There are times when the situation you are in can work out, and in this case it probably will. I am just saying it's not always a recipe for success. No situation is strictly right or wrong, but how the situation is handled depends if it's healthy or not.

[Inverting_world_lines]

Going out with a 17 yrs old is, by law, considered a pedophilic act, while as soon as the same girl reaches 18, she can legally star in a porn movie and be pumped in her 3 holes. How ironic! Neutral[/b] Here are the criteria that wikipedia (lol) gives for pedophilia. * Over a period of at least 6 months, recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 years or younger). * The person has acted on these urges, or the sexual urges or fantasies cause marked distress or interpersonal difficulty. * The person is at least age 16 years and at least 5 years older than the child or children in Criterion A. Note: Do not include an individual in late adolescence involved in an ongoing sexual relationship with a 12 or 13-year-old. So there are some variations to the exact ages of the children involved in these acts. I think generally it would depend on the individuals rather than a specific age, as levels of maturity can vary in children of the same age. Sexual acts with children have different classifications, but of course the law has to draw the line somewhere. I just thought I'd mention these criteria so we'd have the technical definition of what is considered pedophilia. If you ask me, it's kind of confusing.

[Unicorn]

Originally posted by Inverting_world_lines I think generally it would depend on the individuals rather than a specific age, as levels of maturity can vary in children of the same age. [...] but of course the law has to draw the line somewhere. Since there's no way you can objectively measure the maturity of an individual, the law does have to draw the line somewhere, regardless of the actual maturity of the person. And this has, as with most laws, some major drawback (i.e. some 19 yrs old clearly immature and clueless girl being gangbanged in some movie).

[Chainsaw Kitten]

It's not an argument at all, just food for thought. I am a 22 year old male, like your boyfriend. I am left completely uncomfortable even thinking about courting a fifteen year old. Of course, I did not mature until really late, if I have at all, so I think everyone else is less mature than they actually are. That's why I'm really bad about guessing ages. [/b] And that's why you're perfectly content with having erotic dreams about Courtney, who is my age aswell? I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but don't contradict yourself. Sure my kind of relationship is fairly uncommon and it may not work for most, but the point is, for me it does. And even if only a few are exceptions you have to take them into account.

[Chainsaw Kitten]

Originally posted by Pensive Patrick It's not as if on one's 16/18th or 21st birthday, exactly as the clock strikes midnight (of course depending on your timezone and country) Actually, time zone wouldn't come into play in this case. Everyone becomes a year older after midnight according to the timezone in their country. rainbows of maturity will magically flow into your mind. No.[/b] Exactly! For me it was a flash of blinding green light followed by pixies coating me with icing sugar. In many other societies (from now and from the past) relationships between mostly older men and younger women were not only accepted but encouraged.[/b] You've got it all wrong. We are talking about pedophilia, not age differences in adult couples. fucking pre-pubescents[/b] NOW you've got it. Even now I've skipped a grade and probably will once more[/b] Modest as ever I see. He's been through what I'm going through[/b] What's that... puberty? What kind of argument is it anyway that I'd go for a younger kid later on in life? If you're going to present arguments, back them up.[/b] I think Distant Clone was making a valid point there. It wasn't an accusation or suggestion, just an attempt to make you see the situation through your boyfriend's eyes.[/b] And you're just not contributing at all. Shut up.

[Patrick]

Originally posted by Chainsaw Kitten And you're just not contributing at all. Shut up. Actually, I did contribute in that last paragraph. And that's why you're perfectly content with having erotic dreams about Courtney, who is my age aswell? I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but don't contradict yourself. [/b] Well actually he said 'courting' a 15 year old, which is quite different from having erotic dreams.

[Inverting_world_lines]

ooh And as if it matters, I don't think 22 year old males were designed to have nonsexual relationships. Someone want to maybe salvage the thread, or should we start a new one about teen love?