Thread: Was Sandy Hook a Hoax?

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

The Bushmaster rifle. Both the medical examiner and a CT statie confirm this.

Was the Bushmaster rifle found in the school? According to the video, only hand guns were found in the school. If the video is wrong about that and there is evidence to confirm it, then that's one hole in the video.

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

As with before, I won't insult you by explaining what an argument from incredulity looks like.

I have said several times that it is not proof. It is definitely a really weird, eyebrow raising situation. Did you watch the other video I posted? If you will watch even a few minutes of it, especially the teacher's family, you will see something very bizarre.

Keep in mind that I am not convinced that Sandy Hook was a hoax. If I were, I would not have titled this thread with a question.

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

They could've been created for any reason. They could've been pages for Star Trek fan fiction for all I know. As for why their purpose changed, well, it was a horrific event. Page owners often turn their pages into springboards for donations, activism, etc.

I wonder why the other cause/identity lasted only two days on Facebook. I wonder how the parent found out there was an available page and got ownership of it instead of just starting from scratch. Creating a Facebook page from scratch can be done in a matter of minutes. I wouldn't know how to find a Facebook page where the owner is saying, "Hey, take this page. We don't need it... after two days." More strangeness.

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

Did you bother to read the post directly adjacent to the one stating the school is still in lockdown? The page was set up by friends of the Parker's, not the Parker's themselves. The post mentioning the lockdown also apologizes for the misinformation given earlier regarding the loss of Emilie Parker. Tense, horrible situation with information scattered all over the place, with nobody sure what exactly was happening...is accidental false reporting such an unreasonable explanation?

A Facebook dedication page was set up for a dead student while the school was still in lockdown? People hear that a school has been taken over by at least one gunman, and people in the town react by immediately hitting Facebook and doing dedications to children who had reportedly just been murdered, and one of them hadn't even really been murdered? Do you see anything off the wall about that? It is very difficult for me to see that happening in real life. I would be glued to the television or the radio to find out what is going to happen next at my town's elementary school during such a crisis. It wouldn't be Facebook dedication time. I don't come within a million miles of relating to that madness.

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

To be honest I haven't watched the video, but a lot of its claims (which you've laid out) are similar to other hypotheses brought up by hoaxers.

I have a history of scoffing at conspiracy videos, but this is some of the weirdest shit I have ever seen. You really should watch the video. The way the people of the town act in it is very surreal because it just seems so unreal, but it's on the news. The facts are insane, and so is the behavior.

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

The same way John King messed up. It happens all the time with situations like these.

Then the reporter is lying, she had a very detailed false memory of a conversation she just had, she talked to a school nurse who told a whopper about a tragedy that just happened at the elementary school where she works, or some freak claimed to be the school nurse but wasn't. Is there a fifth alternative?

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

A thirty minute travel for me is roughly from my house to just north of Boston with light traffic. I'll have you know that Boston seems like a world away.

I live about twenty minutes from the Jackson city limits, but the city line is so close that the name of the metro area where I live is Jackson. It doesn't seem far at all. I could bike into the city in no time.

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

I looked up whether MEMA is having any training courses. There are three in my city this month. I'll let you know if anything tragic happens. Though I doubt anything will, as there were four in March and for some reason I can't recall any major violent incidents occurring.

That's 1 every 10 days, and you live in Boston, where a terrorist attack just occurred, not Newton, Connecticut.

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

The girl with Obama was the younger sister.

I did more research on that. There were three sisters. Emilie was the oldest, and she was the alleged victim. The girl standing right in front of Obama in the picture looks identical to Emilie and is wearing her outfit. The other blonde headed girl is Emilie's sister who, I think, is the identical twin of the other surviving sister. Emilie was considerably older than the other two and had much longer hair. The other two girls had hair of the same length.

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

No videos, but lots of articles.. Stories have been clarified, and there is a lot of emphasis on the media simply fucking up their reporting because, well, they're competing to be the "first to know." Other hoax hypotheses are simply nonsense, fueled by paranoia. It's no wonder why people who believe in one conspiracy theory are more likely to believe in others.

I don't "believe" any of them. There is just crazy stuff that still hasn't been explained. For debunking the conspiracy theory, this video is about the best I have found so far, and it leaves many holes.



It does explain the man who ran away from the school. He was supposedly looking for his daughter after he found out that she got away from the school. The Gene Rosen situation, the Emilie Parker situation, and the bizarre acting of family members of victims still leave huge question marks.

The Emilie Parker mystery is presented very well on this page:

http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-con...r-2558804.html

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Was the Bushmaster rifle found in the school? According to the video, only hand guns were found in the school. If the video is wrong about that and there is evidence to confirm it, then that's one hole in the video.

Click the links in my previous response. The video is wrong if it's claiming only handguns were found in the school. Lanza killed himself inside the school and the weapons (a rifle and two handguns) were found near his body.

I have said several times that it is not proof. It is definitely a really weird, eyebrow raising situation. Did you watch the other video I posted? If you will watch even a few minutes of it, especially the teacher's family, you will see something very bizarre.

Keep in mind that I am not convinced that Sandy Hook was a hoax. If I were, I would not have titled this thread with a question.

I've seen videos of these "actors" before. Bizarre, sure. I don't think I'd react that way. But I haven't actually lost any children, or given any nationally broadcasted press conferences/interviews shortly afterwards. That is really all you can say for them: their responses are odd. But so are most human responses to traumatic experiences. A jeep crashed into my school bus one day in 7th grade. The driver (of the jeep) jumped out and started laughing hysterically (no, he wasn't drunk, on drugs, or mentally deranged). Bizarre? Absolutely. An indication that he was an actor, paid to crash into a school bus? Very unlikely.

Also, science is not on the side of the hoaxers.

In one example of his work, Bonanno and his colleague Dachner Keltner analyzed facial expressions of people who had lost loved ones recently. The videos bore no hint of any permanent sorrow that needed extirpation. As expected, the videos revealed sadness but also anger and happiness. Time and again, a grief-stricken person's expression would change from dejection to laughter and back. ... The same oscillation between sadness and mirth repeated itself in study after study.

I wonder why the other cause/identity lasted only two days on Facebook. I wonder how the parent found out there was an available page and got ownership of it instead of just starting from scratch. Creating a Facebook page from scratch can be done in a matter of minutes. I wouldn't know how to find a Facebook page where the owner is saying, "Hey, take this page. We don't need it... after two days." More strangeness.

Sandy Hook Hoax: Were Websites And Facebook Groups Published Before The Massacre? -- I'm thinking Occam's Razor has you beat here.

A Facebook dedication page was set up for a dead student while the school was still in lockdown? People hear that a school has been taken over by at least one gunman, and people in the town react by immediately hitting Facebook and doing dedications to children who had reportedly just been murdered, and one of them hadn't even really been murdered? Do you see anything off the wall about that? It is very difficult for me to see that happening in real life. I would be glued to the television or the radio to find out what is going to happen next at my town's elementary school during such a crisis. It wouldn't be Facebook dedication time. I don't come within a million miles of relating to that madness.

Off the wall? Not at all. Did you frequent Twitter or FB immediately (minutes) after the Boston Marathon bombing? Pray for Boston pages were popping up left and right, #BostonStrong (or some similar hashtag) were trending. People don't waste time in empathizing with tragedies on the internet. Besides, the kind of people causing a frenzy on the internet about these tragedies are the kind of people that get their news off the internet. All of my news about Boston came from Twitter. Sure, I had CNN on my TV in the background, but a police scanner and Twitter were all I needed.

What you need to realize is that with events like these, ANY information is immediately posted. Literally, any factoid gets published to Twitter and Facebook whether it's actually a fact, or just a rumor, or something marginally related to the actual event. People soak that shit up. With Boston, for at least 5 minutes, everybody thought the younger suspect was actually the missing Brown University student (his body eventually turned up in a river or something). So no, nothing off the wall for me.

Then the reporter is lying, she had a very detailed false memory of a conversation she just had, she talked to a school nurse who told a whopper about a tragedy that just happened at the elementary school where she works, or some freak claimed to be the school nurse but wasn't. Is there a fifth alternative?

Would you make the same claims for somebody like John King? He was allegedly running off a very good source, but ended up being completely wrong. Bad reporting happens all the time.

It was being widely reported (erroneously, first by LEO's I think) that Lanza was the son of a kindergarten teacher, but that was cleared up shortly after. It is entirely likely that the reporter went off of that false information. Again, Occam's Razor has you beat.

I live about twenty minutes from the Jackson city limits, but the city line is so close that the name of the metro area where I live is Jackson. It doesn't seem far at all. I could bike into the city in no time.

At any rate, my point is that saying a training course being held "right by" the school on the day of the shooting when in fact they were occurring 20 miles away is an unnecessary exaggeration.

That's 1 every 10 days, and you live in Boston, where a terrorist attack just occurred, not Newton, Connecticut.

No, I don't live in Boston. And all three courses are offered in a single week on simultaneous days.

I did more research on that. There were three sisters. Emilie was the oldest, and she was the alleged victim. The girl standing right in front of Obama in the picture looks identical to Emilie and is wearing her outfit. The other blonde headed girl is Emilie's sister who, I think, is the identical twin of the other surviving sister. Emilie was considerably older than the other two and had much longer hair. The other two girls had hair of the same length.

That, and:

04SamMadObama.jpg

Edit - Was fooling around with picture comparisons. Not sure how to remove the attached thumbnail.

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

Click the links in my previous response. The video is wrong if it's claiming only handguns were found in the school. Lanza killed himself inside the school and the weapons (a rifle and two handguns) were found near his body.

That is the story now. It was not the original story. Apparently it's what the official police report says.

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

I've seen videos of these "actors" before. Bizarre, sure. I don't think I'd react that way. But I haven't actually lost any children, or given any nationally broadcasted press conferences/interviews shortly afterwards. That is really all you can say for them: their responses are odd. But so are most human responses to traumatic experiences. A jeep crashed into my school bus one day in 7th grade. The driver (of the jeep) jumped out and started laughing hysterically (no, he wasn't drunk, on drugs, or mentally deranged). Bizarre? Absolutely. An indication that he was an actor, paid to crash into a school bus? Very unlikely.

I don't take any one of the people's behavior and say that obviously that individual wasn't upset, though I question it. I'll say the behavior is strange, but I understand that grief can take people in all kinds of possible directions. I have been to funerals where I balled my eyes out, but I have also been in complete shock and shown no emotion. I have also felt a strange need to be strong for the family and turn into a cheerful socialite. What is really tripping me out about "The Sandy Hook Actors" is that it is 45 minutes of no tears or the typical way of acting severely upset. I looked again and might have seen a tear and slightly watery eyes on one of the Soto girls, but that's it. The rest is WTF. That's not because of any one instance. It's because it involves crazy probability. If somebody wins at Bingo, it's not shocking. If somebody wins at Bingo every round the entire night, that's insane and suspicious. It still doesn't prove cheating, but it's a big red flag.

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

Sandy Hook Hoax: Were Websites And Facebook Groups Published Before The Massacre? -- I'm thinking Occam's Razor has you beat here.

That can happen apparently, but I have never seen it or heard of it from anybody I know. I have had four Facebook accounts, and I changed my name on one of them. I deleted one a while back and unknowingly had an alias one created for me by a prankster friend two years ago. That's my main account now. I have another one I use just for comedy and another one I use to debate politics without torturing my main account friends with it. I have never had an issue with the dates. It's possible that it happened with the Soto account.

By the way, the Soto family was one of the interviewed families in the video. There are videos and web articles about how the Sotos are connected to the Rockefellers and the Greenbergs and their supposed ring of recurring crisis actors, but that's a whole different issue. I don't put much stock into that one.

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

Off the wall? Not at all. Did you frequent Twitter or FB immediately (minutes) after the Boston Marathon bombing? Pray for Boston pages were popping up left and right, #BostonStrong (or some similar hashtag) were trending. People don't waste time in empathizing with tragedies on the internet. Besides, the kind of people causing a frenzy on the internet about these tragedies are the kind of people that get their news off the internet. All of my news about Boston came from Twitter. Sure, I had CNN on my TV in the background, but a police scanner and Twitter were all I needed.

Were people closely connected to the Boston victims creating pages about dead ones while there was an issue about whether they were still alive?

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

Would you make the same claims for somebody like John King? He was allegedly running off a very good source, but ended up being completely wrong. Bad reporting happens all the time.

It was being widely reported (erroneously, first by LEO's I think) that Lanza was the son of a kindergarten teacher, but that was cleared up shortly after. It is entirely likely that the reporter went off of that false information. Again, Occam's Razor has you beat.

What went wrong with John King's source? I am talking about a reporter who said she talked to the school nurse herself. What might have gone wrong there? It wasn't a situation where something went wrong with a grape vine of news people. Either the school nurse or the reporter was lying or delusional. Do you see any way around that?

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

At any rate, my point is that saying a training course being held "right by" the school on the day of the shooting when in fact they were occurring 20 miles away is an unnecessary exaggeration.

That's very close, close enough to be suburbs of the same city.

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

No, I don't live in Boston. And all three courses are offered in a single week on simultaneous days.

You said you live just north of Boston. That sounds like Boston metro area. What did you mean by "just north?"

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

That, and:

04SamMadObama.jpg

Edit - Was fooling around with picture comparisons. Not sure how to remove the attached thumbnail.

That might explain it. It's the best I have seen. The 2012 Madeline and 2010 Emilie look alike to me, and I don't understand why the other sister didn't seem older in the Obama picture, but I'm not that good with faces. If it is Madeline in the Obama picture, the identical hair and outfit (except for a red design on the shirt), when they look so much alike any way, really makes things eerie. But it's possible that it's Madeline in the Obama picture.


I should mention that I never dreamed I would be arguing for the possibility of a government conspiracy on this site while outnumbered. If the 2006 - 2008 bunch knew about this, they would be in shock.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

That is the story now. It was not the original story. Apparently it's what the official police report says.

You have to expect the story to change a few times as the events unfold. Which is more likely, that the story changed because of cover-ups, or because of the media's ongoing competition to report any bit of news before anyone else, which inevitably leads to a drop in the quality/truth of the information? The former requires a lot of extra assumptions.

I don't take any one of the people's behavior and say that obviously that individual wasn't upset, though I question it. I'll say the behavior is strange, but I understand that grief can take people in all kinds of possible directions. I have been to funerals where I balled my eyes out, but I have also been in complete shock and shown no emotion. I have also felt a strange need to be strong for the family and turn into a cheerful socialite. What is really tripping me out about "The Sandy Hook Actors" is that it is 45 minutes of no tears or the typical way of acting severely upset. I looked again and might have seen a tear and slightly watery eyes on one of the Soto girls, but that's it. The rest is WTF. That's not because of any one instance. It's because it involves crazy probability. If somebody wins at Bingo, it's not shocking. If somebody wins at Bingo every round the entire night, that's insane and suspicious. It still doesn't prove cheating, but it's a big red flag.

Look over that paper I linked. Humans don't always turn into fully melancholic robots when suffering a loss. Reactions to grief vary from person to person. I really have nothing else to say.

Were people closely connected to the Boston victims creating pages about dead ones while there was an issue about whether they were still alive?

I think the difference between the Boston Marathon and Sandy Hook is this: should something go wrong at Sandy Hook, which is an enclosed building, relatives of students and faculty would have a clear concern since they know for a fact that their family members work there and are likely inside the building with the shooter. The marathon, on the other hand, took place outside albeit along a specified route.

I'd wager it's easier to escape the scene of an outdoor bombing and inform your family that you're alive and well than it is to escape a building where a murderer is running around and do the same. People hid in closets and under desks at Sandy Hook. People ran down the street in Boston. Who do you think had the ability to contact their family?

You might ask what my point is. Well, if your family members are stuck in closets or under desks in a building with a gunman on the loose, do you think concrete information is going to come easily?

What went wrong with John King's source? I am talking about a reporter who said she talked to the school nurse herself. What might have gone wrong there? It wasn't a situation where something went wrong with a grape vine of news people. Either the school nurse or the reporter was lying or delusional. Do you see any way around that?

I don't know how his source fucked up, but he most certainly did. King reported that a suspect had been identified and arrested well before the FBI released decent pictures. And it was before Tamerlan and Dzhokhar decided to go buckwild in Watertown.

The issue with the reporter is that no matter what she said, nobody else is supporting it. Adam Lanza's mother had nothing to do with Sandy Hook. If you watch the full version of Andrea McCarren's report, she also says the teacher shot in a classroom was the shooter's mother. She wasn't. See how the whole bad reporting thing works?

The whole back and forth conversation between the anchor and the reporter operates under the assumption that Lanza's mother was a kindergarten teacher. She wasn't - the report took place the day of the shooting, before specific relations between Lanza and the victims were officially established (or debunked). It's entirely plausible (and likely) that Sally Cox also operated under the assumption if/when she talked to that reporter.

That's very close, close enough to be suburbs of the same city.

We'll have to agree to disagree. "Right by" makes it seem like the place was right up the street IMO.

You said you live just north of Boston. That sounds like Boston metro area. What did you mean by "just north?"

No, I said:

A thirty minute travel for me is roughly from my house to just north of Boston with light traffic. I'll have you know that Boston seems like a world away.

That might explain it. It's the best I have seen. The 2012 Madeline and 2010 Emilie look alike to me, and I don't understand why the other sister didn't seem older in the Obama picture, but I'm not that good with faces. If it is Madeline in the Obama picture, the identical hair and outfit (except for a red design on the shirt), when they look so much alike any way, really makes things eerie. But it's possible that it's Madeline in the Obama picture.

Of course they look alike. They were sisters, with only two years separating them.

I should mention that I never dreamed I would be arguing for the possibility of a government conspiracy on this site while outnumbered. If the 2006 - 2008 bunch knew about this, they would be in shock.

Did you hit your head recently?

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

You have to expect the story to change a few times as the events unfold. Which is more likely, that the story changed because of cover-ups, or because of the media's ongoing competition to report any bit of news before anyone else, which inevitably leads to a drop in the quality/truth of the information? The former requires a lot of extra assumptions.

The media mistake is more likely, but I can't just declare it the explanation. The type of gun used in the situation and the shooter's mother's job were both reported to be told to the news agencies directly by people who would know. Are "a couple of federal officials" credible sources on what kind of gun was used? Do they ordinarily talk out of their asses about things like this?

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

Look over that paper I linked. Humans don't always turn into fully melancholic robots when suffering a loss. Reactions to grief vary from person to person. I really have nothing else to say.

I know. I have agreed with you on that several times now. You are not addressing my point about the probability of EVERYBODY reacting in non-tearful ways. Do you understand my point on that?

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

I think the difference between the Boston Marathon and Sandy Hook is this: should something go wrong at Sandy Hook, which is an enclosed building, relatives of students and faculty would have a clear concern since they know for a fact that their family members work there and are likely inside the building with the shooter. The marathon, on the other hand, took place outside albeit along a specified route.

I'd wager it's easier to escape the scene of an outdoor bombing and inform your family that you're alive and well than it is to escape a building where a murderer is running around and do the same. People hid in closets and under desks at Sandy Hook. People ran down the street in Boston. Who do you think had the ability to contact their family?

You might ask what my point is. Well, if your family members are stuck in closets or under desks in a building with a gunman on the loose, do you think concrete information is going to come easily?

I think information that the kids are still in the school after a mass shooting just happened would come very easily.

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

I don't know how his source fucked up, but he most certainly did. King reported that a suspect had been identified and arrested well before the FBI released decent pictures. And it was before Tamerlan and Dzhokhar decided to go buckwild in Watertown.

The issue with the reporter is that no matter what she said, nobody else is supporting it. Adam Lanza's mother had nothing to do with Sandy Hook. If you watch the full version of Andrea McCarren's report, she also says the teacher shot in a classroom was the shooter's mother. She wasn't. See how the whole bad reporting thing works?

The whole back and forth conversation between the anchor and the reporter operates under the assumption that Lanza's mother was a kindergarten teacher. She wasn't - the report took place the day of the shooting, before specific relations between Lanza and the victims were officially established (or debunked). It's entirely plausible (and likely) that Sally Cox also operated under the assumption if/when she talked to that reporter.

It wasn't a big school. I have taught at much bigger schools, and by the first December, I knew the names of 100% of the people working there. The school nurse knows all of the teachers, or at least what their names are.

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

Of course they look alike. They were sisters, with only two years separating them.

They could pass for identical twins with the same hair part and same outfit. Rod Serling could present that scenario and get good ratings.

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

Did you hit your head recently?

This conspiracy theory is much more supported than other ones. Also, the fact that we have a presidential administration that has been caught living in my phone and my computer and sicking the IRS on political dissenters makes me not trust them a whole lot, to put it mildly.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

The media mistake is more likely, but I can't just declare it the explanation. The type of gun used in the situation and the shooter's mother's job were both reported to be told to the news agencies directly by people who would know. Are "a couple of federal officials" credible sources on what kind of gun was used? Do they ordinarily talk out of their asses about things like this?

Isn't it nice how Pete prefaces his report with a statement about how it's a complex situation with a lot of contradictory information going around? It foreshadows not only the coming quality of his report, but succinctly describes the quality of most reporting done in similar events.

We can look at the owner of the store who sold the weapons to Lanza's mother.

Or the official CTSP report.

Or the medical examiner's report of how the victims died.

I know. I have agreed with you on that several times now. You are not addressing my point about the probability of EVERYBODY reacting in non-tearful ways. Do you understand my point on that?

26 people were killed. Did every immediate family member appear on television? It'd be a large group.

I think information that the kids are still in the school after a mass shooting just happened would come very easily.

Still in the school, maybe. But alive? Dead? Shot? Unharmed? Unlikely.

It wasn't a big school. I have taught at much bigger schools, and by the first December, I knew the names of 100% of the people working there. The school nurse knows all of the teachers, or at least what their names are.

Did Andrea McCarren mention a name to Sally Cox? All decent reports I find say no.

They could pass for identical twins with the same hair part and same outfit. Rod Serling could present that scenario and get good ratings.

I'm interested in what's probable, not possible.

This conspiracy theory is much more supported than other ones. Also, the fact that we have a presidential administration that has been caught living in my phone and my computer and sicking the IRS on political dissenters makes me not trust them a whole lot, to put it mildly.

Don't let your mistrust of the government (or this administration specifically) cloud your judgment. This hypothesis has as much evidence behind it as the anti-vaxxers do, or the 9/11 truthers, or the Obama Birthers.

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

Isn't it nice how Pete prefaces his report with a statement about how it's a complex situation with a lot of contradictory information going around? It foreshadows not only the coming quality of his report, but succinctly describes the quality of most reporting done in similar events.

They were definitely in some kind of clusterfuck situation.

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

We can look at the owner of the store who sold the weapons to Lanza's mother.

Or the official CTSP report.

Or the medical examiner's report of how the victims died.

Okay, there are reports and witnesses. We already knew that. Can you find any video of what went on at the school with frantic parents, kids, employees, and EMS all over the place?

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

26 people were killed. Did every immediate family member appear on television? It'd be a large group.

No, but we still have lots of immediate family members speaking in a three part documentary.

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

Still in the school, maybe. But alive? Dead? Shot? Unharmed? Unlikely.

Under lockdown? Definitely. Not yet determined who is alive, dead, injured, or okay? Definitely.

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

Did Andrea McCarren mention a name to Sally Cox? All decent reports I find say no.

According to Andrea McCarren, Sally Cox reported the identity of "shooter's mother" to Andrea McCarren. I still don't understand how that could get fucked up.

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

I'm interested in what's probable, not possible.

Considering the rest of the Twiligh Zone mystery, I am interested in both. Either Emilie or her body double is in that picture.

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

Don't let your mistrust of the government (or this administration specifically) cloud your judgment. This hypothesis has as much evidence behind it as the anti-vaxxers do, or the 9/11 truthers, or the Obama Birthers.

I agree that I should be as objective as possible, but I think this conspiracy theory has a ton more evidence and unanswered questions.