Thread: The Erosion of Civil Liberty in America

The Alex Jones Show: (1st HOUR-VIDEO Commercial Free) Thursday August 15 2013: News/MSNBC Attack - YouTube

I think some things have been happening recently that might show that a turn around is happening. The public is so outraged about the NSA and IRS scandals that the push toward much smaller government has gotten strong enough to make Rand Paul the leading Republican prospect for a 2016 candidate. Rand is not as libertarian as Ron, but the fact that Republicans are now having to speak libertarian views to get somewhere is a great sign. Even Sarah Palin is publicly expressing support for Rand Paul. When the public gets loud enough, things start to change because we do still run the place. We've just been some apathetic managers for too long. Also, we have this awesome milestone:

Ron Paul Channel First (FULL) Episode Interviews Glenn Greenwald - August 12, 2013 | Peace . Gold . Liberty

If it ever becomes a cable/satellite network, we just might have it made.

NSA Broke Privacy Rules Thousands of Times, Contrary to Official Claims | Threat Level | Wired.com

Under fire, U.S. spy agency defends surveillance programs as lawful | Reuters

Cops Can Track Cellphones Without Warrants, Appeals Court Rules | Threat Level | Wired.com

Lawmakers Who Upheld NSA Phone Spying Received Double the Defense Industry Cash | Threat Level | Wired.com

Off-Duty Indiana Firefighter Handcuffed, Threatened with Stun Gun for Waving at Cop | Alternet

*sigh*

And people wonder why so many citizens in this nation have a problem with cops. Anybody want to try to argue that this wasn't blatant racial profiling? Anyone?

Originally Posted by Oneironaut Zero

Off-Duty Indiana Firefighter Handcuffed, Threatened with Stun Gun for Waving at Cop | Alternet

*sigh*

And people wonder why so many citizens in this nation have a problem with cops. Anybody want to try to argue that this wasn't blatant racial profiling? Anyone?

I bet they thought he was throwing up gang signs when he tried to wave "Hello."

Originally Posted by GavinGill

I bet they thought he was throwing up gang signs when he tried to wave "Hello."

Yeah. Or something like a "Wsup, Pigs?! COME GET SOME!" type of gesture.

About cops; The Alex Jones Show: (1st HOUR-VIDEO Commercial Free) Thursday August 29 2013: News - YouTube
2nd hour http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41gYq9iCusQ

Originally Posted by Oneironaut Zero

NSA Broke Privacy Rules Thousands of Times, Contrary to Official Claims | Threat Level | Wired.com

Under fire, U.S. spy agency defends surveillance programs as lawful | Reuters

Cops Can Track Cellphones Without Warrants, Appeals Court Rules | Threat Level | Wired.com

Lawmakers Who Upheld NSA Phone Spying Received Double the Defense Industry Cash | Threat Level | Wired.com

My God, that is just a flat out Bilitzkrieg against the Bill of Rights. I know those politicians are laughing about how apathetic and clueless so much of the public is now.

Lets just say that something comes along that almost every American citizen disagrees with.
The politicians on the other hand decide to allow the bill to go through.
Who would you go to, to do something about this ?
Pardon my ignorance, but I am not from the USA.

Originally Posted by TiredPhil

Lets just say that something comes along that almost every American citizen disagrees with.
The politicians on the other hand decide to allow the bill to go through.
Who would you go to, to do something about this ?
Pardon my ignorance, but I am not from the USA.

Hopefully vote them out of office. That is really all we can do. But relentless party loyalty makes that a problem. The, "Well, he is better than the other guy," mentality is what is stagnating things so bad. I used to think like that, but now I refuse to vote for politicians who support things I majorly disagree with. There is a saying: "A vote for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil." I will no longer vote for evil.

Originally Posted by TiredPhil

Lets just say that something comes along that almost every American citizen disagrees with.
The politicians on the other hand decide to allow the bill to go through.
Who would you go to, to do something about this ?
Pardon my ignorance, but I am not from the USA.

This is pretty much what the Occupy Wall Street protests were about. It became a forum where the Average Joe - who otherwise felt removed from the political process - could go to and discuss politics with other folks just like them. Protests strategies and action plans were being worked on and then "The Man" rushed in and broke it up using (largely illegal) intimidation tactics.

Originally Posted by GavinGill

...and then "The Man" rushed in and broke it up using (largely illegal) intimidation tactics.

...including, but not limited to; infiltrating those groups and sabotaging them, trying to sway certain members into more radical ideologies, as a means of 'legally' targeting them and their associates.

I've read that NYPD used similar tactics used during the Tahrir Square protests - sexually assaulting (ie. groping) female activists in order to traumatize them to the point of leaving the the protests, and to provoke the male activists to attack the police (which would then be used as a justification for storming the protesters). There was one incident where a woman allegedly called an officer a pervert for groping her, and was subsequently tackled, dragged behind police lines, and had her wrists broken.

There was another one where a notable Occupy speaker appeared on Democracy Now! with a hand-shaped bruise on her chest, but none of the mainstream news outlets covered the story. They were quick to point out that Occupy numbers were dwindling, but failed to mention why.

If all these stories, and reports given in this thread are even half true, then your government already knows about them.
The country you are living in seems to be getting eaten away, step by step.
With more people standing up for their rights, the government will only use this to stamp down on you even more.
If there is a tipping point which can not be come back from, I do hope that America has not passed it.
With enemies of the United States increasing day by day, the American public are also going to doubt their governments decisions even more.
Hence, more civil liberties being taken away to control the masses.
The decisions made over Syria will go a long way to making more enemies or friends globally.
We probably do not have to wait too long for that decision to be made. Time will tell.
Good luck America

Local police forces becoming ever the more militarized.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i5sDOdoFqg

Border patrol doing an absolute shit job. Creating a situation that causes two visitors a great deal of distress, then detaining them for reacting to it.

^On that same note:

This - unless prevented - is the future of our local police forces.
Eric Holder: Make Every Cop a SWAT Cop

Related:
Column: The militarization of U.S. police forces

And how's this for justice? Remember that cop who went viral after pepperspraying all of those peaceful protesters at UC Davis? Well, he was just granted a cool $38,000+ for the 'pain and suffering' he endured after the public backflash for his assault on said protestors. I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
http://www.kcra.com/news/local-news/...paign=kcra%2B3

Originally Posted by Oneironaut Zero

And how's this for justice? Remember that cop who went viral after pepperspraying all of those peaceful protesters at UC Davis? Well, he was just granted a cool $38,000+ for the 'pain and suffering' he endured after the public backflash for his assault on said protestors. I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
Officer in UC Davis pepper-spray incident to get $38,059 | Sacramento News - KCRA Home

WHAT THE FUCK?!


How...? >____>