Thread: White people acting black

Originally Posted by Never

This is all I was trying to say, but better than I was able to articulate it. People seem to have this fear that if people get together in white pride, then it will suddenly develop into Nazi Germany all over again.

Ok, I just wanna clear this up, I was not saying this at all. vvvv

Originally Posted by snoop

There are really two kinds of pride; one is destructive and one is constructive and vital to really live. The destructive kind is obviously bad and doesn't serve to help anyone, but could you imagine a world without pride? No one would even like themselves or ever get a sense of accomplishment. Racial pride should be something that lifts people up, albeit people of the same race as you. It should not bring others down in the process, the two are completely unrelated and it's possible to achieve one without having to achieve the other.

What I mean is that racial pride is counterproductive.
Yes you can have pride in your OWN accomplishments, that is a good thing. Obviously.
But why would you want to "lift people up" that are only the same race as you?
You say it is possible to do this without bringing another race down. But I think the line between this is way too thin. And humans tend to go to extremes wherein they ignore everything else. I'm not saying we will end up being largely racist again, no.

What I'm saying is that it is too easy to get caught up in your pride in your own race, and not be proud of other races too.

But even besides that, why would you only be proud of people that are the same colour as you? It's quite arbitrary. Especially when most of them have done fuck all in the way of helping your race progress.

What this basically boils down to is the same thing as racism. Creating distinctions between races. When the only real difference is melatonin levels in the skin. I'm saying this is just perpetuating the perception of a distinction between different races.

You have some good points tommo. It is a thin line, I agree, but all social ideas have this dilemma, such as capitalism; it can become corporate facism easily, as we have seen, but this does not mean that we give up on the Austrian school. Consider the alternative; follow this idea that "we are all the same" to it's conclusion. While you may feel this way, many people of other races, ethnicities, and cultures do not (in my opinion), mostly unconsciously in more supposedly "civilized" countries.

Besides, I do not agree that "skin color" is the only issue; besides the fact that there are many more differences, those which we know of and perhaps some that we do not, there is also ethnicity and culture to deal with. Blurring racial lines is similar to trying to make a one world nationality; except a nation is an idea, albeit an important one, but race has at least some basis in reality.

And I am very proud of the human race as well, so it follows that I am proud of all races, and this is wherein the question turns, again to a love of diversity, of humanity, and all races. In my opinion universalism is more a hatred of all races while still being proud of all humanity, yet one must admit that humanity consists of various races.

Originally Posted by Never

...And I am very proud of the human race as well, so it follows that I am proud of all races, and this is wherein the question turns, again to a love of diversity, of humanity, and all races.

What's the question and how did it turn?

In my opinion universalism is more a hatred of all races while still being proud of all humanity, yet one must admit that humanity consists of various races.

Then your concept of universalism cannot exist - unless pride and hatred of a thing can inconceivably co-exist.

Originally Posted by tommo

What I mean is that racial pride is counterproductive.
Yes you can have pride in your OWN accomplishments, that is a good thing. Obviously.
But why would you want to "lift people up" that are only the same race as you?
You say it is possible to do this without bringing another race down. But I think the line between this is way too thin. And humans tend to go to extremes wherein they ignore everything else. I'm not saying we will end up being largely racist again, no.

What I'm saying is that it is too easy to get caught up in your pride in your own race, and not be proud of other races too.

But even besides that, why would you only be proud of people that are the same colour as you? It's quite arbitrary. Especially when most of them have done fuck all in the way of helping your race progress.

What this basically boils down to is the same thing as racism. Creating distinctions between races. When the only real difference is melatonin levels in the skin. I'm saying this is just perpetuating the perception of a distinction between different races.

First of all, racism is not merely the distinction of race--it's the recognition of the differences between two or more races and asserting that, because of these differences, one race is superior or inferior to another. Distinction of race is nothing more than an observation, which alone is, by definition, devoid of connotation. Thus, distinction of race cannot be racist. Secondly, I want to lift people of my own race up because people of other races already have members of their own race lifting them up. Normatively speaking we should be proud of everyone, proud of the human race as a whole. Realistically speaking, differences in culture and the overall attitude of people in general prevent this ideology from ever spreading beyond just a relatively small group of people. Does this mean that this way of thinking is wrong? Absolutely not. It simply isn't realistic. Lastly, read what I type more thoroughly or quit assuming. I never said to be proud only of your own race or the members of your own race. I was saying that it's okay to be proud of your race and that you should be. Again, it's possible to be proud of your own race without putting down other races or ignoring their accomplishments. You can be proud of those things too. The purpose of my post was to help dissolve the concept that being proud of your heritage, culture, and race is racist (especially if you are white).

Originally Posted by snoop

First of all, racism is not merely the distinction of race--it's the recognition of the differences between two or more races and asserting that, because of these differences, one race is superior or inferior to another. Distinction of race is nothing more than an observation, which alone is, by definition, devoid of connotation.

I really don't think the average human being is capable of such subtlety of thought. Which is a huge part of my argument.

Originally Posted by snoop

Secondly, I want to lift people of my own race up because people of other races already have members of their own race lifting them up.

So you're just playing the 1up game....

Originally Posted by snoop

Normatively speaking we should be proud of everyone, proud of the human race as a whole. Realistically speaking, differences in culture and the overall attitude of people in general prevent this ideology from ever spreading beyond just a relatively small group of people. Does this mean that this way of thinking is wrong? Absolutely not. It simply isn't realistic.

So do you think that people stereotype their own race?
There are massive differences between people of the same race. I don't see any bigger differences between some people of different races.
I like how you think people overlook this fact, yet you think they are capable of making the subtle distinction between being proud of their own race and thinking theirs is better than other races.