Thread: The Dangers of Anti-Depressant Drugs. Big Pharma

This is crazy how most dangerous drugs are legal. I'm worried that my mother is on Prozac now, my girlfriends mother is on some Bi-Polar medicine and she completely flips out sometimes, and I know it's the drugs doing this.

Some of the horror stories I hear from the anti-depressant Effexor were unbelievable...to see people suffering like this, from a drug that doctors prescribe all the time. I think the worst part of all this is the people that kill their families and slay babies are all on some form of SSRI like Alex Jones pointed out.



Jesus..I hope this wakes some people up..Thank God I learned meditation.

[edit] Mods can you move this to extended discussion..I posted this in the wrong section

Some of the medication they advertise are deadly. They have death as a side effect listed right on the bottle and they say it in your ads on the tv. I don't think anyone should be taking medication if they side effects are worse that what you are trying to treat, and taking multiple medication so they can counteract each others side effects is a losing battle.

I think the biggest problem is that psychiatric medication can be prescribed (last I heard) by pretty much any doctor. Would you go to an Ophthalmologist for a heart surgery? Go to the doctor that specializes in the field and knows what's being prescribed.

General Practicioners messed me up majorly by off-handedly prescribing this and that. Once I started seeing a Psychiatrist, though, and he undid all the past damage, I have benefited tremendously from meds such as Prozac, Provigil and Strattera. It's not an exact science though. Everyone's chemistry is a bit different. Through trial and error (closely supervised) we discovered that Prozac type meds (Celexa, Lexapro) work wonderfully but not Strattera so much.
Go to the person who knows what they're doing.

Originally Posted by Zhaylin

General Practicioners messed me up majorly by off-handedly prescribing this and that. Once I started seeing a Psychiatrist, though, and he undid all the past damage, I have benefited tremendously from meds such as Prozac, Provigil and Strattera.

Priceless.

LOL ALEX JONES.

This is clearly bullshit. The first guy obviously doesn't know the first thing about drugs. He might be right about doctors prescribing it too aggressively, but all the other stuff he says just destroys his credibility completely.

Yeah... unfortunately, my hubby LOVES Alex Jones. I'm given a lot of grief for taking meds.

That guy is such an asshole. Listening to him is as bad as Fox News.

Cmind
It's been a process. lol He just doesn't say: "Here, take all of these now and let's see what happens."
I've been seeing my p-doc since around 2001.
General MD's, on the other hand... you see them for a couple of hours and they prescribe stuff and never see you again.

Originally Posted by Zhaylin

Cmind
It's been a process. lol He just doesn't say: "Here, take all of these now and let's see what happens."
I've been seeing my p-doc since around 2001.
General MD's, on the other hand... you see them for a couple of hours and they prescribe stuff and never see you again.

Yeah well I started the same way you did, with my GP putting me on several different drugs, but my process has culminated in two things: I am now off all medications, and I now feel better than I ever have. I guess I didn't need the drugs after all. Oops.

Maybe you should have more faith in yourself and less faith in the pill.

He is right in that you need to be careful with the medication. Starting and stopping them, people don't think about it but if you suddenly quit that kind of medication, it can really mess you up too.

Originally Posted by Alric

He is right in that you need to be careful with the medication. Starting and stopping them, people don't think about it but if you suddenly quit that kind of medication, it can really mess you up too.

That's the whole point I'm trying to make, anything that gives you withdrawals like that isn't good. That's like a doctor prescribing your crack or heroin.

Yea your high is good, but what happens when you miss a dose? If a crack addict suddenly stops smoking, he's going to have some serious problems. Just doesn't seem good to be doped up like that constantly. But it's all good to get high as long as the drug is legal...but people look down upon dope junkies and potheads

I mean Jesus, brain zaps?..from something a doctor gives you. That sounds so painful and excruciating....

Originally Posted by Majestic

I mean Jesus, brain zaps?..from something a doctor gives you. That sounds so painful and excruciating....

Well, I've gone through the whole withdrawal process so I can tell you, the brain zaps are shitty but they're not the worst part. The worst part is that starting a few months after you stop taking the meds, and lasting several months or even years, is a feeling of deep depression and a sort of disconnectedness from your own memories. It's tough to describe, but it's extremely painful -- emotionally. It sort of feels like you're dead and you're a ghost remembering the life you once had.

But like I said, this doesn't happen right away, which is why poor fools like Zhaylin (no offense) can be lead to believe that these symptoms are self generated, when in fact they're withdrawals, plain and simple. They do go away, but only if you stay off the meds. Your doctor WILL shove a script in your face, but luckily they can't force feed you those pills.

Anyway, we all know this deep down, but some people are in denial. A couple of years ago I was saying the exact same stuff Zhaylin was saying, but fortunately I got my hands on a nasty psychedelic called 2C-E and it gave me the clarity to see what I was doing to myself. It was a painful journey, but I'm proud to say that I'm off all drugs now and feeling great. Even better than before the drugs, because now I know my battles are behind me.

Originally Posted by Majestic

That's the whole point I'm trying to make, anything that gives you withdrawals like that isn't good. That's like a doctor prescribing your crack or heroin.

Because all drugs that can cause withdrawal do so with the same severity as crack and heroin, right? I'm prescribed Adderall which is mixed amphetamine salts and if I miss a dose or suddenly stop taking it I'm fine unless I've abused it, in which case I'm still fine but I eat a lot and maybe have one day where nothing feels worth doing, so I lay around.

Originally Posted by Majestic

Yea your high is good, but what happens when you miss a dose?

You think people who use medications as prescribed are looking to get high? Sorry, but with anti-depressants especially, you don't really get high... at all. I've taken Prozac (SSRI) and Wellbutrin (dopamine and norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor), both different types of anti-depressants, and neither ever made me feel like it was a drug I wanted to abuse. Not to mention how they make you feel is highly dependent on your personal brain chemistry. For instance, when I take Adderall I don't talk uncontrollably, I don't fidget around or look for something to do, or otherwise geek/tweek in any way. It makes me able to focus, sit still, and if I take too much, it actually sedates me to the point that I fall asleep. If I take painkillers such as lortabs, rather than make me really lazy and just sit and chill without much talking, I actually talk quite a bit and I move around just as much as I would have before taking it. This is obviously not the normal effect, and it's because my brain chemistry is different than most people's due to an imbalance of neurotransmitters in my brain. People who really suffer from depression have an imbalance of neurotransmitters as well, although not necessarily the same ones as me. Taking these drugs balances this level out, which in turn can stabilize emotions.

One thing I will say is that, in my experience, drugs like these and some others (such as stimulants) can really fuck with your head if you or your doctor doesn't know what they are doing. If you can tell something is wrong, tell your doctor, and if (s)he says to keep taking the meds then tell him/her to fuck off. The kind of state you can be put into isn't worth even the time they say you should wait for the meds to build up in your bloodstream. I am not talking about feeling like a zombie or unemotional, I'm talking about being paranoid, delusional, and/or extremely emotional. If something feels very off to you, then talk to your doctor about weening yourself off the meds or look up which one you're taking and see if it's safe to quit suddenly (in my case, Wellbutrin I can quit cold turkey any time I want, no withdrawal symptoms whatsoever; however, it isn't like most anti-depressants so I wouldn't suggest it for something like a tricyclic or SSRI). What's worse about all this is that dosage changes can make all the difference. I was and still am prescribed 150mg Wellbutrin XL (for ADD, not depression), and I'm just fine on that. In fact, if anything, it stabilizes my emotions and makes it more difficult to get overly upset. Bump my dose up to 300mg, and my world is turned into massive gaping shithole in which my emotions are highly volatile. It was very easy to become upset, and once upset, I would continually build on it. I experienced a lot of difficulty with getting happy/positive again once I got upset (even over something tiny).

That being said, with the right drug and the right dosage, these drugs can be highly beneficial. Any talk of outright outlawing them is petty fear-mongering. Until a better alternative that has been well established turns up, I'm perfectly fine with anti-depressants being prescribed.

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Originally Posted by Darkmatters

Hey, I'm very curious about this - I've heard anti-depressants described as disassociatives (is that right?) - in spite of their obvious terrible effects, do they cause a similar disassociation from reality as psychoactive drugs, meaning could there be some benefit in terms of ego-death from using them?

I've taken a lot of different types of drugs (really just to try them, most I don't do any more) and I can say from experience that anti-depressants are nothing like dissociatives. Unless you're experiencing hallucinations or delusions of some sort, in most cases I wouldn't consider them psychoactive either. I could maybe see somebody saying you are emotionally detached, as I said above 150mg Wellbutrin XL daily makes it hard for me to become overly upset. I'm sure some people really do experience zombie-ification from some anti-depressants. That's not to say, however, that it is psychoactively dissociative like DXM or Ketamine.

Originally Posted by Majestic

That's the whole point I'm trying to make, anything that gives you withdrawals like that isn't good. That's like a doctor prescribing your crack or heroin.

Yea your high is good, but what happens when you miss a dose? If a crack addict suddenly stops smoking, he's going to have some serious problems. Just doesn't seem good to be doped up like that constantly. But it's all good to get high as long as the drug is legal...but people look down upon dope junkies and potheads

I mean Jesus, brain zaps?..from something a doctor gives you. That sounds so painful and excruciating....

This is the thing. But instead of calling it addictive, they say it is a dependency.

I got those brain zaps too. I've talked about this quite a bit on here when the topic comes up.

They're bloody horrible drugs with common side effects. They actually have been proven to not help depression or anxiety or anything at all. Except there is some indication that it may help for SEVERELY depressed people, as in they can't get out of bed or do anything at all. And even then it only helps a bit.


On the other hand, there are drugs like Ketamine which can cure everything that SSRI's are supposed to, instantly. And you only have to take one dose every couple of months at the most.

But why would they prescribe that? Big Pharma can't make much money off one pill, once a month doses.

I just wish Alex Jones didn't say this about anti-depressants. Because it's actually true but now it looks like bullshit crazy talk.

EDIT:

Wopps, I see there is a couple more pages I missed. And I see some others have already mentioned Ketamine.

Originally Posted by Darkmatters

Hey, I'm very curious about this - I've heard anti-depressants described as disassociatives (is that right?) - in spite of their obvious terrible effects, do they cause a similar disassociation from reality as psychoactive drugs, meaning could there be some benefit in terms of ego-death from using them?

You may have heard this from me. It wasn't that they were like a dissociative. But they did make me dissociated.
I assume it is completely different to psychedelics or dissociative drugs like DXM or Ketamine.
I just felt like I was in a dream. That is really the best way to describe it. And it wasn't an immediate effect of the drug.
It just happened occasionally. And many others have reported this. Depersonalisation/Derealisation Disorder is the name for it.

So I wouldn't call them dissociatives. It's probably a side-effect which not everyone gets. I also did not get any long term benefit from
the ego-death feeling, like one would with psychedelics for example. Like I can't recreate that feeling and learned nothing from it except that it felt good and made me very calm lol

I don't think it's the way to live your entire life though. But it would be good for a little while, like if there was a drug that could do that for a few hours.

Nah... "better living through chemistry" is my motto.
(I've stated truer reasons elsewhere so I'm not going to jack the thread by repeating it).

Alric, I've known several people who had troubles getting off meds. Personally, I don't understand it because I've never had any problems. I've heard it can be pretty bad though.

I had brain zaps BEFORE I was medicated. I had almost forgotten about that until I watched the video. No one used that term and describing it was nearly impossible lol
I got mine as part of anxiety induced catalepsy.

Which is curious to me now to hear it in connection to meds nearly 10 years later.

alex jones is a fear monger...

Originally Posted by cmind

Yeah well I started the same way you did, with my GP putting me on several different drugs, but my process has culminated in two things: I am now off all medications, and I now feel better than I ever have. I guess I didn't need the drugs after all. Oops.

Maybe you should have more faith in yourself and less faith in the pill.

That doesn't mean that everyone should "get off all medications". And Zhaylin's not a fool

Thanks Seroquel

The bottom line is: coming off of ANY med can be painful and/or dangerous.
Talk to your doctor. See a specialist. Pay attention to your body and to any side effects.
Work with your doctor when coming off meds. Don't quit cold turkey.

Hey, I'm very curious about this - I've heard anti-depressants described as disassociatives (is that right?) - in spite of their obvious terrible effects, do they cause a similar disassociation from reality as psychoactive drugs, meaning could there be some benefit in terms of ego-death from using them?

Originally Posted by Darkmatters

Hey, I'm very curious about this - I've heard anti-depressants described as disassociatives (is that right?) - in spite of their obvious terrible effects, do they cause a similar disassociation from reality as psychoactive drugs, meaning could there be some benefit in terms of ego-death from using them?

I actually heard Ketamine is starting to kick all other forms of anti-depressant medication in the ass.

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

I actually heard Ketamine is starting to kick all other forms of anti-depressant medication in the ass.

So far all we know is that it has an immediate positive effect on mood (if you can get over the fact that you're on a dissociative...). Guess what, so does methamphetamine. What matters more is the long term, of which we know nothing.

And this needs to be said: if you're looking for a pill to make you feel good, then your problems will not be solved by any pill.

Originally Posted by cmind

So far all we know is that it has an immediate positive effect on mood (if you can get over the fact that you're on a dissociative...). Guess what, so does methamphetamine. What matters more is the long term, of which we know nothing.

And this needs to be said: if you're looking for a pill to make you feel good, then your problems will not be solved by any pill.

Knowledge knowledge every where.

Firstly, meth introduces temporary stimulation into your nervous system which subsides leaving you not only with the depression you had but a new slump from the drug withdrawal. It doesn't even make you happy so much as just stimulated enabling you to temporarily ignore your problems.

Ketamine, on the other hand, manages to set your perspective on the right level so even when you come back your issues don't seem as serious or permanent. The only real way to combat depression is to confront the issues causing depression, of course. But the relationship you're drawing between the two narcotics is completely invalid. One enables you to ignore your problems, the other gives you tools to face them.

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

Knowledge knowledge every where.

Firstly, meth introduces temporary stimulation into your nervous system which subsides leaving you not only with the depression you had but a new slump from the drug withdrawal. It doesn't even make you happy so much as just stimulated enabling you to temporarily ignore your problems.

Ketamine, on the other hand, manages to set your perspective on the right level so even when you come back your issues don't seem as serious or permanent. The only real way to combat depression is to confront the issues causing depression, of course. But the relationship you're drawing between the two narcotics is completely invalid. One enables you to ignore your problems, the other gives you tools to face them.

You could be right, but I'm not going to take your word for it. I mean, people were saying exactly the same kinds of talking points for SSRIs until very recently.