Thread: The Dangers of Anti-Depressant Drugs. Big Pharma

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

I actually heard Ketamine is starting to kick all other forms of anti-depressant medication in the ass.

So far all we know is that it has an immediate positive effect on mood (if you can get over the fact that you're on a dissociative...). Guess what, so does methamphetamine. What matters more is the long term, of which we know nothing.

And this needs to be said: if you're looking for a pill to make you feel good, then your problems will not be solved by any pill.

Originally Posted by cmind

So far all we know is that it has an immediate positive effect on mood (if you can get over the fact that you're on a dissociative...). Guess what, so does methamphetamine. What matters more is the long term, of which we know nothing.

And this needs to be said: if you're looking for a pill to make you feel good, then your problems will not be solved by any pill.

Knowledge knowledge every where.

Firstly, meth introduces temporary stimulation into your nervous system which subsides leaving you not only with the depression you had but a new slump from the drug withdrawal. It doesn't even make you happy so much as just stimulated enabling you to temporarily ignore your problems.

Ketamine, on the other hand, manages to set your perspective on the right level so even when you come back your issues don't seem as serious or permanent. The only real way to combat depression is to confront the issues causing depression, of course. But the relationship you're drawing between the two narcotics is completely invalid. One enables you to ignore your problems, the other gives you tools to face them.

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

Knowledge knowledge every where.

Firstly, meth introduces temporary stimulation into your nervous system which subsides leaving you not only with the depression you had but a new slump from the drug withdrawal. It doesn't even make you happy so much as just stimulated enabling you to temporarily ignore your problems.

Ketamine, on the other hand, manages to set your perspective on the right level so even when you come back your issues don't seem as serious or permanent. The only real way to combat depression is to confront the issues causing depression, of course. But the relationship you're drawing between the two narcotics is completely invalid. One enables you to ignore your problems, the other gives you tools to face them.

You could be right, but I'm not going to take your word for it. I mean, people were saying exactly the same kinds of talking points for SSRIs until very recently.

Originally Posted by cmind

You could be right, but I'm not going to take your word for it. I mean, people were saying exactly the same kinds of talking points for SSRIs until very recently.

You shouldn't. At the end of the day, with anything, there's a fine line between therapy and dependency.

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It seems like a lot of people who are are against anti-depressants have never taken it themselves and have no idea what they're talking about (especially how it feels to be on it). I had moderate depression and anxiety, and I was miserable. Hardly anything made me happy anymore and daily life always had a rough edge to it, like being dragged across asphalt or gravel with no protection for your skin, as you bleed and crumble away. Lexapro provided the protection. It took slow to finally start working, but eventually I got better. Now I feel like a normal person again, not drugged out or happy all the time, but normal, healthy, and depression never crosses my mind when it used to all the time before the drugs.

That's why people who say crap like this feel like a slap in the face to my health, as if they want people to just go on nothing, no protection, and suffer on their own in the meager hopes that exercise or meditation will do a god damned thing. Because trust me, it doesn't. I exercised on an elliptical every single day in the hopes that I'd feel better, before Lexapro, but I noticed no change. Now I know how my mom feels when she supports medication and bitterly hates people like my dad, who think natural alternatives are the best, and she suffered needlessly in pain and fear for years, also feeling guilty about it as if it was a character weakness and not a real biological condition.

Originally Posted by DeeryTheDeer

It seems like a lot of people who are are against anti-depressants have never taken it themselves and have no idea what they're talking about (especially how it feels to be on it).

Stopped reading right there. On the contrary, I feel the way I do about anti-depressants because I was subjected to them. Before taking them, I did believe they could improve my life. After taking them, I know better.

Originally Posted by cmind

Stopped reading right there. On the contrary, I feel the way I do about anti-depressants because I was subjected to them. Before taking them, I did believe they could improve my life. After taking them, I know better.

Just because they didn't do anything for you, doesn't mean that they don't help anyone. I'd also like to quote you on something you said earlier:

Originally Posted by cmind

Yeah well I started the same way you did, with my GP putting me on several different drugs, but my process has culminated in two things: I am now off all medications, and I now feel better than I ever have. I guess I didn't need the drugs after all. Oops.

If you feel better than you ever have after you were on (and then off) medication, how can you know for sure they didn't help?