LOST: The Final Season

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Originally Posted by DeeryTheDeer

I don't know, I'm trying to let it settle in, but now I feel really shafted as a Locke fan and as an atheist (since they went for broke and made a religious ending in no uncertain terms). But especially as a Locke fan. Okay, he's alright in the end, he's happy and he gets to be with his girl Helen, but for six years of leading me on to think that Locke in particular was "special" and meant for a very specific and epic destiny..... well, I guess it was no more or less noble than Jack's. They both died to save the island and basically the whole world.

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I loved the ending. I wouldn't call it religious so much as agnostic--agnostic toward all the events in every timeline and universe, including, by extension, our own. I doubt any television series has ever brought its themes and character arcs to such a masterful conclusion. From the beginning, the show was not a work of sci-fi or fantasy, but magical realism, which was made utterly apparent in the finale, when the fantastical events and setting moved to the background and we saw that the focus had always been the characters, how they represent all of us, and our ever-present capacity to "let go" of struggles largely of our own making, and come together in love. No one died to save the island, but to save each other, and themselves.

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The ending was terrible. It failed to explain anything that the fans deserved to know. It is clear that the writers are either amateurs, assholes, or idiots. I spent 6 years invested in this show because I wanted to learn what the island really was. Who the hell is jacobs "mom"? How did she get to the island? how does she have the power to give immortality by saying a few strange words and offering a glass of swamp water? what was walt's significance? How is jack's dad alive... the justification was that Jack died too so they both defied what is possible.. But jack's dad died in both realities and was resurrected by what??? I'll tell you what the last season was... It was a cop out... It was an easy way out. To be a good story teller one must take all information into considering when wrapping it up. Lost pumped out so many questions with no answers... I'm very disappointed. Am I the only one?

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Originally Posted by Taosaur

and we saw that the focus had always been the characters, how they represent all of us, and our ever-present capacity to "let go" of struggles largely of our own making, and come together in love. No one died to save the island, but to save each other, and themselves.

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I agree with that. I liked the part where Jack's dad explained that they all needed each other... I just wish it wasn't him saying that... Jack would have been more suited. How would Jack's dad even know that stuff? He was in a coffin before any of them knew each other...

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Originally Posted by Jamal

I agree with that. I liked the part where Jack's dad explained that they all needed each other... I just wish it wasn't him saying that... Jack would have been more suited. How would Jack's dad even know that stuff? He was in a coffin before any of them knew each other...

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Or was he?

I loved it. I was tearing up throughout the show, but rolling my eyes (and tearing up lol) during the last several minutes when it took a religious turn.
I wondered why Walt, Michael and Mr. Eko weren't there but I was too impressed they brought back so many old timers I let it pass.

But.... the island was REAL. They were all (or not ALL if you consider the absences of Mr. Eko etc) stuck in a sort of limbo. I'm expecting a spin-off of sorts off of Hugo's and Ben's last words along the lines of: "You were a good number 2" to which Ben replied "But you were a great number 1."
That implies to me that time kept passing for who-know-how-long before we saw them all in Limbo.
And because of the wreckage at the very end, part of me thinks the plane Kate etc were on crashed.... but, because of the nature of some of the wreckage, perhaps it was just a flashback of the beginning.

All in all, I've been almost entirely pleased with the show and the ending.

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Originally Posted by Jamal

The ending was terrible. It failed to explain anything that the fans deserved to know. It is clear that the writers are either amateurs, assholes, or idiots. I spent 6 years invested in this show because I wanted to learn what the island really was. Who the hell is jacobs "mom"? How did she get to the island? how does she have the power to give immortality by saying a few strange words and offering a glass of swamp water? what was walt's significance? How is jack's dad alive... the justification was that Jack died too so they both defied what is possible.. But jack's dad died in both realities and was resurrected by what??? I'll tell you what the last season was... It was a cop out... It was an easy way out. To be a good story teller one must take all information into considering when wrapping it up. Lost pumped out so many questions with no answers... I'm very disappointed. Am I the only one?

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I think people are focusing too much on irrelevant aspects of the show. The rest of what they didn't explain I think they left for your imagination - which is, in my opinion, a great ending. You don't need to know the specifics behind why one is immortal or why the electromagnetism even exists, it just does. I think they answered all that needed to be answered.

Yeah definitely not an alien. A monster, but not an alien.. That would've ruined the show for me.

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Originally Posted by Taosaur

I doubt any television series has ever brought its themes and character arcs to such a masterful conclusion.

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*cough* BSG *cough*

Anyways, here's hoping they do have a spin-off where some of the bigger questions get answered. The "leave it your imagination" bull just isn't good enough for me.

Funny how so many people seem to have interpreted the ending as them being on purgatory and moving on to heaven-ville to live happily ever after. The way I see it, the alternate timeline existed through the light, making the situation of the characters in the ending similar to (if not the same as) that of the "whispers". The final scene with the light seeping in from the church's door signified the characters getting dissolved into it after having let go of their unresolved issues. (ie letting go of themselves, dying)

And I don't get the deal with whining for explanations. Do we really need an explanation as to how miles knew the last thoughts of the dead? Or how the smoke monster could do the things that it did? No, we just need to know that they did those things; the answer would simply be some vague and purely made up explanation. ("oh, smokey is made up of XYZ-particles attached to a something-field which allows him to reconstruct himself and change form at will")

Haha this is pretty good. ;)
http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1936291

I haven't watched the whole season, but what was up with the old lady who was upset with Desmond for trying to do stuff and what did she mean when she said "you're not going to take him away from me are you?" and why did he say "not with me" when he and the person he was referring to left together? Was she real or fake? If she was real why was she there and why didn't she just go with the rest of them?

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Originally Posted by Sandform

I haven't watched the whole season, but what was up with the old lady who was upset with Desmond for trying to do stuff and what did she mean when she said "you're not going to take him away from me are you?" and why did he say "not with me" when he and the person he was referring to left together? Was she real or fake? If she was real why was she there and why didn't she just go with the rest of them?

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1) I think everyone in the alt-verse was real, as it was a complete reality just like the island-verse, and they didn't enter the "here" where "there is no now" until they arrived at the church together, as evidenced by Jack pulling up to the church and Kate asking him, "Do you know where we are?" suggesting they had just arrived at a different, special place.

2) That's Eloise Hawking, first introduced as Daniel Faraday's mother in the older episode where Desmond was unstuck in time and Faraday told him to "find my mother, she can help." Later, she helped the Oceanic Six return to the island using a pendulum device that tracked the island's movements, and toward the end of last season, her younger self on the island (where she and Widmore were both Others) shot Daniel. In the alt-verse, she's married to Widmore, Daniel's father, hence she's the hostess at the benefit concert. Daniel and Eloise won't be going with the Oceanic folk because they're not of the same karasse (see Stephen King's Dark Tower novels)--likely they will leave with Charlotte, Miles, Chang, Widmore and maybe some of the Others.

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Originally Posted by Jamal

The ending was terrible. It failed to explain anything that the fans deserved to know. It is clear that the writers are either amateurs, assholes, or idiots. I spent 6 years invested in this show because I wanted to learn what the island really was. Who the hell is jacobs "mom"? How did she get to the island? how does she have the power to give immortality by saying a few strange words and offering a glass of swamp water? what was walt's significance? How is jack's dad alive... the justification was that Jack died too so they both defied what is possible.. But jack's dad died in both realities and was resurrected by what??? I'll tell you what the last season was... It was a cop out... It was an easy way out. To be a good story teller one must take all information into considering when wrapping it up. Lost pumped out so many questions with no answers... I'm very disappointed. Am I the only one?

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After 6 years of waiting, being lead on a wild goose chase to this episode where I thought there would be answers, for the writers to say "just kidding about those answers!, LOL!" you're not the only one who is dissapointed. :(

To those who were happy, surely then if it had just been hurlys immagination that would have been just as good. A glowing gold light (that turned red for a few seconds) just doesn't cut it. Why did they even make so much focus on electromagnetism if they didn't even bother explaining it, they lead us to believe it was all real, when it wasn't.

I loved Lost, and I after watching the Finale I felt horrible knowing there's going to be no more shows. They hooked me so bad, unlike any other show I've watched...seriously.

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Originally Posted by Jorge

I loved Lost, and I after watching the Finale I felt horrible knowing there's going to be no more shows. They hooked me so bad, unlike any other show I've watched...seriously.

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You're not content with 6 seasons?

I expected such an ending and I don't really see how it could've been better. It's not that I know every possible ending and have already formed a judgement on them, but let's look at the general picture. Ok, yes, there are some interesting questions to be answered perhaps, but would knowing what the smoke is made of change anything? The only other different themes I can possibly think of regarding Lost include alies, some dream world, a fantasy scenario complete with wizzards and warlocks or some other sci-fi spinoff to explain what was going on in the show... which would be extremely lame. Now I didn't really go through some catharsis because of this ending. Although, as I said, I'm satisfied that they chose the ultimate mystery of "What the f**k is this existence stuff about" to end a show which was based more or less on entertaining us with mysteries. I'm guessing that giving some complete, direct answers would disappoint everyone. Those who didn't like it... If you ended the show, how would you do it differently?

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they lead us to believe it was all real, when it wasn't.

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Ghaaaaa! This is all I hear from my friends! How is it hard? Everything that happened on the island was real and did happen! The only part you could say "wasn't real" was the flash-sideways parallel universe/limbo in the last season.

I facepalm every time one of my uninformed friends says, "So they died in the plane crash in series one, and the whole show was purgatory?"
--"NOOOOO!" (says me)

With heindsight, I think they ending was how it should have ended, but before the ending they should have tied up some answers, not every little unanswered detail, but stuff like;

Where is the island?
What does electormagnetism have to do with anything?
How did the egyptians get there?

I think collegehumors video does a better job of that than me.

I'm now happier with the ending after giving it a days thought, but the pre ending episodes could have given a bit more away, actually they did, but they left it so late they couldn't answer everything. I have my theories but it doesn't cut it. If they had never told us what was in the hatch people would complain.

They advertised using slogans like "answers are coming" and "all will be revealed". They said "ALL will be revealed" You know if it had all been hurley's dream then there would be no questions because none of it will be real, but it is real and they're just not telling us.

They told us what was in the hatch, they showed us the barracks, they even showed us the history and origins of the black rock, they showed us most of the stations. They answer questions, then don't answer others.

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Originally Posted by Taosaur

I loved the ending. I wouldn't call it religious so much as agnostic--agnostic toward all the events in every timeline and universe, including, by extension, our own. I doubt any television series has ever brought its themes and character arcs to such a masterful conclusion. From the beginning, the show was not a work of sci-fi or fantasy, but magical realism, which was made utterly apparent in the finale, when the fantastical events and setting moved to the background and we saw that the focus had always been the characters, how they represent all of us, and our ever-present capacity to "let go" of struggles largely of our own making, and come together in love. No one died to save the island, but to save each other, and themselves.

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I agree 100%. I couldn't contain myself in the final scene... If only the rest of the world watched Lost. I can only hope I find in my life what those characters found.

After the finale, I just didn't care for the unanswered questions about the island, and etc, because that's not what the show was about.

The ending was bullshit. The stupid memory recollection thing makes no sense... None of it makes any sense. I thought they were going to have some explanation for at least something. They explained absolutely nothing. They wasted all the time by going for the cheesy happy ending approach which wasted half of the season setting up a perfect fairytale ending with absolutely no insight into anything interesting. Time travel was enough in my opinion... they didn't need the flash sideways shit. Another thing: Ben Linus is a murderer... I just found the whole situation kinda strange... It was clear that the writers intention was originally to make the others (including ben) evil... but then you find out the others are the good guys and it doesn't make sense. Why did they kidnap the kids? What did they want with walt? They killed people and were hostile... Why would jacob order that... remember ms. clue? What happened to her? I could keep going but there's no point. The point is that the writers did not manage to look back at the information that had already been established. All they did was create more and more questions. The writers should have spent the last season explaining everything unanswered... Like thatperson said above... I honestly would have rather it ending with Walt waking up from a dream...

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Originally Posted by Jamal

...Another thing: Ben Linus is a murderer... I just found the whole situation kinda strange... It was clear that the writers intention was originally to make the others (including ben) evil... but then you find out the others are the good guys and it doesn't make sense.
Why did they kidnap the kids? What did they want with walt? They killed people and were hostile... Why would jacob order that... remember ms. clue?

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Since when was the world only good or only evil. That's quite a naive judgement for life in general, so it makes sense that such an outlook makes the others or Ben in lost seem unrealistic. - They probably wanted to take control, since it was their island. They took Walt so they could blackmail his father and because he was "special" or something like that. They were obviously hostile to those who wanted to take or could take the island. And I don't see where it said that Jacob was good, good as in buddhist who wouldn't hurt anybody. He had to protect the island. And Dharma wanted to fuck up everything, so they were the enemy.

Alternate ending to lost:

http://i.imgur.com/wtzBE.gif

Terrible ending, I much prefer Marvo's. I don't think the writers had any idea what direction that show was going when they first started making it.

They could have at least shown that Jack was the new smoke monster. He died in the light, got spit out in the same spot Jacob's brother did, and died just like Jacob's brother did. Which makes him the new smoke monster.

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Originally Posted by The Cusp

Terrible ending, I much prefer Marvo's. I don't think the writers had any idea what direction that show was going when they first started making it.

They could have at least shown that Jack was the new smoke monster. He died in the light, got spit out in the same spot Jacob's brother did, and died just like Jacob's brother did. Which makes him the new smoke monster.

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Except Jack wasn't evil, unlike the smoke monster.