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      Knowing - A film with Nicholas Cage

      I saw Knowing yesterday evening, and wanted to discuss it here

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      In my opinion, the movie left me... Flabbergasted. The story was great. Freaky typical horror girl writes a whole page full of codes, which apparantly, are dates, the location, and death count for disasters that happened, and are yet to happen. So has to write them down so bad, that she'd even carve them on the wall with her nails.

      So, cool concept!

      The piece of paper with the codes goes in a time capsule, and 50 years later, Nicholas Cage (James Koestler) gets the paper in his hands, and finds what it's really all about. A series of events happen, and the movie gets a scientific/horroresque twist.

      The ending though... Was... SO disappointing. The last code on the piece of paper prophesizes about the end of the world. So. Everyone dies. And there's 2 chosen children, (of which one, of course, happened to be James' son) who are taken away by ALIENS.

      Yes. Aliens. Out of nowhere.

      And they are taken away to some other planet, safe from the cataclysmis event about to happen on earth, where they are to be metaphores for Adam and Eve.

      The last shot of the movie is our new 'Adam' and 'Eve' running towards a huge tree...

      I was flabbergasted. The story was pretty amazing! The code deciphering and all. In my personal opinion, the movie would've been better off with some sort of anti-code, where Nicholas Cage gets to save the world or something. But ALIENS? ADAM AND EVE?

      What's DV's opinion about this movie?

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      I thought it was pretty rubbish. An idea with a lot of potential but the film turned out like a B-movie that tried to be different and unexpected at the end but went way too far. Nick Cage definitely the wrong actor to use too.

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      I enjoyed it.

      I was disturbed by a few parts. Like the plan crash with the burning people running around screaming. There was just something about this movie where the disaster scenes looked almost too real, if you know what I mean? But it made it that much more interesting I guess.

      What is also interesting (for me) is that I've been using the word Knowing, with a capital K for few years now.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Aquanina View Post
      I enjoyed it.

      I was disturbed by a few parts. Like the plan crash with the burning people running around screaming. There was just something about this movie where the disaster scenes looked almost too real, if you know what I mean? But it made it that much more interesting I guess.

      What is also interesting (for me) is that I've been using the word Knowing, with a capital K for few years now.
      Mm. I can't say I enjoyed the scenes too much, it looked too animated. He just got up after a freaking plane had crashed a few meters away from him. It seemed too fake.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Albion View Post
      Mm. I can't say I enjoyed the scenes too much, it looked too animated. He just got up after a freaking plane had crashed a few meters away from him. It seemed too fake.
      Uhh...yeah, he got up to try to help any survivors. I hope I would do the same in his position. I guess you'd just sit there and watch them run around screaming and dying? Eh...

      Also, I saw this in the theater. I imagine it would be much less effective on a tv screen. But some of the people I went and saw it with actually couldn't watch certain parts and said it just looked too real, and I can definitely understand what they meant. If you've ever been in a disaster situation like that, you know what I am talking about. If you haven't, then...well...hopefully you never will be.

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      Just in case anyone wants to see the scene we're talking about here's a video clip.

      The complete scene in Knowing where the plane crashes. Apparently this is fairly accurate to real life.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qd4zUQ_d4AY


      And here's the subway crash...I mean...it's just disturbing the way people are mowed down like flies on a windshield.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZOj1...eature=related
      Last edited by nina; 11-25-2009 at 04:38 PM.

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      Actually, the ending was all I liked about Knowing, mainly the visuals of the Ezekiel-style aliens and spacecraft, and the sheet of flame, but also that they went ahead and ended life on earth, and I think they pulled that off better than much of anything else in the movie.

      Also, I don't think it was just the two kids--I'm pretty sure the aliens took kids from all over earth.
      If you have a sense of caring for others, you will manifest a kind of inner strength in spite of your own difficulties and problems. With this strength, your own problems will seem less significant and bothersome to you. By going beyond your own problems and taking care of others, you gain inner strength, self-confidence, courage, and a greater sense of calm.Dalai Lama



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      Quote Originally Posted by Taosaur View Post
      Actually, the ending was all I liked about Knowing, mainly the visuals of the Ezekiel-style aliens and spacecraft, and the sheet of flame, but also that they went ahead and ended life on earth, and I think they pulled that off better than much of anything else in the movie.

      Also, I don't think it was just the two kids--I'm pretty sure the aliens took kids from all over earth.
      I know. I loved the ending...it felt like every drug trip I've ever had rolled into one awesome visual effect lol. That spacecraft was cool as hell, and I love that the aliens are "angels" basically. Maybe I'm crazy but it didn't see too far fetched to me. However, I was under the impression it was just the two "chosen" children? I don't remember seeing anything that would indicate other children were taken?

      edit: oh wait, nvmd you're right, I just watched the end again and noticed all the spaceships leaving together
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      I loved every part of the movie, and I'm so glad that it wasn't another movie where the humans can't do jack shit about dying. Aliens IMO was the only way to go after a certain point in the movie. And there definitely were other children taken to that planet, if you try to remember the last scene there were many other ships in the background sky that seemed to be beaming down something.
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      Quote Originally Posted by C-Fonz View Post
      And there definitely were other children taken to that planet, if you try to remember the last scene there were many other ships in the background sky that seemed to be beaming down something.
      Yah, I just edited my post. I saw that movie when it first came out awhile ago, so I didn't remember everything about it, but yeah there are definitely a ton of spaceships leaving at the end. (then again, maybe those ships were collecting the animals?)

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      ^^ouuu perhaps they were.
      "Poise and Rationality".

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      Quote Originally Posted by Aquanina View Post
      Uhh...yeah, he got up to try to help any survivors. I hope I would do the same in his position. I guess you'd just sit there and watch them run around screaming and dying? Eh...

      Also, I saw this in the theater. I imagine it would be much less effective on a tv screen. But some of the people I went and saw it with actually couldn't watch certain parts and said it just looked too real, and I can definitely understand what they meant. If you've ever been in a disaster situation like that, you know what I am talking about. If you haven't, then...well...hopefully you never will be.
      No need to be bitchy, love. I'd get up and help them as well.

      I'm just saying its a little weird that a plane crashed just a few meters away from him, and he didn't even fall over by the impact, or ANYTHING of the sort. I don't see why you'd have to react like that.

      I loved every part of the movie, and I'm so glad that it wasn't another movie where the humans can't do jack shit about dying. Aliens IMO was the only way to go after a certain point in the movie. And there definitely were other children taken to that planet, if you try to remember the last scene there were many other ships in the background sky that seemed to be beaming down something.
      The concept was Adam and Eve. There were other biblical references in the movie as well. You have to see it as the ark of noah (not sure what its called in english), version 2. Except now the world is flooded with flames, instead of water.
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      That...was not bitchy...it was sarcasm. Though I realize sarcasm is difficult online.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Albion View Post
      The concept was Adam and Eve. There were other biblical references in the movie as well. You have to see it as the ark of noah (not sure what its called in english), version 2. Except now the world is flooded with flames, instead of water.
      That of course is your interpretation though. There are many different interpretations for the end of the movie. My own was a wipe out of corrupt human civilization in order to create a more innocent and pure one.
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      Quote Originally Posted by C-Fonz View Post
      That of course is your interpretation though. There are many different interpretations for the end of the movie. My own was a wipe out of corrupt human civilization in order to create a more innocent and pure one.
      Did you read the bible?

      That was the first concept of Noah's Ark. They recreated a second version of it.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Albion View Post
      Did you read the bible?

      That was the first concept of Noah's Ark. They recreated a second version of it.
      Um...no. Yes, there were deliberate parallels with Adam and Eve as well as the book of Ezekiel, but not so much the flood, and all of the references were made loosely.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Taosaur View Post
      Um...no. Yes, there were deliberate parallels with Adam and Eve as well as the book of Ezekiel, but not so much the flood, and all of the references were made loosely.
      The references were to Adam and Eve, and Noah.

      So it's not my interpretance.

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      Nick cage is one of the worst mainstream actors in hollywood. Him and Keanu reeves are probably in the top 2.

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      Keanu and Cage are both usually hit or miss for me. They've both been in movies I absolutely love, and movies I have no intention of seeing. Cage more so the latter. But I don't think either are terrible actors...

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      Keanu is in a lot of good movies, but it is moreso because of the supporting cast/writers that make it so. His emotional range is the equivalent of a plank with a smiley face. Nick cage is in a greater diversity of genres but he should stick to comedies rather than family movies and action flicks.

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      Quote Originally Posted by grasshoppa View Post
      Nick cage is in a greater diversity of genres but he should stick to comedies rather than family movies and action flicks.
      Well The Rock is one of my favorite movies of all time...

      But yeah, now that he's getting old...I can see why you'd say that I guess.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Albion View Post
      The references were to Adam and Eve, and Noah.

      So it's not my interpretance.
      No it is. It really wouldn't have mattered if I read the bible either way, I'm pretty sure Noah's Ark and Adam and Eve were two different stories. Motion pictures are art, there is no cut and dry way to convey their meaning. It's whatever you want.
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      Quote Originally Posted by C-Fonz View Post
      No it is. It really wouldn't have mattered if I read the bible either way, I'm pretty sure Noah's Ark and Adam and Eve were two different stories. Motion pictures are art, there is no cut and dry way to convey their meaning. It's whatever you want.
      Ofcourse they're 2 different storys. They just combined them in this CONTEXT. It's not whatever you want, its pretty clearly a reference to the bible.

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