Thread: Derren Brown: How to control the nation

The whole show in 5 parts:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kleU33g9kKU

It only works if you truly believe it works.

Originally Posted by Black_Eagle

It only works if you truly believe it works.

No actually it does not.


I just finished watching it, damn the part of the people giving money away like mad and the guy giving his SHOES away was awesome.

Originally Posted by Black_Eagle

It only works if you truly believe it works.

Well, my sister truly believed it would work, though I said that she made herself believe it in my first post. Oops.

No actually it does not.

It's all psychological. You have to believe it works, even at the subconscious level.

Had absolutely no impact on me. And the quality of the youtube vid was excellent.

Similarly with lucid dreaming, I've effortlessly achieved things first time that many struggle with. The only limitation I found was with light switches not working, even when I didn't believe it in the slightest (though I did immediately disprove the idea that light levels can't be changed by 'thinking' the light on instead). Very few things seem to be limited by the brain's software. Many things are limited by expectations.

A lot of Derren's other illusions work on a similar principle. There's one where he manages to manipulate how people spin a set of tables, and convinces them they're not moving the table but following it. Obviously they are moving the table, they're just not aware of it.

Also have to bear in mind that some people are simply 'weak-minded', and easily influenced.

Originally Posted by Photolysis

Also have to bear in mind that some people are simply 'weak-minded', and easily influenced.

Actually with hypnosis they say it works better on people with more creative personalities. Ofcourse, he did say it only worked on higher resolutions.

Ofcourse, he did say it only worked on higher resolutions.

The image resolution on youtube was not far off that used for conventional TV broadcasts. The quality of the video was more akin to HD.

Actually with hypnosis they say it works better on people with more creative personalities.

Who's 'they'? Sounds more like a placating mechanism to me "wow I must be creative if this worked!". Furthermore, there are many aspects to creativity.


When watching the part where he tries the stunt you can hear him emphasising certain words like stuck; they're essentially commands that the weaker-minded people obey at the subconscious level.

Similarly with experiments such as the Milgram experiment; a lot of people carry out commands unquestioningly when it comes from what is perceived as an authority figure. And that's simply due to a lack of critical thinking on their part.

It's all rather fascinating though.

Originally Posted by Photolysis

The image resolution on youtube was not far off that used for conventional TV broadcasts. The quality of the video was more akin to HD.



Who's 'they'? Sounds more like a placating mechanism to me "wow I must be creative if this worked!". Furthermore, there are many aspects to creativity.


When watching the part where he tries the stunt you can hear him emphasising certain words like stuck; they're essentially commands that the weaker-minded people obey at the subconscious level.

Similarly with experiments such as the Milgram experiment; a lot of people carry out commands unquestioningly when it comes from what is perceived as an authority figure. And that's simply due to a lack of critical thinking on their part.

It's all rather fascinating though.

If you think they are weaker-minded people you could just as well be one yourself.

You can't compare the Milgrain Experiment with PWA or hypnosis.

You are wrong if you think critical thinking makes one immune to either of these. I would love to see you get hypnotised by a professional, to deflate that ego-thinking of superiority. I am sure that would be hilarious and ironic.

Originally Posted by Photolysis

Who's 'they'? Sounds more like a placating mechanism to me "wow I must be creative if this worked!". Furthermore, there are many aspects to creativity.

Funny you should mention that. It sounds to me that your argument is a placating mechanism "I must not be weak-minded if this didn't work"

Originally Posted by Photolysis

It's all psychological. You have to believe it works, even at the subconscious level.

What are you talking about, Perception Without Awareness has nothing to do with belief.

One can still not belief it will work, and still be affected.

Watch the part where he test different videos in six people. They are not aware of what is going to happen, but it still happens.

Did the guy who gave his shoes away believe it would happen? No he did not.

Now, in hypnosis one operates with the term "suggestibility", some people are easy to influence and some are not. If you have a high suggestibility you can easily be hypnotised to do or experience certain things. You can still believe hypnosis is bullshit, but that often change after the person do some crazy act while hypnotised.