Thread: Classical Music vs. Modern Music

Originally Posted by Vance

But the whole point is you don't listen to Sinatra all the time. Just because you visit Africa and like the music doesn't mean you get into it.

I'm not sure i understand what you're saying here. People do listen to Sinatra all the time. There are young people everywhere who listen to nothing but Duke Ellington and Charlie Parker, Louis Armstrong and Ella Fitzgerald. Anyway, it's not important, i'm just sticking up for Jazz

Originally Posted by Ardent Lost

I'm not sure i understand what you're saying here. People do listen to Sinatra all the time. There are young people everywhere who listen to nothing but Duke Ellington and Charlie Parker, Louis Armstrong and Ella Fitzgerald. Anyway, it's not important, i'm just sticking up for Jazz

I know, but compared to the amount of people who listen to moden music and classical... Or at least have an appreciation for classical...

Originally Posted by Ardent Lost

I'm not sure i understand what you're saying here. People do listen to Sinatra all the time. There are young people everywhere who listen to nothing but Duke Ellington and Charlie Parker, Louis Armstrong and Ella Fitzgerald. Anyway, it's not important, i'm just sticking up for Jazz

what do you consider young, i don't think people in their 60's and 70's qualify as young anymore.

Originally Posted by Ickarus

what do you consider young, i don't think people in their 60's and 70's qualify as young anymore.

Well i'm 22 and i listen to that music. Not solely that music, but i listen to as much jazz as i do classical. And there are plenty more people my age who listen to jazz almost exclusively.

my musical tastes span like 500 years or something. Baroque-21st century

Depends what music you speak of, as to whether its "art"

Solja Boy is not art. Dream Theater is art. 50 Cent is not art. Bach is.

I will now begin a rant...having studied music for the majority of my life.

Music?

The loosest definition of music...is organised sounds. Tap your finger on your desk. Thats music.

Art?

But "art" is expressive. Hate. Love. Joy. Fear. all emotions. Artistic music will express that. A guitar solo from Jimi Hendrix for example. Crammed full of expression....its art. You can hear every note being phrased, even though he wasnt the best of technique.

Ability to convey feeling, through organising sounds = artistic music. I dont care if the music is mainstream....or commericial...if its performed with expression = artistic.


Did you ever hear anyone say..."oh man, I just got a mega shiver up my spine when eminem started talking about booty"

Popular Music Today

It seems todays charts are dominated by "RnB" these days. This is because somehow every one in the world was convinced they were much more hardcore than they actually are. What did RnB take over? Pop Groups

Ahh...the groups everyone loves to hate. Nsync would be my favourite. RnB convinced the world pop was "gay" in a weird twist of fate..RnB became Pop.

But my musical listening convinces me this "new pop" is devoid of ALL expression and art. Boy bands had performance skills to convey feeling with their performances WHILST being commercial. RnB is sold on image. Thats right...im a fan of boybands. Flame me. you wont win.

Classical Vs Modern

It all depends on the music style and performer. A good performer will be the different between music and art.

However, the only music EVER I would say CANNOT be artistic is popular rap/rnb.
Why?
-its message-less
-based on image and attitude.

(I do find some rap and rnb expressionate..but the type I would is not "popular")

end rant..


(WOOOOOH, I got off topic)

Some artful, complex music survives from every era, but it's not necessarily predictable by what's 'topping the charts' at any given time. From the mid-20th century it's mainly jazz that a lot of the people living at the time never heard. From our own time, it's likely to be IDM and ambient electronic artists that a lot of people living now have never heard.

I believe that the problem started when people started regarding art (and specifically music) as a business first, and culture second (if at all).

Any music written mainly as a vehicle for album sales will eventually be forgotten. Music written as an outpouring of expression from a true artist will always sound good.

The sad thing is that most people hear very little of the latter, since the airwaves are wall-to-wall bought by major lables with money in their eyes. They could give a rat's ass about whether the music is good. If it sells, that's all that matters.

I'm hoping the internet forces some more change in this regard quickly before people give up on music all together.

Originally Posted by skysaw

I'm hoping the internet forces some more change in this regard quickly before people give up on music all together.

Not going to happen. If it does, it will be because of the invention of a hyper-hedonistic orgasmic drug with no ill side-effects that lasts indefinitely, and people could care less about music. But music will always be around until then.