Thread: Rap Music

Wondering what your voices are on this.

I can't decide who I think is best, but I give lots of respect to Eminem's skills. He's got the hardest rhymes and can rap to rhythm so it's catchy. He was near my place recently, it's too bad I missed him. I intended to get tickets.

I know Linkin Park is more of a metal band, but emcee Mike's got good rhymes that I can really relate to.

Ja Rule's got really nice tunes, like in "Livin it Up" and "Mezmerized" but it fucking pisses me off how a lot of his lyrics are just sexual and shallow.

And P. Diddy has little skill...

There's this new Chink rapper break out, Jin. Just some of his songs are good, but they're deep. And he's an extremelyyyy good freestyle artist.

My tastes in music goes by song, rather than artists, unless most of their songs on their albums are good.

Rap doesn't qualify as music.

There was a time when it did. Run DMC, Grandmaster Flash....even Tupac...they were artists.

Today's rappers are trash. Dre ruined it.

Brady got it right, but Kanye West is good. At least he uses his imagination.

A form of rap im fond of is when Rap is mixed with Electronica. Thats Raponica!

mc chris is pretty fucking good. He raps about shit that MATTERS!! Like Boba Fett and Robitussin.

Rap = rythmic swearing

R - Retarded

A- Assholes

P- Posing

lol

I can't stand rap. All that swearing and I don't even know what the hell they are saying. For music we get an infinitely looped synth line with some drum machine rhythyms, all the while we hear some black guy yelling random shit about sex and drugs and whatnot. Rap used to be good, no it's overused comercialized (sp?) SHIT.

No i think RAP in fact is really cool. I myself is a fan of electronica, and when you censor all the swearing in a RAP "hit" you get a really cool electronica song!

Originally posted by AirRick101
I know Linkin Park is more of a metal band, but emcee Mike's got good rhymes that I can really relate to.

Mike Shinoda is my favourite rapper. You can hear what he's saying, it's rythmic AND it makes sense. I also respect Will Smith for not using curse words in his raps. He is also a rapper that you can actually understand what he's saying.

There are quite a few good early rap songs that i like such as Rapper's Delight, Can I Kick It, Shake it, etc...

Some rap is good, some is not so good. There's no need for all this dissing, yo
don't be a hater, etc blah blah blah

I wasn't really around to really appreciate what rap used to be. It's hard to say. The music in today's rap is better than the rappers themselves, yes.

There was a time I dissed most rap, I thought it was just talking with music in the background, but didn't appreciate it until I could understand why people liked it. I got kind of used to the swearing, although I don't like doing it so much myself.

Rap is not masterfully done, or at least, almost never done that way anymore. Because it has a better rep as being a freestyle art.

I enjoy rap music if it has a message and isnt just about calling women 'ho's' while they shake their asses in front of the screen like a peice of cold meat. I agree with most off the comments above, the music has lost its meaning and is all about consumerism and getting rich $$$$$$$. Its not about somthing politlcally powerful or passionate expression anymore like it used to be (Eminem is good to a degree) its all about selling Nike Trainers while wearing gold around your neck and conforming to the stereotypical image of black culture:- "MOFO MURDERS"

Give me a Spike Lee Joint anyday

Do The Right Thing "WORD UP"

Side-note: Wu Tang Clan and Outkast are Excellent!

"Chink", "some black guy" - do I sense some racial undertones?

Alot of you seem really umm..inexperienced with rap music, for lack of a better description that wouldn't piss anybody off.

If you are interested in rap music but are looking for something decent that's not all commercialized try Talib Kweli, Common, Kanye West, Dilated Peoples, Slum Village, (I also like) Shyne, Papoose, and Siagon.

Gargen Wrote:

Rap = rythmic swearing

R - Retarded

A- Assholes

P- Posing

lol [/b]

People that know nothing about rap except the few BS songs they hear while flipping passed MTV or BET or talked about by their other rap-hating friends should learn not to make ignorant comments about a genre they know nothing about. Makes you look Really unintelligent.

Deeptrance Wrote:

I can't stand rap. All that swearing and I don't even know what the hell they are saying. For music we get an infinitely looped synth line with some drum machine rhythyms, all the while we hear some black guy yelling random shit about sex and drugs and whatnot. Rap used to be good, no it's overused comercialized (sp?) SHIT.[/b]

Unfortunately that is the way the industry wants it to go. More CEOs are getting invovled with the \"Give the 'artists' more money so they won't ask so many questions about acting/behaving a certain way\" business philosophy. And unfortunately that 'certain way' is to keep them depicting rap-artists as shallow, materialistic, violence-oriented, sexist Jokes. (which most of them now are, or are becoming.)
True Hip Hop is one of the most powerful artistic tools there is. It couples deep, broad conscious poems set to beats (these beats are the very foundation of music itself. Not everything with an electric percussion and synth is concidered rap music. Nor does all rap music require electric guitar/drums and synth.) The Roots is one of the greatest hip-hop groups ever. And they are a live band.
But the music is Secondary in true rap/hip-hop. (Commercially the music is the most important thing, because as long as you're 'bobbing your' head, you don't give a damn what the person is saying, which is the tail that all the shitty modern rappers are riding on. The whole Dre/50 Cent connection proves this.) But a truely Awe Inspiring rap can be lyricized over a beat on a trashcan.
To say rap holds no power and its just \"some black guy\" spitting out meaningless words means you don't understand the power of words. Edgar Allen Poe/Shakespeare/Martin Luther King weren't just \"Some guys with pens and paper.\" You'll hear the most intelligent, well thought out Truths in Hip Hop, written by artists who use Unfathomable blends of metaphors, tonguetwisters, speed, heartfelt emotions and a number of other impressive tactics in their rap music. You simply have to have access to their music..
..the sad part is that the system doesn't Want you to have access to their music. Industry-run labels supress the artistic freedom of rappers to keep them in the same stereotypical public view. And as the masses are bombarded with this onslaught of \"Kill my enemies while sellin dope to get more cheese so the bitches all wanna ride in my G6 while sipping Krystal (sp) and bathing in burberry cologne\" they look at all the good-talented-Positive-masterfully sculpted hip hop (the ones they make nearly impossible to discover) as ....\"too Positive.\" or \"I can't even understand what he's saying.\" So they go back to bumping \"Get Dough. Get bitches. Blast Techs.\" (Which in turn makes modern rappers more popular, and the CEOs happier. What a sickening paradox.)
There is a Whole World of hip-hop out there, mostly hidden underground. And of this Entire World, you'll only get to experience the filthiest ghettos of a Single City by listening to mainstream rap.

themindsi
If you are interested in rap music but are looking for something decent that's not all commercialized try Talib Kweli, Common, Kanye West, Dilated Peoples, Slum Village, (I also like) Shyne, Papoose, and Siagon.[/b]

You got good taste. 8)
The best way to find out about Real Hip Hop (the kind the material world Doesn't Want You to Hear) is to know someone that listens to it. Most people will go their entire lives without knowing what real rap is like, because they're force-fed the processed Bullshit thats made to blind you from what is still a Very Real and Powerful artistic phenomenon. (most of the best lyricists alive set most of their music to using wit to verbally DESTROY the bullshit artists you hear today. Hehe.)

Talib Kweli is probably my favorite artist right now. Also Mos Def, Common, Dilated Peoples, The Roots, Pharoah Monche, KRS-1, The Black Eyed Peas, Immortal Technique...the list goes on and on.

For all those that hate rap music...Check out those artists...and send me your letters of apology whenever you get around to it. I'm in no rush.



Oh..and about "not understanding what they are saying..." Once you find artists worth listening to, you'll play their songs over and over Making Sure you get damn near every word. That is the whole difference behind true Talent, and the Bullshit that you hear on the radio right before changing the station in disgust.

"Niggaz With Knowledge is more dangerous than Niggaz With Guns. They make the guns easy to get and try to keep niggaz dumb." ~Talib Kweli

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

People that know nothing about rap except the few BS songs they hear while flipping passed MTV or BET or talked about by their other rap-hating friends should learn not to make ignorant comments about a genre they know nothing about. Makes you look Really unintelligent.



Unfortunately that is the way the industry wants it to go. More CEOs are getting invovled with the \"Give the 'artists' more money so they won't ask so many questions about acting/behaving a certain way\" business philosophy. And unfortunately that 'certain way' is to keep them depicting rap-artists as shallow, materialistic, violence-oriented, sexist Jokes. (which most of them now are, or are becoming.)
True Hip Hop is one of the most powerful artistic tools there is. It couples deep, broad conscious poems set to beats (these beats are the very foundation of music itself. Not everything with an electric percussion and synth is concidered rap music. Nor does all rap music require electric guitar/drums and synth.) The Roots is one of the greatest hip-hop groups ever. And they are a live band.
But the music is Secondary in true rap/hip-hop. (Commercially the music is the most important thing, because as long as you're 'bobbing your' head, you don't give a damn what the person is saying, which is the tail that all the shitty modern rappers are riding on. The whole Dre/50 Cent connection proves this.) But a truely Awe Inspiring rap can be lyricized over a beat on a trashcan.
To say rap holds no power and its just \"some black guy\" spitting out meaningless words means you don't understand the power of words. Edgar Allen Poe/Shakespeare/Martin Luther King weren't just \"Some guys with pens and paper.\" You'll hear the most intelligent, well thought out Truths in Hip Hop, written by artists who use Unfathomable blends of metaphors, tonguetwisters, speed, heartfelt emotions and a number of other impressive tactics in their rap music. You simply have to have access to their music..
..the sad part is that the system doesn't Want you to have access to their music. Industry-run labels supress the artistic freedom of rappers to keep them in the same stereotypical public view. And as the masses are bombarded with this onslaught of \"Kill my enemies while sellin dope to get more cheese so the bitches all wanna ride in my G6 while sipping Krystal (sp) and bathing in burberry cologne\" they look at all the good-talented-Positive-masterfully sculpted hip hop (the ones they make nearly impossible to discover) as ....\"too Positive.\" or \"I can't even understand what he's saying.\" So they go back to bumping \"Get Dough. Get bitches. Blast Techs.\" (Which in turn makes modern rappers more popular, and the CEOs happier. What a sickening paradox.)
There is a Whole World of hip-hop out there, mostly hidden underground. And of this Entire World, you'll only get to experience the filthiest ghettos of a Single City by listening to mainstream rap.



You got good taste. 8)
The best way to find out about Real Hip Hop (the kind the material world Doesn't Want You to Hear) is to know someone that listens to it. Most people will go their entire lives without knowing what real rap is like, because they're force-fed the processed Bullshit thats made to blind you from what is still a Very Real and Powerful artistic phenomenon. (most of the best lyricists alive set most of their music to using wit to verbally DESTROY the bullshit artists you hear today. Hehe.)

Talib Kweli is probably my favorite artist right now. Also Mos Def, Common, Dilated Peoples, The Roots, Pharoah Monche, KRS-1, The Black Eyed Peas, Immortal Technique...the list goes on and on.

For all those that hate rap music...Check out those artists...and send me your letters of apology whenever you get around to it. I'm in no rush.



Oh..and about "not understanding what they are saying..." Once you find artists worth listening to, you'll play their songs over and over Making Sure you get damn near every word. That is the whole difference behind true Talent, and the Bullshit that you hear on the radio right before changing the station in disgust.

"Niggaz With Knowledge is more dangerous than Niggaz With Guns. They make the guns easy to get and try to keep niggaz dumb." ~Talib Kweli

Took the words right outta my mouth dude

^ ^ ^ Great response, very impressed. This actually made me smile. :bravo:

I really can't stand to listen to rap, most of the time. A lot of my mates are really into it (and they listen to "indie" rap, so it's not just the commerical shit I'm going against) , but I really can't get into it. I'm a fan of trip-hop and hip-hop beats (my main genre is breakbeat - a form of dance) and they heavily influence my producing.
As someone else said, Raponica (did i get it right? lol) is something I do like however. I recently purchased "Evil Nine's" brilliant album. Rap is good, when its not about killing people and when it's against a proper production job.

Originally posted by kichu
^ ^ ^ Great response, very impressed. This actually made me smile. :bravo:

And while we're on the subject, anybody wanna give me some crits on my latest rhyme?

http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/viewtopic....p=236602#236602

Phallam wrote:
I really can't stand to listen to rap, most of the time. A lot of my mates are really into it (and they listen to \"indie\" rap, so it's not just the commerical shit I'm going against) , but I really can't get into it. I'm a fan of trip-hop and hip-hop beats (my main genre is breakbeat - a form of dance) and they heavily influence my producing.
As someone else said, Raponica (did i get it right? lol) is something I do like however. I recently purchased \"Evil Nine's\" brilliant album. Rap is good, when its not about killing people and when it's against a proper production job. [/b]

I just wanted to say that Breakbeats and Hip-Hop are tied for first in my "most favorite genre" category. 8) I just got into producing and spinning records as a hobby and these are the two that I focus mainly on. I think it is good that a lot of hip-hop culture has made its way into (and helped spawn much of) electronica. (I don't think you'd ever hear me calling it Raponica, though. LOL) But yeah, Trip-Hop, Acid Jazz, Drum and Bass, House, Jungle, Breaks. I love how Hip-Hop has mixed in with all of these genres. Can you imagine Breaks without scratching or Hip-Hop samples? A lot of it just wouldn't be the same. Of course there is a lot of non-hip-hop related electronica out there, don't get me wrong, but I love the ecclectic stuff.

^ ^ ^ I think you would have a lot to talk about with my boyfriend. Same style, ideas, philosophy, etc. Check out his myspace:

http://www.myspace.com/ozzius

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50 cent in tah club YoYo.
Bitches and hoes

Tu-dududu

See my rolex
blingbling bolex

Shake that ass
Eat some bass!

Yo

Yo

Yo.

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Above is the average interlect of a song by 50 cent. 50 cent Raped what was left of rap-music.

I like Eminem, and the black eyed peas...i also am a fan of outkast. I wouldn't say i didn't like rap, i just don't like ALL of it...
I find i'm getting into what they call 'hip hop' i watched a great film called 'save the last dance' and that kinda made me think, opened my mind...
Eminem talks a lot of sense...i love his latest single, i'd love to get his album 'Curtain call'. I really hope he doesn't stop writing, i think he's a bit of a genius. I wish i could write and reach people like that...

Buck 65 ... thats all i got...

You spelt it wrong, You know how knife has a silent k? Well rap has a silent C.

Originally posted by Nirvana Starseed
You spelt it wrong, You know how knife has a silent k? Well rap has a silent C.

Hmmm..........lame.

I'm curious to know what rap you're specifically referring to. Can you provide artist names?

Originally posted by Nirvana Starseed
You spelt it wrong, You know how knife has a silent k? Well rap has a silent C.

Wow...that really WAS lame.

You know what I love about statements like that? In a group of people ignorant to the many dimensions of something like rap, an unfounded "follow the flock" laughter would emerge. A bunch of people sitting around laughing at their judgements of something they know nothing about, on deeper than an ultimately cosmetic level, in an attempt to place themselve higher than those interested in something they have no intention on taking part of. It's funny to them, because there is no one there to tell them how ignorant they are being. Try to be cute by doing that in front of people who are a little more aware about the subject, you'll quickly make rank as the "moron of the group."

Just something to think about.