Thread: Justin Bieber Christmas album

Yeah but Jesus is dead and he's never coming back.

Dec. 21, 2012

That's just the wedding date for Justin and Selena's wedding. It's going to be a whole new world.

A lot of the girls in my class only like Bieber because he's "cute", or whatnot. When I ask them why they like his music and songs, they say things like "because this song has a cool beat" and stuff.

But anyone can make a beat and write lyrics to it, but the lyrics in the majority of Justin's songs are uninspired and the same black-and-white words that a lot of other pop artists produce. So I think it has a lot to do with his appearance, given most of his fanbase consists of females (teens/preteens, nonetheless).

I could argue that rock music, metal and a good amount of other pop has good beats, but why do people listen to Justin? Perhaps it is the fact that people enjoy the shallow lyrics like "shawty" (among other phrases and words) more. The songs aren't heartfelt or passionate, and they are too kiddish.

Eenie, meenie, miney, mo
Catch a bad chick by her toe
If she holla
If, if, if she holla, let her go

She's indecisive, she can't decide
She keeps on looking from left to right
Girl, come a bit closer, look in my eyes
Searching is so wrong, I'm Mr. Right

^ Does that not seem a bit embarrassing to read, and repetitive?

I'm trying to see things from a totally third-party, objective point of view but it's hard given the above points.

Pop songs are repetitive a lot of the time, that's just the way they are. The classic Beatles song "Twist and shout" is extremely repetitive and shallow. The Beatles also started out with a mostly female fan base. I never hear a bad word about them though..

Well, shake it up, baby, now
(Shake it up, baby)
Twist and shout
(Twist and shout)

C'mon, c'mon, c'mon, c'mon, baby, now
(Come on baby)
Come on and work it on out
(Work it on out)

Well, work it on out, honey
(Work it on out)
You know you look so good
(Look so good)

You know you got me goin', now
(Got me goin')
Just like I knew you would
(Like I knew you would)

Well, shake it up, baby, now
(Shake it up, baby)
Twist and shout
(Twist and shout)

C'mon, c'mon, c'mon, c'mon, baby, now
(Come on baby)
Come on and work it on out
(Work it on out)

You know you twist your little girl
(Twist your little girl)
You know you twist so fine
(Twist so fine)

( From: TWIST AND SHOUT Lyrics - BEATLES )
Come on and twist a little closer, now
(Twist a little closer)
And let me know that you're mine
(Let me know you're mine)

Well, shake it up, baby, now
(Shake it up, baby)
Twist and shout
(Twist and shout)

C'mon, c'mon, c'mon, c'mon, baby, now
(Come on baby)
Come on and work it on out
(Work it on out)

You know you twist your little girl
(Twist your little girl)
You know you twist so fine
(Twist so fine)

Come on and twist a little closer, now
(Twist a little closer)
And let me know that you're mine
(Let me know you're mine)

Well, shake it, shake it, shake it, baby, now
(Shake it up baby)
Well, shake it, shake it, shake it, baby, now
(Shake it up baby)
Well, shake it, shake it, shake it, baby, now
(Shake it up baby)

Yes, but the Beatles were original in their musical outlooks and came from a time where people were experimenting with different styles. This isn't really happening today; people are using autotune as a crutch and a great deal of singers are using words like "shawty" and "w*****", being very sexist towards women, and talking about being in clubs and getting drunk.

(Sorry to be raining on your thread; if you'd like me to stop I can.)

Originally Posted by Puffin

Yes, but the Beatles were original in their musical outlooks and came from a time where people were experimenting with different styles. This isn't really happening today; people are using autotune as a crutch and a great deal of singers are using words like "shawty" and "w*****", being very sexist towards women, and talking about being in clubs and getting drunk.

(Sorry to be raining on your thread; if you'd like me to stop I can.)

Right, that is all very true of artists today. But if we are talking specifically about Justin Bieber, I have never heard him singing about sexist things, or being in clubs and getting drunk. Although a lot of artists do use auto tune as a crutch (people with no singing ability whatsoever, like T-Pain), Justin actually has a good voice and doesn't need it. He uses it because that's the style of pop music right now, and it sells.

You're not raining on my parade btw, I'm not like a huge fan of Justin Bieber or anything

Originally Posted by CRAZY BONE

Pop songs are repetitive a lot of the time, that's just the way they are. The classic Beatles song "Twist and shout" is extremely repetitive and shallow. The Beatles also started out with a mostly female fan base. I never hear a bad word about them though..

Hm, that's because the Beatles were some of the greatest musicians and poets the modern world had ever seen. Probably still are. That song probably helped them get heaps of fans, and those new fans could be influenced by their really creative and meaningful music. One bad song =/= horrible band/musician/singer.

I'm not saying Biebler couldn't make a good song either, I don't know if he could. But do you think those corporate fuckwits would let him do such a thing?
Justin Biebler is a brand, and the product is rubbish.

Originally Posted by CRAZY BONE

Right, that is all very true of artists today. But if we are talking specifically about Justin Bieber, I have never heard him singing about sexist things, or being in clubs and getting drunk. Although a lot of artists do use auto tune as a crutch (people with no singing ability whatsoever, like T-Pain), Justin actually has a good voice and doesn't need it. He uses it because that's the style of pop music right now, and it sells.

You're not raining on my parade btw, I'm not like a huge fan of Justin Bieber or anything

Haha, okay, cool. I was just hoping for an intelligent debate and nothing more.

So Justin would rather be a part of the herd than someone who really stands out? Whether someone is "made" to lose their originality by the record companies or they decide to lose it themselves, for that reason alone, I would refuse to listen to (or buy) that person's music. But from what I've learned, he allows himself to be overshadowed by the media and and his decisions in terms of music presentation are essentially not his own.

Most pop nowadays is just white noise and I've come to generalize it as such. I just don't want to listen to songs that all sound the same, and the fact that the majority of his fans like him for the wrong reasons (he's a musician, not a model or an actor) tells me something about this whole thing. I would revere him for stepping out of the herd and doing what he wants, writing what he wants... But, I'm positive that's not going to happen - why? Well, I watched a few documentaries (more like listened to my sister watching them) and heard him talk about how "this is musical freedom" and "everyone should aspire to be like this". I see a victim in mainstream music, and saying stuff like this, as if it's a wonderful thing isn't that good. I pity him, whether he is being forced to say this to keep up appearances" or he truly believes it.

Originally Posted by Puffin

Haha, okay, cool. I was just hoping for an intelligent debate and nothing more.

An intelligent debate about Justin Bieber. I find that really really funny.

Originally Posted by LikesToTrip

An intelligent debate about Justin Bieber. I find that really really funny.

Since when is the term "intelligent debate" (which happens to mean a relaxed argument) affected by its topic? I wasn't talking about Justin Bieber in terms of intelligence, rather defining what I'd like to see in terms of back-and-forth. Surely you understand this?

Originally Posted by CRAZY BONE

Pop songs are repetitive a lot of the time, that's just the way they are. The classic Beatles song "Twist and shout" is extremely repetitive and shallow. The Beatles also started out with a mostly female fan base. I never hear a bad word about them though..

The Beatles did not write Twist and Shout.

Originally Posted by Seroquel

The Beatles did not write Twist and Shout.

Well then that works for my comparison even further. Both Justin and the Beatles started their careers singing shallow repetitive lyrics not written by them, had a mostly female fan base, and were insanely popular. In the years to come I'm sure Justin will start producing his own work and will be hailed as a lyrical revolution, and an epitome of popular culture the world over. Then he'll inevitably acquire a Japanese girlfriend with saggy tits and get shot by a nut job wanting to steal his fame.

edit: Puffin, I pretty much agree with everything you said, except that I think Justin has a little more influence over his work than most people think. I wouldn't write him off as some puppet used by the record company like the way Jonas Bros were basically handled by Disney. I think Bieber will grow up to have a similar career to Justin Timberlake. I mean he's so much more talented musically than Timberlake ever was, and he's had such enormous success at this point, AND he's only 17.

Originally Posted by Seroquel

The Beatles did not write Twist and Shout.

Heh, I was just thinking about this thread after I made my last post and was like "wait, they didn't even make that song". Oh well, beat me to it.

They still do have a few generic (for the time) pop songs.

But they still shit all over anything that's written for mainstream pop "singers" these days.

Originally Posted by Puffin

Since when is the term "intelligent debate" (which happens to mean a relaxed argument) affected by its topic? I wasn't talking about Justin Bieber in terms of intelligence, rather defining what I'd like to see in terms of back-and-forth. Surely you understand this?

Religion and philosophy are topics worthy of intelligent debate. Not Justin Bieber... The idea of looking for an intelligent debate in such a mundane topic is humorous. If I were looking for an intelligent debate I would go talk to my roommates, not start posting in a Bieber thread. I find the idea quite silly, that's all.

Originally Posted by LikesToTrip

Religion and philosophy are topics worthy of intelligent debate. Not Justin Bieber... The idea of looking for an intelligent debate in such a mundane topic is humorous. If I were looking for an intelligent debate I would go talk to my roommates, not start posting in a Bieber thread. I find the idea quite silly, that's all.

Well, since this discussion has appropriate arguments and nothing silly on either side, I'd consider it intelligent. That's all.

Bieber just represents the monotony of current pop/mainstream music. The fact that people continue to listen to this dull, repetitive, cookie-cutter music is a great debate topic. Requiring intelligence, since the only people who would go against the mainstream and realise this, usually have some sort of intelligence.

Originally Posted by tommo

Bieber just represents the monotony of current pop/mainstream music. The fact that people continue to listen to this dull, repetitive, cookie-cutter music is a great debate topic. Requiring intelligence, since the only people who would go against the mainstream and realise this, usually have some sort of intelligence.

Musical tastes do not reflect intelligence. Do I really need to point out that calling mainstream music dull is simply your opinion? You keep acting like it's a fact. Guess what, I like Justin Bieber and non-mainstream/underground music what now?

Musicthatmakesyoudumb

Check that out.

Also, it is not an opinion. The music is repetitive, uncreative and boring, which = dull.

Originally Posted by tommo

Also, it is not an opinion. The music is repetitive, uncreative and boring, which = dull.

I don't know what you're trying to accomplish in this thread, but all you're really doing is showing your lack of understanding for the meaning of opinion.

Bring the Rain!

Who the fuck edited that shit? And I'm not talking about all the random clips from movies, look at how he gets shot in slow-mo and the gun is in his hand, then it cuts to another angle and both his hands are in the air flailing around without the gun. What a joke, the script supervisor should be fired.

Originally Posted by CRAZY BONE

I don't know what you're trying to accomplish in this thread, but all you're really doing is showing your lack of understanding for the meaning of opinion.

Since when did measurable things become opinion. You're not a postmodernist are you?
Repetitive = something recurring over and over again.
Uncreative = something which is not different or deviating from the norm.
Boring = something which has the previous two qualities.