Thread: PS3 or Xbox360

But PC gaming is still leagues better than any other gaming platform.

Funny how that works, huh?

Originally Posted by Auron

Pirating is part of the reason why PC games hit rock bottom so fast. It's also the reason why they get low sales. It's also the reason why I can't resale my game if I'm done with it. Console games cost more, but they actually have resale value which makes up for the price tag. I can also rent console games. PC games have the same resale value of underwear. Once you buy them, they're yours, and that's it.

While it is true that piracy happens more often on PC, a lot of your statements are incorrect. It has been proven a lot of times, that good games sell, bad games are pirated. Battlefield: Bad Company 2 is a good example of this.
About the whole reselling thing, publishers have actually said, that the reason they're putting anti-resale restrictions on their games, is because they don't want people to resell them. Publishers know by now, that stopping piracy is impossible. It can't be done. You can only prevent people from using the online features, which is what they do. But they can still easily prevent reselling. So they do that instead.

And they will do exactly the same on consoles eventually. It has already begun with initiatives like Steamworks.

Originally Posted by Marvo

But PC gaming is still leagues better than any other gaming platform.

Funny how that works, huh?

After how many patches right out of the box?

Originally Posted by Marvo

While it is true that piracy happens more often on PC, a lot of your statements are incorrect. It has been proven a lot of times, that good games sell, bad games are pirated. Battlefield: Bad Company 2 is a good example of this.
About the whole reselling thing, publishers have actually said, that the reason they're putting anti-resale restrictions on their games, is because they don't want people to resell them. Publishers know by now, that stopping piracy is impossible. It can't be done. You can only prevent people from using the online features, which is what they do. But they can still easily prevent reselling. So they do that instead.

And they will do exactly the same on consoles eventually. It has already begun with initiatives like Steamworks.

And this has almost no effect on the current plethora of games that are available for the PS3. We can still get online with used games, and the only thing that may be missing is a few weapons, or bonus character which can be purchased on their market. The PSP Go got discontinued because console gamers still want physical games. Until really good broadband becomes a standard in all areas, it's going to be that much harder to do. If the current or next generation completely gets rid of physical, reusable products they know they'll lose a lot of customers. But we should be discussing the present.

Originally Posted by Auron

After how many patches right out of the box?

This is becoming sort of a problem with consoles as well, now games can be patched, instead of having to remaster the disc and get that into the supply chain like in previous generations. Certainly I've noticed an increasing trend of day 1 patches.

The fact that you aren't interested in console gaming does not invalidate another person's use for a console. The insistence that "there can be only one" just demonstrates that your identity is far too wrapped up in things you own.

Plenty seem to fall into this. At the end of the day PCs and consoles are both good for gaming, and they both have their own strengths and weaknesses. A point which is very obvious to me, because I own both as I've previously said.

There are good things and bad things about each of the platforms, and there's no objective winner. It's a subjective decision that each individual consumer has to make for themselves. Personally, I'll stick to both my PC and my Xbox 360, and I'll readily acknowledge the strengths and weaknesses of both my own choices and those of competitors.

Originally Posted by Marvo

But PC gaming is still leagues better than any other gaming platform.

"My preferences are empirically superior to other people's preferences. Everyone else is just stupid."

Originally Posted by Taosaur

"My preferences are empirically superior to other people's preferences. Everyone else is just stupid."

Well I can only report anecdotal evidence, but nearly all people I've ever spoken to agree, that PC is the best platform.

Originally Posted by Marvo

Well I can only report personal anecdotes, but nearly all people I've ever spoken to agree, that PC is the best platform.

And from what I see, the ones that dont' agree aren't actually aware of what kind of a gaming platform the PC actually is.

Originally Posted by JussiKala

And from what I see, the ones that dont' agree aren't actually aware of what kind of a gaming platform the PC actually is.

The PC with all it's bells and whistles still wont allow me to play certain games just because they've never came out for that system. Madden 11, Ridge Racer Series, Kingdom Hearts, Gran Toursimo series, most fighters made by Capcom and Namco such as Tekken and the Vs. Series, hell Forza never came out on the PC...what's up with that? Now when it comes to the PC, the only games I wish that came out for consoles are the Diablo and Warcraft series.

I don't care how many frames per second a PC is pushing if it's not running the games I want to play.

Originally Posted by Marvo

Well I can only report anecdotal evidence, but nearly all people I've ever spoken to agree, that PC is the best platform.

Originally Posted by JussiKala

And from what I see, the ones that dont' agree aren't actually aware of what kind of a gaming platform the PC actually is.

The point is, you're creating a competition where there is none. No one gets a console to play PC games, or vice versa. I also prefer PC games overall, and haven't actually owned a console since the original NES, but when I do play on consoles, I play games that I wouldn't be playing on the PC, and I do it while actually (not virtually) hanging out with other people.

The fact that you aren't interested in console gaming does not invalidate another person's use for a console. The insistence that "there can be only one" just demonstrates that your identity is far too wrapped up in things you own.

Originally Posted by Taosaur

The fact that you aren't interested in console gaming does not invalidate another person's use for a console. The insistence that "there can be only one" just demonstrates that your identity is far too wrapped up in things you own.

That's quite an astute observation of JussiKala there Tao.
Couldn't have said it better myself.

Originally Posted by Taosaur

The point is, you're creating a competition where there is none. No one gets a console to play PC games, or vice versa. I also prefer PC games overall, and haven't actually owned a console since the original NES, but when I do play on consoles, I play games that I wouldn't be playing on the PC, and I do it while actually (not virtually) hanging out with other people.

The fact that you aren't interested in console gaming does not invalidate another person's use for a console. The insistence that "there can be only one" just demonstrates that your identity is far too wrapped up in things you own.

I never meant to say that consoles aren't a legitimate gaming platform. PC is simply superior.

I guess that's the difference between you and I. You want casual games. Nobody on PC really wants to play those games you mentioned, safe maybe Kingdom Hearts. Racers and fighters are fun, but they are probably the two genres that actually seem to work better on consoles than PC.

Originally Posted by Marvo

I guess that's the difference between you and I. You want casual games. Nobody on PC really wants to play those games you mentioned, safe maybe Kingdom Hearts. Racers and fighters are fun, but they are probably the two genres that actually seem to work better on consoles than PC.

How would racing games work better? On PCs, they run better, look better, and have more controller choices, such as a wider variety of steering wheels