DreamViews Podcast Suggestions

Maybe just a TOTM minisode while you're time-poor, CanisLucidus? :deal:

PLZ do shapeshifting

I quite liked the idea of non-spiritual DGs dream-experiences.

I see it too often that an awesome experience must = spiritual experience and I quite disagree with that, have had plenty of awesome experiences that don't relate to spirituality at all IMO.

Something I thought of that would be neat would be to have guests on for Ophelia and Canis to interview, like on a talk show. We have plenty of interesting members that this could be done with.

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Originally Posted by OpheliaBlue

Good idea! So just say like "question 1 about stabilization starts at 5:32" like that?

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That would be great, I think it's also possible to add chapters to a video/audio file. So you could just look at the duration bar and see a little marker for where each topic starts.

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Originally Posted by OpheliaBlue

I really wanted to make like an intro and outro tune for the podcasts. I'll ask CL next time we do one.

Listening to Kevin MacLeod's stuff and omg I wants...

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I love the idea of intro and outro music, it would add a really nice touch to the podcasts.

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Originally Posted by Hukif

I quite liked the idea of non-spiritual DGs dream-experiences.

I see it too often that an awesome experience must = spiritual experience and I quite disagree with that, have had plenty of awesome experiences that don't relate to spirituality at all IMO.

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I've been meaning to suggest something like this. I would love to hear a podcast about DGs and DC friends, for some reason that's a topic that's not talked of as much. I think it's really interesting, it's definitely one of my main dream goals. Too bad we can't get Hyu to be a guest on an episode.

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Originally Posted by Mismagius

Too bad we can't get Hyu to be a guest on an episode.

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I would love to hear from Hyu, can someone bring him back please!?

Maybe Hukif would like to do an interview on persistent realms?

So, Canis... hey, Canis... :poke:
How 'bout a podcast?

I like the idea of guests (especially hukif). Have mentioned to Canis before. But I just thought of something else Dreamer, why not an interview with you? Canis should be able to make the time for that and you could tell your whole LD story. :)

We're cooking one up.. soonish.

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Originally Posted by Sensei

I like the idea of guests (especially hukif). Have mentioned to Canis before. But I just thought of something else Dreamer, why not an interview with you? Canis should be able to make the time for that and you could tell your whole LD story. :)

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Aww Sensei, way to make a girl feel special! :D I'd be honoured to take part, if ever the opportunity arose!
I'm thinking of getting a new mic soon too, since Canis and I have been voice recording our DJ entries for each other lately.

I think you would make a great interview subject, Sensei! I have met very few dreamers who are as dedicated and diligent as you, and I still don't understand how you fit it all in to your busy schedule - it's truly inspirational!
I still have to reply to your PM, but I honestly think that what you said about time management and balancing giving/taking is some of the best lucid dreaming advice I have ever heard. Is that what your 5 page thread will be about?

Perhaps a podcast topic on motivation and positivity would be good - Sensei, PercyLucid, Canis and I could all talk about that one.

Some other people I would love to hear as guests:

- Sageous and sivason to talk about their extensive histories and experience with lucid dreaming

- IAmCoder to talk about the experiments he's doing with biofeedback and programming

- The Cusp and Mzzkc to talk about their perspective(s) on the nature of dream control

There are probably many more that I'm forgetting!

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Originally Posted by ~ Dreamer ~

Aww Sensei, way to make a girl feel special! :D I'd be honoured to take part, if ever the opportunity arose!
I'm thinking of getting a new mic soon too, since Canis and I have been voice recording our DJ entries for each other lately.

I think you would make a great interview subject, Sensei! I have met very few dreamers who are as dedicated and diligent as you, and I still don't understand how you fit it all in to your busy schedule - it's truly inspirational!
I still have to reply to your PM, but I honestly think that what you said about time management and balancing giving/taking is some of the best lucid dreaming advice I have ever heard. Is that what your 5 page thread will be about?

Perhaps a podcast topic on motivation and positivity would be good - Sensei, PercyLucid, Canis and I could all talk about that one.

Some other people I would love to hear as guests:

- Sageous and sivason to talk about their extensive histories and experience with lucid dreaming

- IAmCoder to talk about the experiments he's doing with biofeedback and programming

- The Cusp and Mzzkc to talk about their perspective(s) on the nature of dream control

There are probably many more that I'm forgetting!

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Thanks. :P I have no mic, so my sound quality would be really bad (ask Fryingman).

Thanks again! I also think that would be fun. I do have little free time, which always makes me want to sleep less, but that would be counterproductive. I am glad you think it is inspirational.

Motivation is something I am working developing, as without it, no one is here.

That would be some very good podcasts. I just thought of something interesting to bring up in staff. :3

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Originally Posted by Mismagius

I've been meaning to suggest something like this. I would love to hear a podcast about DGs and DC friends, for some reason that's a topic that's not talked of as much. I think it's really interesting, it's definitely one of my main dream goals. Too bad we can't get Hyu to be a guest on an episode.

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lol if you ever want to hear about DC enemies, tell me.

Other cool topics would be the dream-mapping, no?
What about craziest worlds visited? People could even post their stuff up.
Time travel? What time periods would people like to visit?
And with the shape-shifting topic, non-human senses. Different ways to go about the same power, fights cause I like those... don't know. Will check past podcasts to see whats been done already.

I'm digging the DC enemies thing.

I remember talking extensively on podcasts with CL about how emotions drive the dream, and how reacting negatively to antagonistic DCs can worsen the situation. However, it was either Zoth or dutchraptor that said that was all BS and I can't remember why, I'll have to look it up. SO it would make an interesting debatable topic for the next podcast in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by OpheliaBlue

I'm digging the DC enemies thing.

I remember talking extensively on podcasts with CL about how emotions drive the dream, and how reacting negatively to antagonistic DCs can worsen the situation. However, it was either Zoth or dutchraptor that said that was all BS and I can't remember why, I'll have to look it up. SO it would make an interesting debatable topic for the next podcast in my opinion.

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This would be a GREAT topic!
I am firmly in the camp of killing hostile DCs with kindness, since I've had great experience with that personally. I've written a brief explanation of why I think this works here:
http://www.dreamviews.com/general-lu...ml#post2103274
I think Sageous is on a similar page, perhaps he'd like to talk about it.

Although, I have also had quite a few 'lucid nightmares' where nothing I did seemed to work, and my intentions seemed to have no effect on the dream. Original Poster has given me some good suggestions that I'll try in future, to do with projecting positive energy, specifically sympathy, towards hostile DCs.

I greatly respect the opinions of both Zoth and dutchraptor, I've had very deep philosophical conversations via PM with both of them, so I would love to hear their reasons for disagreeing!

I kinda remember some thread where me or Dutchraptor (or maybe both?) defended the position that pacifist interaction with DC was given too much value and (this part was my) that it went against detachment between your waking and lucid self....oh yeah, I remember now, was an interesting thread xD

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Originally Posted by Hukif

lol if you ever want to hear about DC enemies, tell me.

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Yes please \o/

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Originally Posted by ~ Dreamer ~

I've written a brief explanation of why I think this works here:
http://www.dreamviews.com/general-lu...ml#post2103274
I think Sageous is on a similar page, perhaps he'd like to talk about it.

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Also yes please xD

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Originally Posted by OpheliaBlue

I'm digging the DC enemies thing.

I remember talking extensively on podcasts with CL about how emotions drive the dream, and how reacting negatively to antagonistic DCs can worsen the situation. However, it was either Zoth or dutchraptor that said that was all BS and I can't remember why, I'll have to look it up. SO it would make an interesting debatable topic for the next podcast in my opinion.

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Hey, I dug up the quote from dutchraptor I think that you're talking about! It was about whether or not it was a good idea to behave respectfully toward DCs.

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Originally Posted by dutchraptor

An important factor here is that the dream-scape isn't a reflection of yourself. It's the result of the part of the brain that produces dream-scapes, which as we all know produces meaningless junk 99% of the time, not exactly similar to your personality. Also there is no basis to say that disrespecting a dream character would be disrespecting yourself.

I think why people come up with this kind of junk is because they misunderstand the relationship between the conscious and subconscious. Dreams are largely subconscious expression, but this does not imply that they are reflections of ourselves. As the most intelligent race on the planet, our defining characteristic is that we can override unconscious decisions through conscious reasoning. What makes us who we are is that relationship. Compare that to a dream state where our consciousness is essentially being subdued. The entire dream scape can exist without a conscious thought, so in a lucid dream your added conscious should give you the benefit of not having to bow down to anything the subconscious is spewing out.

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Link to full post: http://www.dreamviews.com/dreamviews...ml#post2077558

I present this without commentary -- I'll save my thoughts on this for (the? a?) podcast! :goodjob2:

Ah thanks CL. There was some potentially contradictory information in that post, so hopefully we can sort through it in the next podcast.

it's gonna be like 5 more months, isn't it?

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Originally Posted by Jacob46719

it's gonna be like 5 more months, isn't it?

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For you, yes

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Originally Posted by CanisLucidus

Hey, I dug up the quote from dutchraptor I think that you're talking about! It was about whether or not it was a good idea to behave respectfully toward DCs.

I present this without commentary -- I'll save my thoughts on this for (the? a?) podcast! :goodjob2:

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Ha :cheeky: I appreciate the link. I actually prefer the next bit though, you see the half assed rant was referring to people who disregard the possibility of active dream control and assume you must role play to gain the confidence to assert yourself in a dream. While the first half of the post was just my interpretation of the situation (though definitely based on science) the second half is the important one because it outlines the relatively simple method I use to control everything in my dream.

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Originally Posted by dutchraptor

Here's some actual advice that will help you.
1) Dream Characters react differently depending upon the amount of conscious effort you put in to them. A dream character who you are not paying attention too will seem to do his own thing, wander, chat have emotions. The moment you focus solely on him, he becomes your puppet. The moment you aren't focused on something the brain amazingly takes over and simulates actions in such a way that you aren't forced to pay attention.
2) This is not a black and white circumstance. You can place any amount of conscious awareness on a DC. A DC may be doing his own thing, doing things that your brain knows people would do in such situation. Another level might be where you can witness the DC doing these things but you are not interfering. And the highest level would of course be where you fully control the DC.
3) Most importantly the key to utilizing dream characters is by understanding these mechanics. A dream character who is mildly in the background of your mind can be easily coerced by playing along, or just as easily coerced by making him do it through a mantra or dream manipulation.

The moment you understand these concepts and embrace them, everything in a lucid dream becomes easier. People restrict themselves with limits thinking that we ourselves aren't
the ones creating them. A dream character can be easily disrespected and still follow your command as long as you have confidence in your own power, your own consciousness.

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Here's how I see it
http://i61.tinypic.com/16rmf6.png
Most will never even try to reach the level at the right of the line. Not that it is necessarily more interesting, but it is certainly fulfilling and powerful. Based on my own experience it is certainly not necessary to ever bow down to anything in a dream if you do not wish too.

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Originally Posted by dutchraptor

Not that it is necessarily more interesting, but it is certainly fulfilling and powerful. Based on my own experience it is certainly not necessary to ever bow down to anything in a dream if you do not wish too.

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This part deserves highlight. I sometimes feel like detachment dream control (where essentially you do what you want) feels like playing a game with cheats: in the case of the dream, that's not necessarily bad, because you're not always trying to beat the game, you might just be aiming for a specific experience.
I found that the center of the spectrum (aka, your second rectangle) is more helpful towards exploration, or when the outcome of your dream goal isn't relevant, and the right side of the spectrum (last rectangle) is more useful when you're trying to achieve a specific result. I remember failing dream tasks precisely because I was in "let's play along mode" and I'd take ages to actually do what I wanted xD

Also, to add to what you said, I still think that giving too much in to your personal identity in a dream can sometimes screw things up: In a dream, no one is your father, sister, friend, enemy: they are merely projections created by a mind that serves you during your wake state. In a lucid dream, you're free to (re)create your self once again. Ignore this fact, and you'll have troubles with issues of morality and self-consciousness. This particular thread is something that should be encouraged to every beginner: you need to detach from your waking self in order to advance in dream control. I remember that our old DG leader (Matt) was pretty good at this: unfortunate would become the DC who tried to confront him ahaha xD And now I lost my train of thought 0o

Hmmm... Interesting bit here. I agree a lot with being able to assert dominance over a DC or just over objects in a dream and not having to follow any rules if you don't want to. I think that the most fun forms of dream control come from making rules and restrictions of your own. So in this way you are bowing down to your own rules. Full control to get your own limited control.

No middle ground? Why not?

Have you guys tried looking at extremes?

I always do that experiment in order to evaluate the middle ground, so here is a small extreme example:
"You kill and rape DCs in every dream in the most perverted way you can think of until the mind no longer cares about deaths; next step is you go on a killing rampage in waking because why not it isn't going to make you feel bad right?" This got several flaws obviously, like the dream world not being real and the lucid dreamer knowing this since they are lucid plus a bunch of other things. One would need to be mentally ill to begin with for this to pose a problem. Now onto the other extreme.

"Doing immoral actions in dreams will make you lose touch with moral actions in reality, even if it is in your mind; likewise even THINKING or READING about such immoral behaviour will make you an immoral person because it is still in your mind, in fact we should ban thoughts until they can be regulated properly" Yep, also wrong everywhere in there. If you argue that an event in the mind is immoral, then the extreme can also be argued. Then even as much as thinking it is wrong, but we all know that you can't know happy without ever being sad and viceversa. So if you aren't shown what is wrong how will you ever know it is wrong? We need also a mental illness here?

Anyway yeah, thats what I do in order to look at things in a less biased way.

Onto "level of dominance", I am of the idea that having absolute control is the most. boring. thing. ever. Seriously where is the fun in that? I enjoy dream fighting a lot, so when I had absolute power it was like "thinks the enemy dead, so it is" I could also predict their every move and make them do anything I wanted, as well as change the world in any way I wanted and yeah... no challenge, no being creative, no fun.

And so, I used that absolute power to properly weaken myself and then create a world where rules would exist at, without me being able to over-throw them. Growing in such a world to be able to defeat even the omni-me from the past is IMO much more fun and rewarding than just going around doing whatever I want to do because hells yeah!!!! Not to mention, it is fun to revisit worlds and then see how the DCs developed without me having to actively think in that lol

That is role-playing, but I am not sure where in the line that would fall at? Either way, its fun things to ponder about.

Woah, sorry if I made it sound like you have to bow down to DCs. All I ever remember saying was that if I had an aggressive DC (like a bear biting my hand), if I got all panicky or started battling him like crazy, it usually made it worse. Giving something in a lucid dream extra attention seemed to make it exist more. But if I wanted it to go away, I just would do something else and focus on something else, instead of giving him all the attention. I even did the same thing with blankets and sheets that wouldn't let me out of the bed. I think when Dezz quoted something about "respecting DCs because they are a part of you" I took it to mean all that ^^ what I said. Not that you have to be a slave to your subC in order to have any control in your LDs.

But yeah, this will be good stuff for the podcast! Lots of excellent view points here to bring up.

Naw not at all, although I do believe some people lean towards the extremes like that.

But lol I would totally eat the bear in that scenario and move on with the dream. Different ways of dealing with agressive DCs, I like that.

These pod casts were very enjoyable to listen too. The dream blindness really helped me out, cause It used to be a common problem due to me wearing a sleeping mask.

Glad to hear they're on the verge of a come back, can't wait :goodjob:

An idea for the podcasts if they return: take a few inutes, could be 3 or as much as 15 (it is a flexible option), to briefly recap some of the more interesting or active threads that have popped up on the forum since the last update. There are a lot of sub forums, and a lot of threads, and I don't always have time to go through them all every week or every month. Plus, sometimes the thread titles aren't always the best. It would be super helpful on the podcast is someone could just quickly describe what is happening. No need to go through everything said on the thread. For example, kit could be pointed out that "in sub forum X last week there was a thread on the ethics of actions in lucid dreams. Topics included things like, is having sex with a celebrity in your LD on purpose cheating on your spouse?"

That way, people who might be interested in the topic, but who don't have time to sift through all the threads or who did but missed something, could be alerted to the thread.

It would be useful and interesting for most listeners. And a great pro is that it could take as much or as little time as the podcast hosts want. There is flexibility in how many threads get pointed out each time (only 2 or 3 total, or 4 or 5 from each sub forum?), and also how much detail they go into.