Need advanced dream Interperetation.

[aesthetic]

Since I was a child, as long ago as I can remember; Feels like my first memory. Complete White space not multidimensional a 2d grid of nothing. 2 angles appear at the farthest sides of my peripherals 90 degree angles like so: L ┘ They slowly grow closer, zooming in my vision with the lower line heading towards eachother. -------> <------- I never see them meet, once the crack of intersection almost meets vision zooms out and it repeats. This happens at a continually excelling rate, firstly; Very slow, the y then propel too inexplicable speeds. It's a very scary dream and cant really be compared too anything I have experienced before.

[blackbirdrising]

That makes me wonder if your remembering (over and over again) the falling sensation you experienced during your own birth, and the fear associated with leaving the complete protection of the womb. You said you feel as thought its your first memory. Almost as if its the souls entrance into the body.

[JoannaB]

I really like blackbirdrising's interpretation. I think it's viable. An alternative idea: since these are angles in a 2d space traveling at high velocity which is a very conceptual imagery, I wonder whether this could be a reflection of a very conceptual brain: perhaps the area in your brain that is capable of understanding math and physics and symbols and such is very well developped within you, and it was interacting with your dreams giving you very conceptual images. This conceptual thinking is very different from empirical reality that you experience with your senses, and this is scary. This may be a reflection of your fear of the unknown, your fear of your own thoughts, fear of being different and more conceptual. What do you think? Does this sound like it may be it? It could only be a correct interpretation if it sounds right to you, but if it feels wrong, feel free to ignore.

[TiredPhil]

I once drank some oil by mistake, that had gone off. Sent my brain spinning, like I had overdosed. I barely made it to bed, then passed out. I found myself in a similar situation, but was floating in black space. There was a huge grid in front of me, a bit like in the picture, but each frame seemed to have a different image. I started floating toward the middle of the grid, but said " I am having too much fun here, I would like to stay " I was then allowed to come back to reality, and woke up. The room was spinning, and it took me over an hour to recover from the dizzyness. Not been able to work that one out either. Capture.JPG

[JoannaB]

TiredPhil, in your case I wonder whether your brain was trying to translate an unknown chemical reaction into images? Trying to make sense of this new chemical reality which did not make sense to it?

[fiftybirds]

TiredPhil, in your case I wonder whether your brain was trying to translate an unknown chemical reaction into images? Trying to make sense of this new chemical reality which did not make sense to it? this is a colloquial but fairly accurate phrasing of my thoughts re: tiredphil & the OP i've experienced dreams similar to this myself and i've been told similar dreams by other people & aside from the thematic similarities they've all had one thing in common -- they occurred under circumstances of great physiological stress -- generally high fevers. high temperature alters the function of enzymes and other chemicals involved in cognition & the control of cognition and all the other wonderful things the brain does. it also does this to the rest of the body, increases the metabolic rate, etc... an in-depth description of these dynamics is well beyond the scope of this thread, or anywhere besides a medical journal really. the point is that the brain is not functioning like it normally does. despite this, during waking life our cognitive experience would remain fairly normal. we would obviously feel very tired, a little disoriented, generally dysphoric and incapable of sustained mental effort, but we probably wouldn't be delirious or having florid hallucinations. this is because (again, greatly simplifying) the higher areas of the brain inhibit some of the activity of the lower ones, so the anomalous activity that's going on is restrained from affecting higher consciousness. during sleep, many of the higher structures are "turned off" so to speak... commonly reported in fever dreams are vast geometrical structures and strange, indescribable feelings -- especially of fear. both of these are present in the OP's dream and I believe they correspond directly to the physiology of the fevered brain the feelings/sensations i would conjecture are releases of baser animal emotions. the visual images are a bit more interesting... similar geometric patterns can arise in hallucinations and chemically altered states and they are ubiquitous having been found in art from across the world... they are called form constants and they are believed to be manifestations of the algorithms that determine visual perception within the brain. the neurological disinhibition caused by fever + unconsciousness could likely result in the presence of these patterns free of higher-level visual perception. so i don't believe that the content of the dream holds any meaning or personal significance, although it's quite the interesting insight into the mechanisms that underlie consciousness. the most notable fact is that these dreams are recurring. the brain and body are intensely complex systems, no two fevers are the same: even if they recur under the same circumstances, those physiological circumstances would not explain having the same dream. what i believe happened is that the original dream had a formidable impact on your psychological state and it recurs in the presence of certain stimuli because, as with certain memories, the sensations and emotions associated with it were incredibly strong. now, you don't specify when these dreams recur. are they random or do they appear, as i suspect they do, under periods of stress? i am thinking that this dream (or the memory of this dream) could have come to symbolize feelings of fear, helplessness and anxiety for you -- because the first time you experienced it it generated these feelings in you, and to this day you find it incomprehensible. i assume as well that it was a fever dream and so it's likely associated with memories of illness -- you may have this same dream every time you are ill for that reason. i believe that analyzing the circumstances under which this dream recurs will lead you to a greater understanding of your own attitudes towards the outside world as well as insights into your own mind. this interpretation may not have been exactly what you were looking for but i hope you're able to find my insights valuable in some way. edit: holy crap, that was way longer than i thought! okay tl;dr: sounds like a childhood fever dream, content isn't important, but the fact that it's recurring is.

[aesthetic]

I really like blackbirdrising's interpretation. I think it's viable. An alternative idea: since these are angles in a 2d space traveling at high velocity which is a very conceptual imagery, I wonder whether this could be a reflection of a very conceptual brain: perhaps the area in your brain that is capable of understanding math and physics and symbols and such is very well developped within you, and it was interacting with your dreams giving you very conceptual images. This conceptual thinking is very different from empirical reality that you experience with your senses, and this is scary. This may be a reflection of your fear of the unknown, your fear of your own thoughts, fear of being different and more conceptual. What do you think? Does this sound like it may be it? It could only be a correct interpretation if it sounds right to you, but if it feels wrong, feel free to ignore. This makes sense as well as all the other responses; Like I said I have had it since I can remember so meaning isn't really prevalent too me. Though, ideally I can see myself being afraid of my own thoughts. Im actually very bad at math too so I cant say that's correct either, but I can say 'I do fear 'nothing."

[Superman1]

Other alter natives: aesthetic White space looks like a positive space you were in, which contradicts the fear. Perhaps you thought of 2 angles on something, or 2 sides, or opposites seems more likely, that you zoomed in on, but never the twain (the two, almost like twin) shall meet. Maybe either you could never resolve the 2 angles into one, or opposites can never meet. Sounds like duality, even its its most basic form in a kid. And it's very scary, and repeats after zooming out. So one side might be fear. It might even be a kid having trouble accepting his own existence, maybe focusing your own mind seems impossible, or coming to terms with duality, so after each failure you repeat at a ridiculous rate. Can that equate to fear of nothing if it was that? The white space may be opposite nothing. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~ TiredPhil What about one word different on JoannaB's: : trying to translate an unknown mental reaction into images? Unless you did mean that. All the images in your mind in a grid, meaning all connected yet separate, forming a whole or wanting to (maybe similar to the first dream). Yours seems negative based, due to feeling like a drug overdose, losing reality. Maybe then you felt you wanted to centre yourself, or get back to control which is where the centre is. But you had too much fun being outta control!!

[JoannaB]

No, I meant chemical, but mental could work, too. How about chemical and mental?

[TwoCrystalCups]

Oh God, i remember having this as well, and it's not a dream, you only see this with eyes closed and in a very steady state of your self. It actually annoyed me much and made me open my eyes again and actually making me cross eyed at the time.

[JoannaB]

Oh God, i remember having this as well, and it's not a dream, you only see this with eyes closed and in a very steady state of your self. It actually annoyed me much and made me open my eyes again and actually making me cross eyed at the time. Hathor, which one do you say had a very steady state of self, aesthetic as a little child or TiredPhil after drinking oil? In some ways I do believe that children may have a better sense of self than adults because the complications of life do not yet interfere with it, but a dream which instills a feeling of fear and is all about rapid movement and approach without ever meeting, all that does not say "steady state of self" to me, but if it does to you, please explain, I would be glad to hear a different point of view. In TiredPhil's case I doubt drinking oil is likely to lead to a steady state of self, unless ... Perhaps the self realized that it was in danger and as a result some pieces fell into place in defense or in preparation for possible death? Is that what you are suggesting? If not, please explain.

[TwoCrystalCups]

I mean i had this when younger, not now, i don't get this anymore. It's not a dream, it;s only when you close your eyes and just lay there steady on the bed, it does have a feeling of "moving or your own self moving or slipping" and your body is still. If you don't understand, then you didn't have this when you was a child.

[aesthetic]

I mean i had this when younger, not now, i don't get this anymore. It's not a dream, it;s only when you close your eyes and just lay there steady on the bed, it does have a feeling of "moving or your own self moving or slipping" and your body is still. If you don't understand, then you didn't have this when you was a child. Your talking about something really subjectively with assurance; Though I understand the state of trance your referring too, this does not really show relativity too my own understanding of the experience. Im talking, pure white en-clouding my entire vision with nothingness (something that's already controversial too closed eyes.) On top of that, I still get this to date and only occurs in my dreams never in reality. Not during my sleep paralysis inductions Not during meditation Not during drug endeavors I prowess occasionally

[TwoCrystalCups]

Not during my sleep paralysis inductions Not during meditation Not during drug endeavors I prowess occasionally never did any of this when i was much younger, i only got into meditation when i was 12.

[aesthetic]

Thats why im saying your wrong about It's not a dream, it;s only when you close your eyes and just lay there steady on the bed, it does have a feeling of "moving or your own self moving or slipping" and your body is still. If you don't understand, then you didn't have this when you was a child.

[TwoCrystalCups]

Well maybe i experienced it without the need to dream, maybe i was becoming aware of things relating to dream and sleep state.

[aesthetic]

Perhaps, Im just saying the thoughts from my "episodes." I cant control the event I notice thought; But cant grasp it, like meditating but much different almost like it's absent of all life in that single moment. A nightmare ya cant control ya know?

[Casdalb]

I didn't read this post intending to relate to it, but wow, that brought back a flood of memories that I had forgotten. I remember a similar dream that I had when I was much younger. I'm talking maybe 5 years old. Maybe not exactly the same as yours, but it had a lot of the same aspects. It was like I was standing in a black nothingness, and these white lines, or more 90 degree angles like you described, came in from the sides and were kind of surrounding me. I had this dream on two or three separate occasions. I don't remember what more happened, because the memory is just a quick flash of sight and emotion. But I do remember how it felt, and it was terrible. It was a fear I used to have as a child that I never was able to successfully explain to anyone. It only happened in certain dreams I had, and at certain times in my waking life where a strange background noise would almost come in and drown out all sound. The best way I can describe it is that it felt like the Universe was angry at me, and each new sound I heard was "angry" at me. These episodes in waking life would never last more than several minutes, but they were always terrible. As the years passed I got over them, and towards the end I wasn't really afraid of the feeling, I just despised it. I don't think I had the feeling again after I was 12 or so. I guess this probably doesn't help you at all, but thank you for helping me remember a forgotten childhood memory, even if it involved some weird stuff. I would be really interested to know how many other people have had dreams about anything like these moving angles.

[aesthetic]

Im glad I could help and too find someone relatable on such a weird dream. Which is also wierd because why would this be the dream people all over the world have felt, especially in adolescents?

[travellight27]

I don't think it's so scary.....White space is the background, meaning the setting or dream stage is in a place or mindset of purity. the two angles or points of view come into view, which really speak of opposing but perhaps equally valid viewpoints in life. Perhaps the dream is about you accepting others having an equal point of view, with both having equal value, rather than one outweighting the other. It was White Space....meaning just maybe respecting all points of view.

[aesthetic]

I don't think it's so scary.....White space is the background, meaning the setting or dream stage is in a place or mindset of purity. the two angles or points of view come into view, which really speak of opposing but perhaps equally valid viewpoints in life. Perhaps the dream is about you accepting others having an equal point of view, with both having equal value, rather than one outweighting the other. It was White Space....meaning just maybe respecting all points of view. The fear, was incited out of such a mindstate; Unable too create anything from nothing. It felt like a prolonged timeframe. I like the 2 angles concept "meaning just maybe respecting all points of view." I acknowledge points of view and see with a degree of understanding, so maybe I just lack respect on them? Ill try meditating on this tonight and ill be back with (edit) EDIT

[ElizVanZee]

Seeing nothing but a completely white space or area wound indicate looking at a subject area about which you are very innocent – meaning also very lacking in knowledge and naïve. The all white space or area can also reflect your “field or scope of vision”, i.e. the extent to which your ability to see and understand reaches. Again, innocence applies to all you can see and understand. By particularly noting the space as being not multidimensional but rather like a 2 dimensional grid, it implies not seeing a subject area, or not seeing what is within your field of vision, as it would be when falling within God’s dimensions (3D) and thus satisfying God’s requirement of “a logical idea”. In this dream, vision or memory this would pertain to the innocence in which the angles are being seen. The two 90 degree angles can simply refer to the angle or the perspective being used within your field of vision. As one angle is to the far left and one to the far right, they would refer to a perspective that is completely in the right and one completely in the wrong. If the angles were placed so that the one on the right is slightly higher than the one on the left, it would also indicate that the perspective that is very correct should have more priority than a perspective that is very wrong. It would also indicate that a correct perspective comes of a higher level of intelligence. Where much innocence prevails, these opposite perspectives are being brought to appear of an equal level of intelligence as well as simply suggesting that they can be aligned with each other – perhaps even suggesting that what is right can co-exist with what is wrong or that there is little difference between the two perspectives. Or, suggesting that nothing is all right or all wrong as would be implied when at their farthest distance apart. Yet here this alignment never does happen. The excelling rate at which the attempt to bring the two sides together can suggest an increasing intensity in the effort to blur the line - the crack of intersection – that exists between what is a correct and what is an incorrect perspective. It is as if the effort to align the two perspectives becomes more and more desperate. This should be seen as scary. Dreams of this nature can come to a child because of the nature of the beliefs or pattern of thinking that has been inherited. Often such scenes are a warning of the type of thinking that the child’s mind might become subjected to. Here this is something that the True Self would regard as very scary.

[JoannaB]

As a left handed person I strongly object to the association of right as in correct with right in terms of position, and left with wrong and incorrect. There is nothing wrong with the left side! Of course, my husband would claim that my position is very sinister, but he too has the right-handed person's bias. The word for the opposite of left and for the opposite of incorrect just happen to be the same in the English language, but that is not the case in all languages, and thus this is a culturally specific bias. And even if they were the same in all languages, it would just mean that this was a wide spread human bias, but not shared by all people because some people do not believe that left is wrong. If I were to dream of something being to my left, I would interpret that to mean that it was more conveniently located.

[aesthetic]

The 2 angles were at equal degrees rather then 1 being higher then the other like the petty example I gave. JoannaB is spot on " I would interpret that to mean that it was more conveniently located. " I personally have no preference, I am right handed but am ambidextrous on most tasks I perform and find no difference between the 2.