Thread: Would learning to control dreams help you control psychadelic trips?

Discuss...

All apologies if this has been discussed before, which it most probably has. I'll eat a bar of soap if it turns out to be me who brought it up.

This is actually the sole reason I decided to get into lucid dreaming. A brief history: I heard about it in '06, never really tried it seriously ("oh I'll do it later"). Then in May this year I started watching a ton of Terence Mckenna videos. I decided I wanted to take shrooms again, started reading shrooms literature again... and then arrived at, literally, story after story of bad trips. This only made me remember my last trip - I blacked out, essentially not existing for 5 hours while occasionally 'phasing' into an incredibly hazy (and terrified) dream-like consciousness. I read these stories and the horror of that night began creeping under my skin.

So I decided I would get into lucid dreaming to aclimate myself to 'weird shit' so that the next time I took shrooms I wouldn't freak out when reality melted away and my consciousenss was absorbed into the pulsating frequencies of the universe leaving my body an empty and delirious husk for 5-6 hours

Originally Posted by CanceledCzech

This is actually the sole reason I decided to get into lucid dreaming. A brief history: I heard about it in '06, never really tried it seriously ("oh I'll do it later"). Then in May this year I started watching a ton of Terence Mckenna videos. I decided I wanted to take shrooms again, started reading shrooms literature again... and then arrived at, literally, story after story of bad trips. This only made me remember my last trip - I blacked out, essentially not existing for 5 hours while occasionally 'phasing' into an incredibly hazy (and terrified) dream-like consciousness. I read these stories and the horror of that night began creeping under my skin.

So I decided I would get into lucid dreaming to aclimate myself to 'weird shit' so that the next time I took shrooms I wouldn't freak out when reality melted away and my consciousenss was absorbed into the pulsating frequencies of the universe leaving my body an empty and delirious husk for 5-6 hours

Huh...

Did it work?

Originally Posted by CanceledCzech

This is actually the sole reason I decided to get into lucid dreaming. A brief history: I heard about it in '06, never really tried it seriously ("oh I'll do it later"). Then in May this year I started watching a ton of Terence Mckenna videos. I decided I wanted to take shrooms again, started reading shrooms literature again... and then arrived at, literally, story after story of bad trips. This only made me remember my last trip - I blacked out, essentially not existing for 5 hours while occasionally 'phasing' into an incredibly hazy (and terrified) dream-like consciousness. I read these stories and the horror of that night began creeping under my skin.

So I decided I would get into lucid dreaming to aclimate myself to 'weird shit' so that the next time I took shrooms I wouldn't freak out when reality melted away and my consciousenss was absorbed into the pulsating frequencies of the universe leaving my body an empty and delirious husk for 5-6 hours

Doing too much is absolutely terrible. My friends band played a gig and three of us got a hotel room cause it was out of town. Bought a giant bag and ate them all. Worst time of my life.

I'm sure if you're able to master or even partially control your lucid dream, it HAS to have some type of positive effect while tripping. I'm actually going to keep this in mind. I'm sure if I / anyone else becomes better at lucid dreaming, there will be increased memory and understanding of the actual trip (depending on what you took. I usually trip on salvia)

We should start documenting this. I wish there was more research on this particular subject.

I'll be conducting some research tomorrow night

Alright awesome It would be amazing if we could like master/control our trips. It would be like a literal REAL lucid 'dream'.. But I doubt that's possible. But I would think you could control the trip to some extent if you are good/familiar with the state of lucidity.

Originally Posted by Blackichan

Doing too much is absolutely terrible. My friends band played a gig and three of us got a hotel room cause it was out of town. Bought a giant bag and ate them all. Worst time of my life.

Set and Setting is important. If you were in a safe space to go within your mind it would've been better, I bet.

Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut

Set and Setting is important. If you were in a safe space to go within your mind it would've been better, I bet.

Oh for sure that makes a big difference. I've talked to people who have done some before going out to a bar. No chance in hell I'd ever do that. I find tripping on shrooms is better when your out in nature. Doing them at my friends cabin always ends in a good time.

I failed to be able to control my psychedelic trip, but I believed that I was controlling everything around me and that everything I was perceiving was a figment of my imagination. Everything in the world collides and meets at NOW

Originally Posted by CanceledCzech

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So I decided I would get into lucid dreaming to aclimate myself to 'weird shit' so that the next time I took shrooms I wouldn't freak out when reality melted away and my consciousenss was absorbed into the pulsating frequencies of the universe leaving my body an empty and delirious husk for 5-6 hours

Or you could just take low doses.

Honestly, some of my life's best and most rewarding experiences (experiences, not just psychedelic trips) have been on 1.5g or so, and nothing more. Low doses of mushies are so underrated!

Eat a gram or two, take a walk in nature on a beautiful day, and you will feel more alive than you've ever felt before. Least it's that way for me.


I would only start approaching the 3+ gram range after quite a bit of low-dose experience. Or perhaps approach it if you feel no effects whatsoever from 2 grams.


That is also probably an effective way to practice control too.

I'm not sure, but the converse hasn't been true for me. Good control on hallucinogens hasn't particularly improved my dream control.

First post woohoo!

I had a curious thing happen to me regarding tripping and lucids.

The first time I ever tripped shrooms I did it at around noon. That night I had my first lucid dream. The amazing part is that I had been trying to have a lucid dream before for about two months. I believe there is a connection. While trippin I remember telling my friend that I felt like I was in a dream. Psychedelic mushrooms raise the amount of serotonin in your brain, giving you the trippy effect. When you sleep your serotonin chemicals change to melatonin. Melatonin helps you dream, and makes your dreams more vivid.

I think taking the shrooms helped me have my first lucid, because when I took the shrooms they raised the serotonin levels in my brain, then that night I had extra melatonin, making my dreams vivid and easier to recognize as being dreams. And I believe the feeling is very similar. Practicing control in either area could possibly help control in the other.

I would imagine you wouldn't wanna control your trip at high dosages. Rather take a JUST hallucinogenic dose, a threshold dose, and see if you can push it a bit further. Get deeper than you should on that dose, probably through meditation. Focusing on it intently.

I've thought about this before too and I asked a guy once whether you can and he said he could control trips. But he was very experienced apparently. The control I was more thinking was like lucid dream control. For instance shooting lightning out of your hands or throwing energy balls or morphing a tree in to your subconscious and talking directly to it etc. He reckons he could do it. However he could have just been bullshitting. But I think if it is possible, which it probably is coz it's all generated by the mind anyway, as far as we know, you would have to start with threshold doses and work your way up to higher doses. Heroic dose would probably just be too much for anybody to stay lucid period.

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