Thread: Advanced Vision Control Tutorial

Advanced Vision Control

I wasn't sure exactly where to put this so if it needs to be moved feel free to move it to where it needs to go. The goal of this tutorial is to enhance the amount of control a lucid dreamer has over his/her senses both while dreaming and also while awake.

Ok I would like to start by saying that almost everything I have learned about controlling my senses has been learned from personal experimenting on my own. Because of this I do not have near as many terms for things as I will after being on this site for a while but I will do my best to explain things in a way that can be understood.

This technique when mastered allows you to have complete control over all of your senses while either dreaming or awake. I believe that practicing this technique while awake will carry over and allow you better control while dreaming if you are already able to become lucid. This technique is my own personal way of manipulating my senses that has been slowly developed over a period of around 15 years. I will include information on all of the senses at some point but for now I will focus on sight because after getting good at controlling what you see the rest should fall into place fairly easily.

The Technique
The technique is simple enough. Basically what you are doing is directly overiding the images your brain sees. This is easiest to do while dreaming because your eyes are not picking up any light. While awake the less your real eyes see the easier it is to cause yourself to see whatever you want to see. With a bit of practice you can easily trick your brain into seeing something that is not there. I am also not talking about mere visualization which allows you to see images within your minds eye but instead any images you create should be seen as if they were actually there. One thing I would like to warn you about is after you are able to consciously exert control over your senses you may have issues with your subconscious creating things on its own. At a certain point these subconscious hallucinations could end up being a very bad thing. Ever heard of schizophrenia? Most likely the worst won't happen just be aware that if you practice this method of control it may open a door for your subconscious mind to create objects or entities that while real to you may not actually exist.


While Awake

Step One - See The Canvas
When you first start practicing I suggest trying either in a dark room with your eyes closed or wearing a blindfold. Make sure that your eyes are not picking up a lot of light. What do you see? Really pay hard attention to what you see. You should see very small dots that may look something like static or small pixels on a computer screen. Do you see any colors or movement? I see these all the time. The few people I have taught this technique to reported not noticing anything at first but then upon further inspection they were all able to see what I am talking about. My theory is that anyone can see this but most people will automatically tone it out and not notice it.

If you can't see anything then try closing your eyes, placing your palms against your eyelids and exert a small amount of pressure. You should see a lot of movement and colors even though your eyes are shut and there is no light to pick up. Try to recreate the same effect without exerting pressure on your eyes. You should probably try doing this at least one time but do not do it regularly. Your goal is to reproduce the strange visuals you get from putting a small amount of force on your eyes but without having to touch your eyes. After you get this down I would not suggest putting too much or for too long the pressure against the eyes because that may be bad for your eyes. You just need to learn to create the same things that caused you to see by using your mind.

Step Two - Paint With Your Mind
After you have managed to see the static each of these small particles can each be manipulated by your mind. This is the first and hardest step to using this form of sight manipulation. It is also the hardest to explain. It's similar to training a muscle that you have never really controlled before. Try turning them into a certain color or bringing them together to form simple shapes. You may not have much luck at first but if you keep trying you should get better.

You can use visualization to help but the object here is not to merely see an image in your mind. If done correctly with little to no light interfering you should be actually seeing an image. Try looking at an image on your computer screen. Stare at it for about 10 seconds then quickly close your eyes and observe what you see. You should be able to see the image for a while before it gradually fades away. If my technique is done correctly then you should be able to form images completely on your own that should look similar to what you just saw with the picture. At first the images you produce may be very hard to create and may be a bit blurry but you will become better as you practice. To use visualization as an aid, first picture any image in your mind and hold it there. This image can be used as a blueprint to fill in the actual image you want to create. Try to create those particle things I talked about and then color and shape them to match the image. If you are getting better at this then by holding the blueprint in your mind you should be able to fill it in easily by just allowing the pixels to kind of get sucked into the image making it solid.

If you are having trouble getting it do what you want keep this in mind. Telling yourself you know a group of particles are blue and in the shape of a circle won't work. You need to find out how to directly manipulate them. You have to manipulate them simply by doing it. It's like lifting your arm. You don't look at your arm and ask it to move.. you just move it without thinking too much into it. My technique should be done about the same way.

After you get the basics down try forming more complex images. Try forming images that move. Just experiment with it and try to give the images overall better quality.

Step Three - Expanding Your Canvas
If you think you have the skill down pretty well and you can create more complex images without light interfering then start trying to do the same exercises but gradually add in more light. Start off in a dimly lit room with your eyes open. When you paint an image into the air that you can see, you should also be able to see the dimly lit room at the same time. While you see both at the same time you can work on the ability to focus on only one imput.. Your imput. Solidify the image in your mind until you can only barely see the room you are in. Then slowly bring the real world imput back up until you can see the room again. Doing this regularly will increase your control.


While Dreaming
After you get better at your control while awake you can try bringing it into your lucid dreams. While in a dream using this method you can fairly easily control everything that you sense. While your eyes are open you can modify whatever you are currently seeing just by using the technique described above kind of like when Neo from the matrix started getting good at his powers. I'm talking about things like the scene where he was jumping into people and making walls bend and such.

For another way to apply this to a dream you can swiftly change anything in the environment or even everything in the environment merely by closing your eyes, creating a blueprint in your mind, and then solidifying the image using the technique. Open your eyes to find yourself looking at whatever changes you wanted to make. With some practice you should be able to do this instantly. The only thing that should take some time is deciding what exactly you want to do. For me I usually skip the eye closing part I just constantly manipulate all of my senses to have the dream I want. I still use a blueprint on occasion though when it comes to creating more advanced objects. Like maybe I will practice splitting my focus and create as many chess boards as I can floating in the air. I would also create enough people to have as opponents and I will give them each a slightly different play style.

After the game starts keeping up with where all of the pieces are can really start to hurt your brain but the more you push yourself the better you will get. The craziest I got with that exercise while managing to not forget positioning of the pieces at all was when I played against 30 opponents at the same time. To get to where you can do that all you have to do is start low maybe play against a single opponent for a while and then add just 1 opponent. When you get to where you can handle the current number of opponents add another opponent and just keep repeating.


Ending Notes
I have much more advanced techniques I can get into including info on the other senses but for now this is the basics of this advanced vision control tutorial and should be all you need to get started as well as all you need to start expanding your mental abilities. The exercises should help get you to where you will be able to handle a second much more advanced tutorial. Feel free to ask any questions and I will attempt to answer them as best as I can. Any comments are also welcome.
For questions and comments ect either just reply to this thread or send me a pm. I have my email on my phone so anytime someone posts on one of my threads it gets emailed to me and sent to my phone so I can probably get to your questions soon even if I'm not online.

I hope that the information I will be giving on this site will be useful to someone.

-Written By
-Mylynes


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I am going to start something similar to a class where people who want to get seriously into this can contact me at any time. If you would like to join and be a part of this group just join the thread I created for the group here:
http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...87#post1132587

What do you have to say about the other senses? I read that you might continue this tutorial to include such.

I can reproduce 'information' that any of my senses sensed and recreate it so it acts on its own. I don't control it consciously. It just moves or sounds on its own. Songs, noises, people, smells, tastes, textures.

Originally Posted by PR0G4P4RV18

What do you have to say about the other senses? I read that you might continue this tutorial to include such.

I can reproduce 'information' that any of my senses sensed and recreate it so it acts on its own. I don't control it consciously. It just moves or sounds on its own. Songs, noises, people, smells, tastes, textures.

It would take me a while to write tutorials but yes I do plan on writing them. But would think the easiest way to learn would be to for now focus on the information and exercises that I have posted. Work on controlling your sight first because after you get good with your site it makes things a lot easier when it comes to learning how to manipulate all of the senses.

You see I have much much more to teach and instead of having a really long tutorial with everything for those who want to get into my techniques you need to learn certain things in a certain order to learn in the fastest way possible. I think I'm going to make a practice thread where people who really want to learn how to do this can join and be able to receive help along the way from me as needed.

If you are having trouble getting it do what you want keep this in mind. Telling yourself you know a group of particles are blue and in the shape of a circle won't work. You need to find out how to directly manipulate them. You have to manipulate them simply by doing it. It's like lifting your arm. You don't look at your arm and ask it to move.. you just move it without thinking too much into it. My technique should be done about the same way.

Telling yourself (even out loud) might actually help you start to see the image. In Image Streaming, you create a feedback loop by speaking out loud the things you want to see. Seeing it, saying it, and hearing it all at the same time help reinforce the realism of the scene, jump starting your visualization. Of course, Image Streaming is fundamentally different from what you are talking about (you are still using your mind's eye), but the same principals should apply.

I've actually had some experience with what you are talking about. Have you tried using a Ganzfeld device? Even a simple one made from ping pong balls would work.

Originally Posted by Robot_Butler

Telling yourself (even out loud) might actually help you start to see the image. In Image Streaming, you create a feedback loop by speaking out loud the things you want to see. Seeing it, saying it, and hearing it all at the same time help reinforce the realism of the scene, jump starting your visualization. Of course, Image Streaming is fundamentally different from what you are talking about (you are still using your mind's eye), but the same principals should apply.

I've actually had some experience with what you are talking about. Have you tried using a Ganzfeld device? Even a simple one made from ping pong balls would work.

This technique is not quite what you think it is. Telling yourself something is there can make it appear with visualization but with this form of control visualization isn't even needed and just telling yourself and trying to believe it's there will do you no good because this involves creating a real image by manipulating the system that allows you to see real objects. Its hard to explain this very well but its almost like training a muscle that you have not been accustomed to using. If I want to lift my arm no amount of visualization or trying to make yourself believe it is moving will move it for me. A signal has to be sent from the brain to actually move the muscles in my arm. This technique works the same way as sending the message to move my arm. You have to get your brain to create a real object. Real.. although it will only be real to you as nobody else will be able to see your creation.

Right now my eyes see everything in this room including this screen. Lets say I don't like my monitors color. It's just a normal black flatscreen monitor. Now after using my technique my monitor actually looks pink. I could leave my room come back and it would still be pink. If someone else comes in and I ask what color it is they will say black but i'm looking at a pink monitor right now.

To do that I manipulated my sight to see what I want to see. Someone just tapped me on the shoulder then hissed at me.. and now nobody is behind me. Nobody ever was behind me. I actually create all of these sensations and they look and feel REAL. I can summon a guy in my room and tell him to punch me in the face.. and it would really hurt if he did. This is not the dreaming world. This is what I have turned my own reality into. A mix of the two. After many years of playing around with this kind of stuff.

I agree vision is an important part of dream control. If you're interested, I wrote a short piece on it as well. http://dreamviews.com/community/show...&postcount=159
Could have sworn I wrote a second part to that, and advanced version, but I can't find it.

And you have to check out this vid about visual representation systems.



But what is this doing in beyond dreaming?

Originally Posted by Mylynes

This technique is not quite what you think it is. Telling yourself something is there can make it appear with visualization but with this form of control visualization isn't even needed and just telling yourself and trying to believe it's there will do you no good because this involves creating a real image by manipulating the system that allows you to see real objects. Its hard to explain this very well but its almost like training a muscle that you have not been accustomed to using. If I want to lift my arm no amount of visualization or trying to make yourself believe it is moving will move it for me. A signal has to be sent from the brain to actually move the muscles in my arm. This technique works the same way as sending the message to move my arm. You have to get your brain to create a real object. Real.. although it will only be real to you as nobody else will be able to see your creation.

Right now my eyes see everything in this room including this screen. Lets say I don't like my monitors color. It's just a normal black flatscreen monitor. Now after using my technique my monitor actually looks pink. I could leave my room come back and it would still be pink. If someone else comes in and I ask what color it is they will say black but i'm looking at a pink monitor right now.

To do that I manipulated my sight to see what I want to see. Someone just tapped me on the shoulder then hissed at me.. and now nobody is behind me. Nobody ever was behind me. I actually create all of these sensations and they look and feel REAL. I can summon a guy in my room and tell him to punch me in the face.. and it would really hurt if he did. This is not the dreaming world. This is what I have turned my own reality into. A mix of the two. After many years of playing around with this kind of stuff.

That sounds like a visualization/ self induced hallucination, to me. You should look into other kinds of self induced hallucination, like the ones I mentioned. I think they might compliment your method well. At the least, they will give you a better first hand understanding of how your mind interacts with your senses.

it is awesome to find someone else doing advanced lucidity (while conscious or not)...since usually when i try to explain my advanced techniques to others, either people don't understand or dont' believe...or they automatically just write me off as crazy.

i recently posted about my newly found programatic lucid approach here: http://dreamviews.com/community/showthread.php?t=80267 have you ever done things like that? (see my second post half way down)

bow,
doktor J
http://www.doktorj.ca

Originally Posted by doktorj

it is awesome to find someone else doing advanced lucidity (while conscious or not)...since usually when i try to explain my advanced techniques to others, either people don't understand or dont' believe...or they automatically just write me off as crazy.

i recently posted about my newly found programatic lucid approach here: http://dreamviews.com/community/showthread.php?t=80267 have you ever done things like that? (see my second post half way down)

bow,
doktor J
http://www.doktorj.ca

I read your post and yes it seemds pretty familiar to me. I was also able to produce vivid hallucinations as a young kid and then have worked on control off and on for around 15 years. I've become good at controlling all sorts of sensory input to the point where I can pretty much completely disconnect myself from reality and go to a place of my own creation that feels just as real if not moreso than the real world.

I just read a wikipedia article that explains things pretty well as far as this tutorial goes. Although I have taken these controlled hallucinations to a much higher level and have not used any drugs to accomplish this. Here is the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed-eye_hallucination

Originally Posted by Mylynes

If you can't see anything then try closing your eyes, placing your palms against your eyelids and exert a small amount of pressure. You should see a lot of movement and colors even though your eyes are shut and there is no light to pick up. Try to recreate the same effect without exerting pressure on your eyes. You should probably try doing this at least one time but do not do it regularly..... After you get this down I would not suggest putting too much or for too long the pressure against the eyes because that may be bad for your eyes

When I was a kid I used to love to do this.It was so cool to look at. Is it realy bad to do this often? Or is this just something our parents tell us, like the 'ol "If you keep your eyes crosed like that, they will stay that way!"....

Originally Posted by ethan_hines

When I was a kid I used to love to do this.It was so cool to look at. Is it realy bad to do this often? Or is this just something our parents tell us, like the 'ol "If you keep your eyes crosed like that, they will stay that way!"....

I haven't really looked it up but it doesn't seem like it would be a good idea to do that often or for long periods of time. The second part of the tutorial allows you to create closed eye hallucinations which means you can reproduce the visual from that and much more without needing to physically stimulate your eyes. You may find this article interesting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed-eye_hallucination

hi, i wanted to as a few questions as this week i made my self hallucinate my eyes were open i had what looked like a never ending pattern going down a tunnel, at first i thought was odd but i just went with it, i noticed after a few miniutes i could change the colour of the pattern and then wondered if i could change the pattern then realised i could zoom in onto select points and after 5 mins of moving around the pattern i stopped concenrating and the pattern went back onto its never ending pattern, tunneling inside its self. at that point i wondered of far i coould take it decided to make an object i instantly chose a cube a blue one rotating i made it with ease but as soon as anything came into my head that wasnt a cube it was a fast zoomout turning the newly formed cube into the everlasting pattern, at that point i gave up trying to do anything and just relaxed, then i saw some things with great detail like i was stood somewhere else completely, firstly i coould see a street with some houses and trees outside them i took notice of the houses i could see the curb the grass around the tree the tree it self, ( i thought however at the time maybe it was one house one tree but like the never ending pattern was repeating its self because i couldnt control it) after watchin this street for a while in my room from my head, i suddenly had a flash of the all seeing eye like in the one off the dollar bill. i am writing this to see what anyone thinks of it any feed back would be nice. i also had another extreme thing happen to me just a week b4 i am thinking this all has something to do with it maybe not but anyone giving me information that is usefull i will tell the story of what happened the week b4 not anyone would believe me so i think will save for people who may be able to help with these sorts of thoughts. peace and muchlove xx

dimitri:

you may want to see my semi-recent and detail post on this topic here: lucid vision crafting part I... - Dreamcatcher ( Life is a dream. )

any feedback/suggestions/ideas encouraged.

sweet lucidity,
j

dimitri:

you may want to see my semi-recent and detail post on this topic here:

lucid vision crafting part I... - Dreamcatcher ( Life is a dream. )

any feedback/suggestions/ideas encouraged.

sweet lucidity,
j

Mylynes was one of the most weird and terrifying dreamers I ever met/battled on the Dream Plane. I heard he's now working as a government psychic.

This is really, really intriguing. I'm going to try it out. And I never really noticed the static that's there when there's no light! I always saw colors, but it seemed like they were just floating in plain blackness. Now I can see that it's like a constantly moving mass of "pixels," like you said.

EDIT: Right after posting this, I tried manipulating the static into a yellow circle. I got the yellow part, but can't seem to confine the pixels to one space. This is challenging!

practice and meditation help wonderzZz...

There is a meditation exercise where you are supposed to look at an flame, object on the computer screen etc. and focus on the after image. The goal is to keep the after image in your mind longer and longer, until you eventually can do it indefinitely. Here is a website describing the meditation and some figures you can use to do the actual meditation www dot navaching dot com/hawkeen/micro.html

I'm thinking that maybe tweaking this meditation method to could be an alternative way, or a supplement, to learn the techniques in this tutorial. Instead of only keeping the image in your mind, try to change its color, size and rotate it, but perhaps only after getting good at keeping the image in your mind.

What do you think?

One thing that seems to work for me is to first practice the meditation exercise in my previous post for maybe 10-20 minutes, then put on my mindfold goggles and switch to Mylyn's tutorial. I find it easier to see many bright "pixels" when doing it this way.

I can now make some basic shapes like a square, but it's still a bit fuzzy, for example I find it hard to make completely straight edges, and I can't keep it for very long until it changes into something else.

This is a very good article , I actually do this as part of my meditation . Not only does it help with mental focus but implementing this technique when your lucid will can also stabilize the dream when it starts to blur/fade out .

Let me see if I've got this right:

Whenever you want, you can imagine a warm beach completely vividly and real just as you would be there. You can feel the warmth, hear seagulls, touch the sand etc.

Right?

I have been practicing something called "Image Concentration" from a book called Liber Null by Peter J. Carrol. A couple days ago, I had a shape burned on to my eyes from the sun. I stared at a blank wall with my eyes open, and was able to change the color of the shape to bright red!

Now when I'm doing the afterimage meditation I'm able to keep the image in sight until I reach level 2 on the closed-eye hallucination scale described in Wikipedia. It takes me 3-5 minutes of focusing on the afterimage, and focusing on my breath as needed to still any internal dialogue, to reach this stage.

Closed-eye hallucination - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I find that reaching level 2 here with the afterimage still in sight is helpful, because the afterimage works as a template where for me to fill in with the colors that are flashing by my closed eyes. The colors tend to move around a lot and the afterimage helps me have somewhere to move them to hold them still.

Since I read this thread, while I was going back in time (when the post was made) in the posts, and it was pretty far back - I didn't post my modest achievement.
But since this thread is now here - I'll post what I wrote to Mylynes in a private message in 12,2011. Gotta say that since then there was no progress; but maybe it'll be a help to others in the research.

"Sometimes I have, sort-of a spot in the field of vision that becomes brighter and brighter; until it's bright white; and than fades away. It takes a few seconds, and it's pretty rare.
So the first time when I tried to make something happen in the noise (what you called "the canvas"); while trying to WILD that thing started.
As it was becoming brighter, I tried to turn it into a square; and when it became bright, it turned into a perfect square; when it's naturally shapeless!
I think it's a progress. What do you think about it? Nothing like that have ever happened to me."

(End of quote)
Worth to mention that I was trying to see the square (and other shapes) for a few hours before it happened. It also didn't happen after that instance; even in that day; even if maybe I had the spots again.
I haven't been working on that for hours since then; maybe that's why it didn't happen again.
The spot thing is pulsing, and so did the square; I think it's pretty much like the same "material" as the regular noise, but some "hitch in the system" makes one spot brighter. Don't know if it happens to others.

Interesting, MrAccident

I usually have a bright spot, or field, of light, which starts of as diffuse, then after a while it gets sharp edges. The spot is pulsating and the color mostly changes between blue, red and whiteish. Sometimes the spot is round, then it usually becomes smaller and until it disappears, after it disappears it comes back big again going smaller and smaller and so on. Sometimes it changes from a round spot to move of a field, so it has one sharp edge which is either vertical and horizontal, this edge generally move in a single direction for a while, for example it can move to the left until it disappears from the left side of my field of vision, only to appear again on the right side and then continue moving left. When I see the "spot" as a field with an edge, it's kinda like if I was watching the light of a lighthouse with my eyes closed.

Sometimes when the light is a round spot I can make it stop changing size so much and make it a bit more stable. I've been able to make the shape change somewhat like a square, but the edges are jaggy, it's not a perfect square.

Is that spot something similar to your spot, MrAccident?