Thread: Advanced Vision Control Tutorial

Originally Posted by Mylynes

So yes you can do things such as block out pain. Just like the visual training you can train yourself to raise your own input over that of the feeling of the pain. When I first joined the navy and wasn't in the best condition we would be doing a lot of physical training and my body started really feeling the stress of overtraining because using this technique even though I would push through the pain and not feel much of it and keep pushing past the point where my body would go completely numb I would continue using the technique until the rest of the workout would be done. So even though I could not feel most of the pain my body still ended up getting damaged. By using this technique over your senses you can greatly increase your physical strength and endurance temporarily but would take a good bit of practice and if you push yourself too long or too hard you can really mess up your body.

Yeah I would be careful with controlling pain, because most of the time it is there for a good reason. If you're doing it for something like working out, you're putting a major strain on the central nervous system, and it could mess you up in the long run. I think the body has a pretty good control on pain though, if you are hurt and need to ignore it your body gives off adrenaline. All the other times it's a good warning to stop what you're doing or you'll damage your body.

So I am curious of the end result of this. A controlled hallucinogen seems like it would be cool, but is it fun? Lets say you're going for a run through a field of soft grass, can you make it so you feel like you're running through clouds in the sky or something? Could you pretend to shoot fireballs out of your hands and catch trees on fire? How far can this be taken!

I'm interested in hearing the answer to Sruplord's questions. I would imagine it could be done. If all 5 senses can be tapped into anything can be done, right?

Mylynes, you said earlier you could turn your monitor pink, leave the room and return and it would still be pink. Would this apply to everything? if you put yourself onto a beach with all 5 senses, for example, after the initial effort would you remain there, or does a certain level of concentration need to be maintaned? Also, what if someone from the real world tried to interact with you? Would this person appear in the 'beach scene', would you hear them, or be aware they are there?

Also, how interactive is this? must everything be conscous or would your mind fill in the blanks? If you were, for example, to replace the visual of a wall with whats behind it (making it invisible in effect), would you see the image behind the wall 'update' as you move around changing your line of sight?
If you walked towards the wall could you still touch it, since you only adjusted your sight, not your touch?

Also, in the case of the beach scenario, lets say you had all 5 senses tapped into the beach and you were sitting on sand, but there was a rock to your left. If you were to touch the rock, would you feel it, or would the effort need to be consciously made?

Sorry for lots of questions, I'm really interested in this. I don't know if all of what I'm asking is even possible to do, but for now I'm making the assumption it is so i can put my questions across more easily.

again, thanks in advance.

hi mylynes.
when I stare at plane surfaces I can see the so called visual snow.
is that good? can I use it to get better at controlling my vision? how?

I don't understand what you are saying. Plane surfaces? Visual snow? Huh?

Originally Posted by Syruplord

So I am curious of the end result of this. A controlled hallucinogen seems like it would be cool, but is it fun? Lets say you're going for a run through a field of soft grass, can you make it so you feel like you're running through clouds in the sky or something? Could you pretend to shoot fireballs out of your hands and catch trees on fire? How far can this be taken!

Anything you can imagine you can create with your mind. When you completely cut your senses off from the real world you move around by controlling your senses to make yourself believe you are moving around however you want and your actual body would not be moving. How far can this be taken? As far as you want. You can get as creative as you want as long as you have good control over your senses. I personally like modifying my own body. Manipulating all or your senses including proprioception you could place multiple eyes in strange places and connect them to your vision to increase your visual input and see through many eyes at the same time. You can give yourself extra limbs and be able to feel everything with them. You can completely mutate your body to become as small or large as you want or to take on any shape you want. With practice you can control senses that humans do not have such as echolocation. Normal human senses can be manipulated and taken to a much higher level than would be possible in the real world.

Mylynes, you said earlier you could turn your monitor pink, leave the room and return and it would still be pink. Would this apply to everything? if you put yourself onto a beach with all 5 senses, for example, after the initial effort would you remain there, or does a certain level of concentration need to be maintaned? Also, what if someone from the real world tried to interact with you? Would this person appear in the 'beach scene', would you hear them, or be aware they are there?

It normally requires a certain amount of concentration to keep these hallucinations intact but there is a technique I use to better solidify these hallucinations so that they take little to no focus to maintain. If a person from the real world tried to interact with you while you have yourself cut off from the real world they would not be noticed by you unless they create input stronger than the level of sensory control you are exerting in which case you would be able to feel a punch to the face for example or hear loud noises ect. As long as the input you create is higher than your real input all you notice is your own sensory input.

Also, how interactive is this? must everything be conscous or would your mind fill in the blanks? If you were, for example, to replace the visual of a wall with whats behind it (making it invisible in effect), would you see the image behind the wall 'update' as you move around changing your line of sight?
If you walked towards the wall could you still touch it, since you only adjusted your sight, not your touch?

In many cases your mind will fill in the blanks for things but my approach to manipulation of my senses requires constant effort on my part although the more you practice the easier it is to maintain control over your senses. You can sense anything you want to sense. You could see whatever you want on the other side of a wall and can even walk through it or merely completely remove the wall from your mind. Of course you wouldn't be able to physically move through the wall and although you can see anything behind the wall you will still be unable to sense what is actually there. If you know the layout of the building well then you can replicate it with your mind but you would still not be seeing actual objects from the real world.

Also, in the case of the beach scenario, lets say you had all 5 senses tapped into the beach and you were sitting on sand, but there was a rock to your left. If you were to touch the rock, would you feel it, or would the effort need to be consciously made?

It depends. If you are awake and inducing a hallucination then all of your senses involved need to be consciously controlled. You can however use this technique in a dream in which case you could take a much more passive approach and still manipulate what you want to.

Ok, thanks for the response Mylynes, the effort is appreciated.

I'm going to work at this some more tonight. I haven't got far, but I think the progress I'm making is ok (I got the coloured 'waves' that can sometimes be created intentionly and i can occasionly alter the colour, but nothing too bright. I do occasionly have trouble distinguishing between what I'm actually seeing and what I'm imagining, since i tend to do this while I'm lying in bed and usually start to fall asleep.)

If I run into any problems i'll be sure to leave you a post on your other thread

mylynes:
visual snow is this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noisy_vision

also, I was thinking, you know that when you stare at a light for some time and then close your eyes, you will still see the light ...can this be used for practicing? I mean, trying to control it...you know



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Originally Posted by Mariano

mylynes:
visual snow is this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noisy_vision

also, I was thinking, you know that when you stare at a light for some time and then close your eyes, you will still see the light ...can this be used for practicing? I mean, trying to control it...you know



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I am not sure but I don't think so. All you have to do is first see the canvas and then learn to manipulate your visual input.