Advanced Vision Control Tutorial

it is awesome to find someone else doing advanced lucidity (while conscious or not)...since usually when i try to explain my advanced techniques to others, either people don't understand or dont' believe...or they automatically just write me off as crazy.

i recently posted about my newly found programatic lucid approach here: http://dreamviews.com/community/showthread.php?t=80267 have you ever done things like that? (see my second post half way down)

bow,
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Originally Posted by Ceonsamea

Ah ok, awesome.

I have a question. Can this technique be applied as a way to consciously block pain?
Also, what level of concentration is needed to perform this, or does it all depend on the amount of practice and familiarity with the technique? Does a busy envionment make it more difficult to perform or does it have very little impact?

And another question, how long would you expect it to take to complete this tutorial, realising that it varies from person to person of course?

Thanks in advance.

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Both the more familiar you are with the technique and your level of concentration are important. The practice to learn this technique will also increase your concentration. The way this works is you focus on increasing your own sensory input while simultaneosly decreasing your focus from the input from the real world. As long as the strength of the images is stronger and brighter than your normal visual imput you will be able to have controlled hallucinations. That is why the visual technique is best learned starting off in a dark room. A person then in practice works on increasing the amount of light they can manage to paste images over. The other senses work about the same way.

So yes you can do things such as block out pain. Just like the visual training you can train yourself to raise your own input over that of the feeling of the pain. When I first joined the navy and wasn't in the best condition we would be doing a lot of physical training and my body started really feeling the stress of overtraining because using this technique even though I would push through the pain and not feel much of it and keep pushing past the point where my body would go completely numb I would continue using the technique until the rest of the workout would be done. So even though I could not feel most of the pain my body still ended up getting damaged. By using this technique over your senses you can greatly increase your physical strength and endurance temporarily but would take a good bit of practice and if you push yourself too long or too hard you can really mess up your body.

I'm not really sure how long it will take for people to get through this tutorial. It took me around 15 years to get to where I am now but it only took me about a month to get one of my close friends pretty good with this technique. I don't know how long it would take a person to get to the level of control I have over my senses with this technique but I know it would take a lot less time than it took me.

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Originally Posted by doktorj

it is awesome to find someone else doing advanced lucidity (while conscious or not)...since usually when i try to explain my advanced techniques to others, either people don't understand or dont' believe...or they automatically just write me off as crazy.

i recently posted about my newly found programatic lucid approach here: http://dreamviews.com/community/showthread.php?t=80267 have you ever done things like that? (see my second post half way down)

bow,
doktor J
http://www.doktorj.ca

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I read your post and yes it seemds pretty familiar to me. I was also able to produce vivid hallucinations as a young kid and then have worked on control off and on for around 15 years. I've become good at controlling all sorts of sensory input to the point where I can pretty much completely disconnect myself from reality and go to a place of my own creation that feels just as real if not moreso than the real world.

I just read a wikipedia article that explains things pretty well as far as this tutorial goes. Although I have taken these controlled hallucinations to a much higher level and have not used any drugs to accomplish this. Here is the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed-eye_hallucination

hi mylynes.
when I stare at plane surfaces I can see the so called visual snow.
is that good? can I use it to get better at controlling my vision? how?

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Originally Posted by Mylynes

So yes you can do things such as block out pain. Just like the visual training you can train yourself to raise your own input over that of the feeling of the pain. When I first joined the navy and wasn't in the best condition we would be doing a lot of physical training and my body started really feeling the stress of overtraining because using this technique even though I would push through the pain and not feel much of it and keep pushing past the point where my body would go completely numb I would continue using the technique until the rest of the workout would be done. So even though I could not feel most of the pain my body still ended up getting damaged. By using this technique over your senses you can greatly increase your physical strength and endurance temporarily but would take a good bit of practice and if you push yourself too long or too hard you can really mess up your body.

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Yeah I would be careful with controlling pain, because most of the time it is there for a good reason. If you're doing it for something like working out, you're putting a major strain on the central nervous system, and it could mess you up in the long run. I think the body has a pretty good control on pain though, if you are hurt and need to ignore it your body gives off adrenaline. All the other times it's a good warning to stop what you're doing or you'll damage your body.

So I am curious of the end result of this. A controlled hallucinogen seems like it would be cool, but is it fun? Lets say you're going for a run through a field of soft grass, can you make it so you feel like you're running through clouds in the sky or something? Could you pretend to shoot fireballs out of your hands and catch trees on fire? How far can this be taken!:D

I'm interested in hearing the answer to Sruplord's questions. I would imagine it could be done. If all 5 senses can be tapped into anything can be done, right?

Mylynes, you said earlier you could turn your monitor pink, leave the room and return and it would still be pink. Would this apply to everything? if you put yourself onto a beach with all 5 senses, for example, after the initial effort would you remain there, or does a certain level of concentration need to be maintaned? Also, what if someone from the real world tried to interact with you? Would this person appear in the 'beach scene', would you hear them, or be aware they are there?

Also, how interactive is this? must everything be conscous or would your mind fill in the blanks? If you were, for example, to replace the visual of a wall with whats behind it (making it invisible in effect), would you see the image behind the wall 'update' as you move around changing your line of sight?
If you walked towards the wall could you still touch it, since you only adjusted your sight, not your touch?

Also, in the case of the beach scenario, lets say you had all 5 senses tapped into the beach and you were sitting on sand, but there was a rock to your left. If you were to touch the rock, would you feel it, or would the effort need to be consciously made?

Sorry for lots of questions, I'm really interested in this. I don't know if all of what I'm asking is even possible to do, but for now I'm making the assumption it is so i can put my questions across more easily.

again, thanks in advance. :)

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hi mylynes.
when I stare at plane surfaces I can see the so called visual snow.
is that good? can I use it to get better at controlling my vision? how?

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I don't understand what you are saying. Plane surfaces? Visual snow? Huh?

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Originally Posted by Syruplord

So I am curious of the end result of this. A controlled hallucinogen seems like it would be cool, but is it fun? Lets say you're going for a run through a field of soft grass, can you make it so you feel like you're running through clouds in the sky or something? Could you pretend to shoot fireballs out of your hands and catch trees on fire? How far can this be taken!:D

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Anything you can imagine you can create with your mind. When you completely cut your senses off from the real world you move around by controlling your senses to make yourself believe you are moving around however you want and your actual body would not be moving. How far can this be taken? As far as you want. You can get as creative as you want as long as you have good control over your senses. I personally like modifying my own body. Manipulating all or your senses including proprioception you could place multiple eyes in strange places and connect them to your vision to increase your visual input and see through many eyes at the same time. You can give yourself extra limbs and be able to feel everything with them. You can completely mutate your body to become as small or large as you want or to take on any shape you want. With practice you can control senses that humans do not have such as echolocation. Normal human senses can be manipulated and taken to a much higher level than would be possible in the real world.

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Mylynes, you said earlier you could turn your monitor pink, leave the room and return and it would still be pink. Would this apply to everything? if you put yourself onto a beach with all 5 senses, for example, after the initial effort would you remain there, or does a certain level of concentration need to be maintaned? Also, what if someone from the real world tried to interact with you? Would this person appear in the 'beach scene', would you hear them, or be aware they are there?

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It normally requires a certain amount of concentration to keep these hallucinations intact but there is a technique I use to better solidify these hallucinations so that they take little to no focus to maintain. If a person from the real world tried to interact with you while you have yourself cut off from the real world they would not be noticed by you unless they create input stronger than the level of sensory control you are exerting in which case you would be able to feel a punch to the face for example or hear loud noises ect. As long as the input you create is higher than your real input all you notice is your own sensory input.

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Also, how interactive is this? must everything be conscous or would your mind fill in the blanks? If you were, for example, to replace the visual of a wall with whats behind it (making it invisible in effect), would you see the image behind the wall 'update' as you move around changing your line of sight?
If you walked towards the wall could you still touch it, since you only adjusted your sight, not your touch?

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In many cases your mind will fill in the blanks for things but my approach to manipulation of my senses requires constant effort on my part although the more you practice the easier it is to maintain control over your senses. You can sense anything you want to sense. You could see whatever you want on the other side of a wall and can even walk through it or merely completely remove the wall from your mind. Of course you wouldn't be able to physically move through the wall and although you can see anything behind the wall you will still be unable to sense what is actually there. If you know the layout of the building well then you can replicate it with your mind but you would still not be seeing actual objects from the real world.

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Also, in the case of the beach scenario, lets say you had all 5 senses tapped into the beach and you were sitting on sand, but there was a rock to your left. If you were to touch the rock, would you feel it, or would the effort need to be consciously made?

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It depends. If you are awake and inducing a hallucination then all of your senses involved need to be consciously controlled. You can however use this technique in a dream in which case you could take a much more passive approach and still manipulate what you want to.

Ok, thanks for the response Mylynes, the effort is appreciated.

I'm going to work at this some more tonight. I haven't got far, but I think the progress I'm making is ok (I got the coloured 'waves' that can sometimes be created intentionly and i can occasionly alter the colour, but nothing too bright. I do occasionly have trouble distinguishing between what I'm actually seeing and what I'm imagining, since i tend to do this while I'm lying in bed and usually start to fall asleep.)

If I run into any problems i'll be sure to leave you a post on your other thread :D

mylynes:
visual snow is this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noisy_vision

also, I was thinking, you know that when you stare at a light for some time and then close your eyes, you will still see the light ...can this be used for practicing? I mean, trying to control it...you know



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Originally Posted by Mariano

mylynes:
visual snow is this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noisy_vision

also, I was thinking, you know that when you stare at a light for some time and then close your eyes, you will still see the light ...can this be used for practicing? I mean, trying to control it...you know



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I am not sure but I don't think so. All you have to do is first see the canvas and then learn to manipulate your visual input.

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Originally Posted by Mylynes

If you can't see anything then try closing your eyes, placing your palms against your eyelids and exert a small amount of pressure. You should see a lot of movement and colors even though your eyes are shut and there is no light to pick up. Try to recreate the same effect without exerting pressure on your eyes. You should probably try doing this at least one time but do not do it regularly..... After you get this down I would not suggest putting too much or for too long the pressure against the eyes because that may be bad for your eyes

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When I was a kid I used to love to do this.It was so cool to look at. Is it realy bad to do this often? Or is this just something our parents tell us, like the 'ol "If you keep your eyes crosed like that, they will stay that way!"....

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Originally Posted by ethan_hines

When I was a kid I used to love to do this.It was so cool to look at. Is it realy bad to do this often? Or is this just something our parents tell us, like the 'ol "If you keep your eyes crosed like that, they will stay that way!"....

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I haven't really looked it up but it doesn't seem like it would be a good idea to do that often or for long periods of time. The second part of the tutorial allows you to create closed eye hallucinations which means you can reproduce the visual from that and much more without needing to physically stimulate your eyes. You may find this article interesting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed-eye_hallucination

Interesting thread.

lol, it's a proven fact that staring at the sun can leave an imprint on your retina, and those imprints can induce the cloured particles! thats what i tried once, and it got me moving in the right direction :D

This is really interesting, I always noticed that "static" that's constantly bombarding my vision. I notice it more when looking towards the sky I find, light or dark, than any soli object. I'm going to practice this. Controlling my senses is something I've always wanted to do.

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Also, the applications for dream control are really exciting, I actually kinda thought most people on these forums did things like that constantly, altering their senses, body morphing, 360 degree vision and all those kinds of things.

mmm, that's not static calibre, they are just floaters(like white corpuscles)
part of the eye.

oh my bad. lmao, I gotcha

Hm, I commend your efforts in not going bonkers.
I can see someone figuring this out for themselves and believing that what they're doing is real. In fact I'm pretty sure I've seen a similar thing on here or somewhere else before. It's sobering to see someone stay in touch with reality while experimenting with these types of things.
Thanks mate!

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Hm, I commend your efforts in not going bonkers.
I can see someone figuring this out for themselves and believing that what they're doing is real. In fact I'm pretty sure I've seen a similar thing on here or somewhere else before. It's sobering to see someone stay in touch with reality while experimenting with these types of things.
Thanks mate!

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Yea I've pretty much become adept at having these controlled hallucinations over the years. I don't know of any better way to describe them. And yes staying in touch with reality can become quite difficult when you get to the point where you can almost stay in your own reality. There are too many things here I would rather not leave behind though so I attempt to remain connected to this place.

Three things:

1. I would jump into this technique, but my only fear is that I might start seeing things that don't exist that I have no control over or that I did not consciously create. Is this possible? If so, how can I prevent it?

2. Is this technique useful not in dream control or controlling real life, but actually inducing lucid dreams?

3. Say I create an entire scene around me. I'm standing on a beach. Now, say in this environment, I run forward and jump straight into the water. What happens in real life? Would I move if I was not careful?

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4. Say I did something like use this technique to create a miniature town on my desk, complete with people. Would I have to control everything the people do constantly?

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Originally Posted by DarkLucideity

Three things:

1. I would jump into this technique, but my only fear is that I might start seeing things that don't exist that I have no control over or that I did not consciously create. Is this possible? If so, how can I prevent it?

2. Is this technique useful not in dream control or controlling real life, but actually inducing lucid dreams?

3. Say I create an entire scene around me. I'm standing on a beach. Now, say in this environment, I run forward and jump straight into the water. What happens in real life? Would I move if I was not careful?

EDIT: Actually,

4. Say I did something like use this technique to create a miniature town on my desk, complete with people. Would I have to control everything the people do constantly?

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1. Yes it is possible and used to happen to me regularly and was not very fun. It still happens on occasion but most of the time I can tell whether something is real or not and now thanks to control if I ever sense something I do not like I can simply manipulate my senses to erase whatever the hallucination was from my mind or just cover it up whatever I want to sense.

2. In a sense this allows you to dream while awake in which case you would be lucid. However in this technique itself nothing really has anything to do with inducing lucid dreams. Just control.

3. Well this tutorial only covers sight in which case if you control your vision to go to a completely different scene from reality and decided to move around normally then yea you would be moving irl but with full sensory manipulation you would be able to make yourself think you are moving around when in reality you are not.

4. You would have as much or as little control as you want and are able to maintain.

I think this is real. At first I thought this was bullshit.

I also thought shared lucid dreaming was bullshit, until I did it.

Rereading through this thread made me remember I used to do this shit as a kid, but I didn't have control. It would freak me the hell out. I thought I was insane. Imagine being 5, 6, 7 years old and seeing shit that's not there, hearing voice. You know it's not there. But, you see it. Whenever I closed my eyes as I kid, I would see a pattern of witches.

Psilocybin has helped me to learn to control this, and also increase brightness and clarity of these patterns.

I cannot see anything asymetrical for some reason. It's always some type of patterns.

What is a way to go beyond seeing these patterns?

What is a good way to increase the brightness?

What are some of the things you have done in these self induced hallucinations? I'd really like to hear some of your personal experiences

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Originally Posted by Mylynes

It still happens on occasion but most of the time I can tell whether something is real or not

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And the other times?

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Originally Posted by WakingNomad

I think this is real. At first I thought this was bullshit.

I also thought shared lucid dreaming was bullshit, until I did it.

Rereading through this thread made me remember I used to do this shit as a kid, but I didn't have control. It would freak me the hell out. I thought I was insane. Imagine being 5, 6, 7 years old and seeing shit that's not there, hearing voice. You know it's not there. But, you see it. Whenever I closed my eyes as I kid, I would see a pattern of witches.

Psilocybin has helped me to learn to control this, and also increase brightness and clarity of these patterns.

I cannot see anything asymetrical for some reason. It's always some type of patterns.

What is a way to go beyond seeing these patterns?

What is a good way to increase the brightness?

What are some of the things you have done in these self induced hallucinations? I'd really like to hear some of your personal experiences

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I first started really noticing and interacting with this stuff back when I was 4. And yea back then a lot of the time the hallucinations I would experience were pretty messed up. I played with the basics of this technique and experimented with it when I was young but I didn't really start learning control until I was a teenager.

"What is a way to go beyond seeing these patterns?"
It just takes practice. Just practice the stuff in the tutorial and keep building on top of it trying to get better. Just try to learn one step at a time starting off with very simple manipulation and then getting more and more complex with it.

"What is a good way to increase the brightness?"
This is pretty simple all you have to do is decrease the amount of light that gets to your eyes. Practice in a dark room and/or use a blindfold or just close your eyes. The less amount of light you pick up when starting the easier it becomes to start forming the patterns into simple shapes and then move on to more complex objects and then move on to more and more complex images.

"What are some of the things you have done in these self induced hallucinations?"
I use this a lot while dreaming and I also use it to sort of create my own dreams while awake. For a while I kind of spend a lot of time disconnected from reality just living in my own world doing what ever the hell I wanted to do just kind of going through out the day doing the stuff I had to do like a zombie while my mind was at least mostly not there. While I was like this time tend to slow down sometimes where I would have spent a lot of time in my fantasy world only to peek back into the real world and notice that I had not been gone very long and then other times time would speed up and my mind would take off for weeks or months at a time. It was to the point that most of my memories I still have from back then were from a world that never really existed and I don't have a clue what was going on in reality back then.

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And the other times?

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Sometimes I will hear or see things that only later I believe to not be real but usually if that's the case its because it blends in well.. Like I might see a dr pepper on my desk and pick it up and open it then drink some of it and enjoy it then i'll leave my room for a minute and come back to find nothing is there and nobody else but me would even be in the house. Any kind of uncontrolled freaky stuff I see that would be like demons crawling on the ceiling or something I simply instantly exert control to dispel it and the idea is that if I ever run into something crazy that doesn't get dispelled it could be real but so far I haven't really seen anything too crazy that I haven't dispelled or played with. Before I learned control I used to have issues with that but that all took place a long time ago and is the reason I pushed myself to gain control in the first place.

It took me a long time to figure out how to control everything so well on my own but if I had access to the info in my tutorial back then I'd be lightyears ahead of where I am right now. I have taught a few people the basics of this manipulation technique before writing this guide and they all seemed move with it pretty fast and it sort of helped me learn to better explain to other people how I was creating these hallucinations. Anyways, I wouldn't be too worried about uncontrolled hallucinations because either you'll fairly easily be able to tell if something is real or not especially at first before you start manipulating multiple senses to create completely realistic hallucinations or they will blend into the world around you and go unnoticed. Also by gaining enough control to start having good controlled hallucinations if you were to have uncontrolled hallucinations you should be able to apply the same technique to easily get rid of them. Just paint over them with your mind or erase them from existence.

hi, i wanted to as a few questions as this week i made my self hallucinate my eyes were open i had what looked like a never ending pattern going down a tunnel, at first i thought was odd but i just went with it, i noticed after a few miniutes i could change the colour of the pattern and then wondered if i could change the pattern then realised i could zoom in onto select points and after 5 mins of moving around the pattern i stopped concenrating and the pattern went back onto its never ending pattern, tunneling inside its self. at that point i wondered of far i coould take it decided to make an object i instantly chose a cube a blue one rotating i made it with ease but as soon as anything came into my head that wasnt a cube it was a fast zoomout turning the newly formed cube into the everlasting pattern, at that point i gave up trying to do anything and just relaxed, then i saw some things with great detail like i was stood somewhere else completely, firstly i coould see a street with some houses and trees outside them i took notice of the houses i could see the curb the grass around the tree the tree it self, ( i thought however at the time maybe it was one house one tree but like the never ending pattern was repeating its self because i couldnt control it) after watchin this street for a while in my room from my head, i suddenly had a flash of the all seeing eye like in the one off the dollar bill. i am writing this to see what anyone thinks of it any feed back would be nice. i also had another extreme thing happen to me just a week b4 i am thinking this all has something to do with it maybe not but anyone giving me information that is usefull i will tell the story of what happened the week b4 not anyone would believe me so i think will save for people who may be able to help with these sorts of thoughts. :) peace and muchlove xx