Thread: For castaneda fans

I've seen myself in bed in dreams. It's just a dream of... seeing yourself in a bed.

Yea, same.

Not a fan or whatever, but once I looked at my bed and saw that it was empty

Castande talks about 2 different scenarios:
1. A normal dream in which you see your self sleeping - worthless
2. A special state in which you see your physical body sleeping in the real world - invaluable!

Originally Posted by Bolo

2. A special state in which you see your physical body sleeping in the real world - invaluable!

An OBE?

Poor things who believe in that crap! I'll break my sides laughing some day

Originally Posted by Arutad

An OBE?

Poor things who believe in that crap! I'll break my sides laughing some day

Well, most people who speak of OBEs today, mean to say: a (normal) lucid dream in which you see your body....



It's always good to laugh I hope it will prepare you well for the day that you actually have an OBE, and shit in your physical pants out of terror But I agree that anyone who "believes" in it blindly is a fool....

Originally Posted by Bolo

Castande talks about 2 different scenarios:
1. A normal dream in which you see your self sleeping - worthless
2. A special state in which you see your physical body sleeping in the real world - invaluable!

right. so no chance that you might see youself in bed precisely because thats what you want to see.

Originally Posted by Bolo

I hope it will prepare you well for the day that you actually have an OBE, and shit in your physical pants out of terror But I agree that anyone who "believes" in it blindly is a fool....

You hint at having had an OBE and having shitted your physical pants afterwards? That's getting interesting.

Tell me about it And how you checked the realness of it, in order to make sure that you're not believing blindly like a fool.

Originally Posted by Arutad

You hint at having had an OBE and having shitted your physical pants afterwards? That's getting interesting.

Tell me about it And how you checked the realness of it, in order to make sure that you're not believing blindly like a fool.

I suggest that you read AOD - it's downright indecent! (in a positive way )
Believing will not be an issue as it's a great book no matter how "real" you believe it is...

haha when I first skimmed by this thread I thought it was about dan castellaneta... but now i see its someone else. still, I've never heard of him

Originally Posted by Bolo

I suggest that you read AOD - it's downright indecent! (in a positive way )
Believing will not be an issue as it's a great book no matter how "real" you believe it is...

Haha, what an extravagant name for a book, Aod! I doubt that it's helping it to sell well.

Originally Posted by Arutad

Haha, what an extravagant name for a book, Aod! I doubt that it's helping it to sell well.

Art Of Dreaming! (Best seller BTW)

Originally Posted by Desert Claw

haha when I first skimmed by this thread I thought it was about dan castellaneta... but now i see its someone else. still, I've never heard of him

Let's just say that without this precious man, this site would probably not exist... no, I'm not exaggerating....

Originally Posted by Bolo

Art Of Dreaming! (Best seller BTW)

Haha I know, I was pulling your leg! It was funny how your wrote "read AOD", as if everybody must know what the abbreviation means . I hope it wasn't offensive.

Let's just say that without this precious man, this site would probably not exist... no, I'm not exaggerating....

That's not true.

Googled to get the dates of these works about LDing:

1867 (!) - Dreams and How to Guide Them, by Marquis d'Hervey de Saint-Denys
1913 - A Study of Dreams, by Frederick Van Eeden

LaBerge followed, building on these works. Whether Castaneda would write about LDing or not, LaBerge would be there.

Besides, I doubt that Castaneda's books have much value for LDing community. He never even mentioned lucidity, instead he kept writing wild stuff, like travelling to real places and beating physical people with his astral hands

Originally Posted by Arutad

Haha I know, I was pulling your leg! It was funny how your wrote "read AOD", as if everybody must know what the abbreviation means . I hope it wasn't offensive.

None taken I had a feeling you're just teasing me...

Originally Posted by Arutad

That's not true.

Googled to get the dates of these works about LDing:

1867 (!) - Dreams and How to Guide Them, by Marquis d'Hervey de Saint-Denys
1913 - A Study of Dreams, by Frederick Van Eeden

LaBerge followed, building on these works. Whether Castaneda would write about LDing or not, LaBerge would be there.

I didn't say that there wasn't anything about LDing. I said "this site", and what I meant was that Castaneda was the one that caused most of the interest among the mobs and the new generation. All the other LD books writers are actually riding Castaneda's success ... (popularity wise)

Originally Posted by Arutad

Besides, I doubt that Castaneda's books have much value for LDing community. He never even mentioned lucidity, instead he kept writing wild stuff, like travelling to real places and beating physical people with his astral hands

LOL! In certain ways you are right... I don't suppose a "sorcerer" could fit properly to a forum BUT- he does talk about lucid dreaming- teaches you more the any other book IMO... I guess you just didn't read

Enjoy your Castaneda

Read all 4 pages.

I hate to break it to you, but plenty of us would be lucid dreaming whether or not DV or castaneda had written anything about it. And the inherent interest in people who experienced it, in a time when the internet exists, means there would've been a webpage.

Again- I DIDN'T say thart the topic would not exist ! just wouldn't be nearly as popular.....

Originally Posted by Specialis Sapientia

Enjoy your Castaneda

Read all 4 pages.

This is not new to me..... it's crap... no need for me to defend the guy

Theres plenty of books on Alien Abductions too (or what Lucid dreamers are more likely understand to be sleep paralysis).

Does that fact that there's a book = evidence of aliens on Earth?

Originally Posted by moonshine

Theres plenty of books on Alien Abductions too (or what Lucid dreamers are more likely understand to be sleep paralysis).

Does that fact that there's a book = evidence of aliens on Earth?

I didn't say that his books are "real".... I did say they are awesome! and I also said they taught me a great deal about LDing...

Originally Posted by Bolo

I didn't say that his books are "real".... I did say they are awesome! and I also said they taught me a great deal about LDing...

What great deal? I didn't find much... In Art of Dreaming: one RC with your hands and a method to change dream scenes by falling asleep. All the rest either implies magic or is useless. From the useless category: move in dreams by concentrating on something to let it pull you (how limited is that? can't you walk or fly?), try to catch the moment of falling asleep (with no explanations or techniques).

That's all strictly about LDing that I remember, all the rest was magic. That's not a great deal. Did I miss something?

Originally Posted by Arutad

What great deal? I didn't find much... In Art of Dreaming: one RC with your hands and a method to change dream scenes by falling asleep. All the rest either implies magic or is useless. From the useless category: move in dreams by concentrating on something to let it pull you (how limited is that? can't you walk or fly?), try to catch the moment of falling asleep (with no explanations or techniques).

That's all strictly about LDing that I remember, all the rest was magic. That's not a great deal. Did I miss something?

Castenada is to lucid dreaming what the four humors are to medical science.

I had a dream the other day in which I saw and held myself as an infant.