Thread: The Nature of Dream Control

Give it a rest Moonshine, nobody's moving anything.

I didn't plan this as a nefarious plot to sneak in the concept of shared dreaming. But I don't feel that I came up with those ideas for dream control on my own as much as I'd like to take credit for them. So I had to mention where the inspiration came from. I wanted to be honest even at the risk of sounding crazy.

You're starting to sound like one of those militant vegans who try to browbeat everyone into seeing things their way.

Originally Posted by The Cusp

Give it a rest Moonshine, nobody's moving anything.

So are you adding clairvoyance to your list of powers now?

Originally Posted by The Cusp

I didn't plan this as a nefarious plot to sneak in the concept of shared dreaming. But I don't feel that I came up with those ideas for dream control on my own as much as I'd like to take credit for them. So I had to mention where the inspiration came from. I wanted to be honest even at the risk of sounding crazy.

I'm not convinced. Theres a difference between mentioning where you learned the info, and laying out the nightstalkers legend.

...and then dream sharing.
...and psychic energy.
...then magic, shamanism and wizards.

Just sayin'

Originally Posted by The Cusp

You're starting to sound like one of those militant vegans who try to browbeat everyone into seeing things their way.

Uh huh. Burn the heretic.

I look forward to your "clean" tutorial. I honestly think you do yourself a disservice by shoehorning in occult aspects into what might otherwise be very useful advice.

Originally Posted by moonshine

So are you adding clairvoyance to your list of powers now?

In the thousands of years mankind has observed the various mountain ranges on the earth, never once have those mountains gotten up and danced the Macarena. Is it not a logical deduction to assume they are not going to get up and dance the Macarena anytime soon?

Originally Posted by moonshine

I'm not convinced. Theres a difference between mentioning where you learned the info, and laying out the nightstalkers legend.

...and then dream sharing.
...and psychic energy.
...then magic, shamanism and wizards.

Just sayin'

I don't recall mentioning anything about psychic energy. As for the rest, sure, but you present it out of context. The only point I was trying to make was that those rules of dreaming seem apply to the waking world as well, which would imply that the waking world is nothing more than a dream.

As much as you may claim to disagree with that statement, here you are using those very rules in a RL scenario against me.

1. Everything requires you attention to exist.

That also implies that if you don't give something attention, it will cease to exist.

You're only focusing on the more outlandish sounding aspects of this thread while ignoring the more pertinent points. I've invited you to debate these things, but you doggedly refuse to acknowledge anything beyond your narrow point of view.

2. The more attention you give something, the more related detail it creates.

In every post you've made so far, you're just repeating yourself, adding nothing new or relevant to the discussion.

3. All change and new elements introduced strictly follow archetypes or schemata.

You're attempting to transmute this thread into something it's not by invoking the generalized archetype of psychic phenomena with all it's associated ridicule.

4. Strong emotions have a devastating effect on shaping your immediate environment.

Your derisive attitude is the icing on the cake.


Well done! You might have succeeded against someone not as well versed in the subjective nature of reality, but in this thread you attempts are akin to pissing in the ocean.

Originally Posted by The Cusp

The only point I was trying to make was that those rules of dreaming seem apply to the waking world as well, which would imply that the waking world is nothing more than a dream.

If that is truly your only point, then this thread should most definitely
be moved to Beyond Dreaming.

Originally Posted by moonshine

If that is truly your only point, then this thread should most definitely
be moved to Beyond Dreaming.

Then why don't you try holding your breath until that happens?

Originally Posted by moonshine

DV makes an effort to seperate what science has proven and understood from what amounts to - at best - "personal belief systems".

This thread is at heart all about personal belief systems. They are an integral part of dreaming, and you can't study dreaming without taking that into account.

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

Love your thread Cusp, it only keeps getting better and better, this is were all the true info on dreaming can be found! This is on a totally different level than all those other tutorials, compared to them you're like the Einstein of dreaming and they are the scientists from the dark ages.. be careful to not get burned on the stake someday tho.. lol.

Your being burned at the stake analogy is very fitting all of a sudden. Moonshine is certainly trying...

Originally Posted by The Cusp

Then why don't you try holding your breath until that happens?

I've another idea. Why don't you stop giving me attention and see if I cease to exist?

Originally Posted by The Cusp

This thread is at heart all about personal belief systems. They are an integral part of dreaming, and you can't study dreaming without taking that into account.

Well, you can actually. Which was why the beyond dreaming section was created.

Originally Posted by moonshine

I've another idea. Why don't you stop giving me attention and see if I cease to exist?

Actually, it's high time I do just that. If I hadn't bothered to respond to any of your posts, you wouldn't still be posting this crap.

Like I do with annoying DCs, I'm now going to ignore you into oblivion. Not literally of course, but you're not worthy of my attention, so for all intents and purposes, you no longer exist to me. At least in this thread. I may still burn you when you start spouting your crap in other threads. It's just too easy and hard to resist.