Thread: Dream Control: the complete tutorial

Dream Control
The Complete Tutorial

Ever wanted to control your lucid dreams effortlessly and without having to worry about "accidentally" failing when you come apon a giant tirantula or something of the likes?
Well have no fear! Read on and you'll learn the two basic methods of controlling your lucid dreams. You'll also learn the ups and the downs of each way and get in-depth explanations and examples of each.

Because being a god is alot easier when you know how

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Ok. First you have to understand what I mean when I say "theres two ways of controlling your dreams". It's pretty simple actually, first of all theres Forced Control, and secondly Passive Control.

How are these different you ask? Well, (to make things a bit more simple)
Hold the "ctrl" key and press "f", copy/paste whichever of these you want to look at in! ):
Forced Control:-------> <81672>

Passive Control:-------> <29456>

(Make sure you read both before continuing on)

So there it is, the two methods of controlling your dreams.
You should know that these can be used together, just will the jetpack that you need for flying into existence and fly away, I warn you though, that jetpack willage will still adversely effect your dream. I advise against it

Summary:

Only Force control when you have to, I only told you about it because sometimes its better to lose your dream than to remain in it.

Use passive control techniques freely, they only add to your dream experience.

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(note: will be updating this topic soon for readability and to make it easier on the eyes )

Have fun.

<81672>

Forced Control:
Aggressive impartation of will

Upside: Complete and total control
Downside: Loss of vividness/"concreteness" of dream.

Forced control is exactly what it sounds like, it can be best described as just exerting the whole of your will apon your dream. When you use this method of control your actually taking yourself a bit out of the dream and manipulating it then re-entering (I tell you this because you should know that this does actually make your dream very unstable).

Most people find it hard to simply say: "_____ will happen" and actually have something happen.
This is because they're doing it wrong. They don't yet understand the nature of the dream that they're in. Here's what you have to know about your dreams before you can use this method:

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Ok, some of you may remember this, its an edited version of something I had in a previous post (note: edited extensively, the picture is pretty much the only "unchanged thing )

To help you understand the principles behind this, I'll start with this picture of a bathroom, I want you to imagine yourself standing inside of it:


Now that you've imagined yourself standing in this bathroom, begin to think about where you are.
If you just came out of a hotel into this bathroom then your in a hotel right? Wrong... you see, in a dream you never really move, unless your expecting something to happen, it doesn't. If you were to walk out the door of that bathroom who says your going to end up in the hotel room you just walked out of?
Your subconscious does. It says: "I just walked into this room from the hotel so I go to the hotel again" therefore you would walk right into the hotel due to the expectation brought on from real life.

If this really was real life then there's no chance you could walk out of the bathroom and end up on a beach in Hawaii, but this is a dream, and dreams don't happen in places, so there would be no difference in you walking out into the hotel then there would be in you walking out into the water on a beach. yes, this is impossible in real life but you aren't in real life, your in a dream, the dream has no restraints, you don't have to spin to teleport, you don't have to move to fly, you don't have to exert any power whatsoever into any of the actions you do, because you aren't doing it, you just "are"

now back to the bathroom, why should that water faucet be there at all? why should the ground be there, why should there be walls there? the simple answer is that none of that really exists, its an illusion brought on by your brain to keep your mind busy while it makes repairs on your body, a dream is the farthest thing from a constant environment, its just memories of different experiences put together to create a pseudo reality for your mind to play in, normally in a dream most things are constants, but once the conscious mind wakes up you can begin to realize that nothing is what it seems.
If you were to grab that flower on the sink and smell it, what would it smell like? your first thought is it would smell like a flower, when in reality it wouldn't smell because there is no flower, thus you could make it smell like anything you wanted to just by barely thinking say, "wet dog" and activating your minds experiences of what wet dog smells like rather than what flower smells like, you would be smelling a wet dog.
Now put that flower down and touch the sink, think its going to be smooth? again the sink doesn't exist, until you touch it it has no previous experiences activated saying what its going to feel like, its just an optical illusion, so if you were to touch it expecting it to feel like bread, it would be bread, it may still look like a rock but it will conform and feel exactly like bread

with this in mind you can begin to see that a dream is non existent, all that exists within it is your consciousness, without you the dream is nothing, it isn't some other plane of existence you visit, its not anything, the dream is you and your experiences, it exists only for you and by you, nothing can visit and take it over without taking "you" over (evil spirits some see)
If you see a giant 500 ft beast ravaging a town just remember that that beast is only what you make it, if you wanted it that beast could be a small poodle, or a loaf of bread maybe, perhaps even a sheet of Saran wrap, its what you want, and that alone

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What you just read is the essence of the forced control technique. Every time you want something to happen just remember what your dream really is, and you'll find that you can easily do absolutely anything you want by simply changing whatever it is you want changed.

In-Depth Look At This Method:

Forcing control is something that should only be done when 100% necessary. Awhile back this was all I did to control my dreams, I felt that it was the only thing I'd ever need.
Soon I began to notice my dreams were less vivid, They started getting shorter, and shorter, and then even shorter. It got to the point that the second I got into the dream it would end without notice.

The reason that happened was because I had taken myself out of my dreams. I began to see them as fragile pieces of putty that I could re-arrange at will any time I felt the need. Though this is true, you should never get to that point, what happens is that you say: "darn, I hope I don't wake up" and guess what? nothing you do after that second will stop you from waking.
("darn, I hope I don't wake up every time I enter an LD!")


Use this sparingly (only use it to get out of horrific situations), it really takes away the "realness" that you experience in your dreams. Sometimes you just have to set back and enjoy the illusion (and all that comes with it).

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<29456>

Passive Control:
Working with the environment

Upside: Dreams much more stable; Much more realistic
Downside: Control less "direct" than Forced controlling; some things impossible to control


If you just read the forced section then you'll be happy to know that this is much shorter and easier to comprehend .


Passive control is much more natural than its forced cousin. It involves guile and cunning to get around the obstacles that you may encounter in your lucid wonderings.

The principal is simple: find a way to work with the laws your dream already has to get what you want. Don't ever warp reality (unless you use some magical device that you happen to find).
What I mean by "warp reality" is don't ever do something and tell yourself "I can do it because this is just a dream"

View your dream as a whole other plain of consciousness.
Not as a "I'm leaving my body and astral traveling" plain, but as what it is. The level of dreams. The place you go to every night when you close your eyes. It does exist (even if only because you on some level make it exist) and even though your subconscious is the thing thats making everything around you, who cares? Its still here, and you don't have to keep thinking about it for it to remain.
It's a world as real as the world your in now (when its here).
Just look at it like that.

Ok heres some examples of "naturally"/"passively" controlling your dream:

• I'm standing in my house but yet I REALLY want to be having sex with my crush right now. What do I do?
  Ok, this is pretty simple. close your front door for a second. Now think up a reason why your crush would come to your house (lets say, she/he was wondering if you had some sugar).
  Now act like that scenario (him/her is coming to get some sugar) is happening right this second.
  Open the door. Guess what? he/she's standing there with a cup in his/her hand!
  
  

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• I'm in the middle of a field and really want to fly over it. How can I do this and still be within the bounds of reality?
  Think about this for a second. Whats the most believable thing that you would attribute to being able to fly? radiation? Realize that that field of roses is actually an old A-bomb testing ground. Maybe you would be more likely believe that aliens left a pill that makes the user experience antigravity? theres one on the ground beside you (oh look! even a glass of water).

Don't make things appear, think up reasons why they should be there (aliens thought roses were cool awhile back, dropped pill. etc etc)

Ok a couple more examples for good measure:

• How do I turn into a wolf?
  Your a werewolf.
  
  
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  How do I make a building disappear?
  look away, look back. WHOA! God just decided that he didn't like that buildings roof.

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The trick is to make it something that you believe will work.
Always keep in mind that dreams aren't perfectly like real life, you can get away with alot more than you could probably imagine (without forcing anything at all)

In-Depth Look At This Method:

Though while reading this you may ask: "Why don't I just force everything? seems alot easier", I can tell you from first hand experience two things:

1. When you passively control your surroundings the results are alot more believable (when you force stuff the results seem very fake)
   
   and
2. When you passively affect your dreams they have alot more meaning. You get to fully experience them in the way they were meant to be (and you can really feel the difference on every level)

Passiveness doesn't affect your dreams stability, it doesn't make them shorter, they aren't less vivid, and they're just all around 100x more fun.
None of that can be said for Forcing control.

O_O........................ Wow I see why it took 3 hours, you should get it moved to the tutorials section. Very good contribution to the site BillyBo.

hmm i wonder why my LDs are getting shorter

Soon I began to notice my dreams were less vivid, They started getting shorter, and shorter, and then even shorter. Soon I would open my eyes the second I got into the dream and it would end.

The reason that happened was because I had taken myself out of my dreams. I began to see them as fragile pieces of putty that I could re-arrange at will at any time I felt the need. (though this is true) You should never get to this point, what happens is that you say: "darn, I hope I don't wake up" and guess what? nothing you do after that second will stop you from waking.
("darn, I hope I don't wake up every time I enter an LD!")

O_O and there is the answer! :O (funny thing is, i was just thinking about why extrememly recently lol)

time to make the switch to passive

That's really helpful, and I find passive control interesting. I've always been interested in the psychological aspect of dream control--it's basically tricking your own mind.

hmm...well i've only had two lucid dreams, but i find that I can make objects appear just by expecting them to be behind a door and opening it, or expecting it to be in my pocket and reaching for it. are you saying that, to be safe, i should find a reason for it to be there (using God, aliens, etc.)?

lol i have used the passive method without realizing.. i can asure that i had this dream where a mass killer armed with a knife was chasing me....the funny part was that after i got tired of running away due to the fact that the murderous dude never semmed to disapear and i ran and ran and he was still there chasing me what i did was just talked to the killer and somehow i got to convince him that i was his brother lol and he just stopped...lol i actually goto stand next to him without him hurting me lol..anyways what i said was "hey ur my brother" and cassamm~!! lol i still had in the back of my mind that he ould just kill me any minute but i guesss i just fooled and manipulated my subconscious mind with commands or speech what ever///lol cool im gonna experiment on making and convincing myself intead{{{passive method is the most effective}}}

Wow! This is a great tutorial BB, and when I get more LD's, I'll be sure to use this! Thanks!

Amazing tutorial. Brilliant. I do have a question though. You suggest to only use passive control for the most part, which I entirely agree with, but is passive control the idea that you have to make a semi-realistic reason for why things are happening?

Like would it still be passive control if I said that my lucid dreams take me to a different realm, which is the only safe place to use my superpowers. So as long as I'm here, I have super powers. Would that still count as passive control as long as I don't alter the environment in a direct way? Like I like being able to fly. Without using a jetpack or anything, just jump up and fly. But clearly that's not realistic.

But with my "i have superpowers" mentality, that's justified. My 'superpowers' don't extend to being able to alter where I am or teleport. Although, would teleporting/reshaping the environment via body spinning be passive or forced?

"But with my "i have superpowers" mentality, that's justified. My 'superpowers' don't extend to being able to alter where I am or teleport. Although, would teleporting/reshaping the environment via body spinning be passive or forced?"

I think the general concept is to satisfy your subconscious. It doesn't really take much - think of non-lucid dreams. Often you will realize when you wake that your dream had some very hare-brained logic to it. However, this is apparently enough. Simply saying "I have the ability to fly because I have superpowers, so I will now fly" instead of "FLY! LET ME FLY!" might be enough to satisfy your subconsciousness's demand for 'reality'.

Omg i really need to try this Passive Control, i had never even thought of it,
forced control was all i ever used.
thanx so much for this tutorial!

Originally Posted by BillyBob

How do I make a building disappear?

look away, look back.
WHOA! God just decided that he didn't like that building's roof.

ROFLMAO LOL HAHAHAHAHHAHA

great thread! i never concidered passive control.

so anything that has an explaination can happen?
if i wanted to summon something, could i use a transmutation circle
to trick my mind into thinking summoning was logical?

how logical does it need to be?

Originally Posted by Asem

so anything that has an explaination can happen?
if i wanted to summon something, could i use a transmutation circle
to trick my mind into thinking summoning was logical?

how logical does it need to be?

Not anything that has an explanation, anything that has an established system. And it needn't be logical at all, you just need to be familiar with it.

A transmutation circle will work fine. But it will work better for someone who studies and practices those circles than for someone who's just heard them mentioned in passing. The more familiar you are with that particular system, the more reliable it will be.

A deeply religious person will better be able to use divine intervention in dreams than someone who doesn't believe in God.

Most of the time if i just want something to happen it will. I dont even have to think about it, just to know that i want to fly results in flight. I dont know how this works tho.

Originally Posted by The Cusp

Not anything that has an explanation, anything that has an established system. And it needn't be logical at all, you just need to be familiar with it.

A transmutation circle will work fine. But it will work better for someone who studies and practices those circles than for someone who's just heard them mentioned in passing. The more familiar you are with that particular system, the more reliable it will be.

A deeply religious person will better be able to use divine intervention in dreams than someone who doesn't believe in God.

If you're talking about bringing back a life in a dream, then forget it. But if you're talking about weapons, well... I'd hate to sound like a geek, but if I could, I'd use the laws of FMA if I had any paper and metalics around. Because I'd use the FMA weapon summonig to make a card captor staff out of the metallics, then I'd turn the paper into pokemon cards, and then use the staff to summon out some of my old freinds from my Pokemon yellow, Blue, Silver, and sapphire games. Unleashing utter, complete, HELL!! Ahhh, good times.

... I have to become lucid sooner or later! I gotta try this!

Billybob, I'm pretty damn sure there is no word in any language to describe the awesomeness contained within you. So I made one! Superlawesome.

All extremely over-the-top unneeded praising aside, I have a question. Why should we not just simply go "This is a dream, so I can do this" as the rationale for our passive control? I mean, we aren't forcing our dreams to do something purely through our will, tightening our jaw as we concentrate on our task with a vein popping out of our head. Lol. We just realize that since it is a dream, we can do anything. Isn't that trick good enough? I mean for certain things, I can see the whole "They are behind a door" better than just creating them out of thin air in most cases. But do you mean that by telling ourself it is a dream it'll be less realistic and take away from the experience or something?

The passive control will be useful to me since I'm back from a stupid dry spell that seem so common amongst people nowadays. Two lucid dreams in the past three days! And, of course, in the first one I attempted to force create stuff in my hands right in front of my eyes, I guess not being lucid for a while really made my thought process in dreams all screwy... I wasn't thinking clearly I guess. Or should I say, I wasn't thinking lucidly! Hah! Hahaha! I'm so clever...

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=nm0tZ3bJP6Y

Originally Posted by BillyBob

Dream Control
The Complete Tutorial

Ever wanted to control your lucid dreams effortlessly and without having to worry about "accidentally" failing when you come apon a giant tirantula or something of the likes?
Well have no fear! Read on and you'll learn the two basic methods of controlling your lucid dreams. You'll also learn the ups and the downs of each way and get in-depth explanations and examples of each.

Because being a god is alot easier when you know how

_________________________________________________

Ok. First you have to understand what I mean when I say "theres two ways of controlling your dreams". It's pretty simple actually, first of all theres Forced Control, and secondly Passive Control.

How are these different you ask? Well, (to make things a bit more simple)
Hold the "ctrl" key and press "f", copy/paste whichever of these you want to look at in! ):
Forced Control:-------> <81672>

Passive Control:-------> <29456>

(Make sure you read both before continuing on)

So there it is, the two methods of controlling your dreams.
You should know that these can be used together, just will the jetpack that you need for flying into existence and fly away, I warn you though, that jetpack willage will still adversely effect your dream. I advise against it

Summary:

Only Force control when you have to, I only told you about it because sometimes its better to lose your dream than to remain in it.

Use passive control techniques freely, they only add to your dream experience.

_______________________________________

(note: will be updating this topic soon for readability and to make it easier on the eyes )

Have fun.

Just felt this was such a great thread, so I'll disregard that it's old and write anyway.

I actually tried out both forced and passive dream control last night without knowing the difference! It was my second LD and I was sitting at a table in this room with some people.

I tried to summon this really hot girl under the table, forcing her to appear there, but it didn't work at all.

So I took a different approach and asked a person in the room to just send the hot girl in. I barely finished the sentence before I saw that beautiful girl walking into the room from a door that I hadn't seen before.

I woke up 10 seconds later, but I think I'm on the right way!
Next LD, I'll just take it slow and go with the flow.

thats true about passive and control cuz when u try control it feels like your just imagining it and doesnt feel real

Ahh, things make so much more sense now! I believe I must be quite an ignorant lucid dreamer; I've never thought that there might be such a concept as Passive Control. What I tend to do is sort of 'conjure' things up and they always come, but in a really hazy way, all flickery and that. I am very thankful for this information!

Ah, I'm glad I read this topic. Things seem to become less vivid in my dreams when I try to manipulate it. I think this will really help what I'm experiencing, and hopefully I'll be able to better utilize the lucid dreams I have.

Originally Posted by Sabre2552

Ah, I'm glad I read this topic. Things seem to become less vivid in my dreams when I try to manipulate it. I think this will really help what I'm experiencing, and hopefully I'll be able to better utilize the lucid dreams I have.

Well, your method worked like a charm in my lucid dream last night. I normally have trouble going to an entirely different dreamscape. However, in the spirit of passive control, I went up to a window next to a door, and remarked "What's with this paper here?" and when I grabbed the edge of the window, I was able to tear away the image as if it were paper, and reveal the dreamscape I wanted to go to. Then, I opened the door, and it opened to where I wanted to be.

I lost no lucidity in doing this, which is great! I'm so glad I learned of this technique, as now I am able to manipulate dreams as much as I want without losing lucidity or vividness, which is an excellent thing.

Nice thread! I have the problem of using forced-control, my lucids have gotten ridiculously shorter. I need to work on passive control for sure. Thanks for sharing this.

Man your awesme. I haven't had a lucid dream yet, but I'm very confident that I will soon. It's been 3 or 4 days, but the first thing I'm going to try is
to say "darn, I hope I don't wake up." So I can explore my dream, I'm not going to try to control anything yet. I'm going to simply see what my mind
makes up. And maybe talk to some dream characters, but my only fear is if I go lucid and waking up. I know it's completely normal for beginners to
wake up, but at least I'll get a taste of what it feels like to be in a virtual world. I have one question, do you think that if you say "I will not wake up"
will work any better? and do you think that if I say "I will not wake up" when I'm exited will not wake me up? Thanks for the help.