Elementalism Lesson 1: Rain magic

**nerve** · 10-21-2003 03:55 AM

you are insane....

**Curios** · 10-21-2003 05:08 AM

Im not with old school wicth-craft but energy can be used wisely. Light and energy are infinate.

**Serinanth** · 10-21-2003 05:18 AM

The ahahah was the moment I found the dancing bannana, somone mad a flash movie of the bananna and a song called peanut butter jelly time... look it up hehe its funny

Experiencing that night had nothing to do with old school witchcraft just the miracle that is our world.

**Seeker** · 10-22-2003 03:40 PM

Reality is in the eye of the beholder. Each one of us creates his own little reality. And in some way, reality is destroyed when he dies, at least part of it.
If you believe in magic, it is a part of your reality. If you do not, then it is not a part of yours.
For many years, I believed in a God that could change things, but I felt that god could only function at the quantum level. Not very powerful huh? But that was my reality.

My personal reality does not have magic, but instead untapped potential that is present in the human conciousness.

**Serinanth** · 10-22-2003 03:44 PM

actually =) very powerful, I think.
The world we see is based off that quantum world.

**Seeker** · 10-22-2003 03:49 PM

This is true to a point, but I thought he could only affect things that have not yet been decided. You know, the whole argument about the cosmos splitting at a quantum juncture.
I really like to wierd people out by letting them know that according to quantum theory, they do not fully exist 1/2 of the time.
Maybe on a future lucid aventure I will play around with quarks some. I wonder what it would be like to be a strange or charmed quark, or maybe a Higgs particle.....

**Serinanth** · 10-22-2003 10:19 PM

*dances around* yay somone else that knows a little about quantum theory!

**Seeker** · 10-23-2003 12:46 PM

Yeh, I like quantum theory.

It is amazing that something so complex and beautiful came about when a gap was detected in light emissions!

Hats off to you buddy. Most people think I am a total idiot when I start talking about two super-imposed cats existing in a box!

**nerve** · 10-23-2003 05:29 PM

hey, i'm really interested in it too!

**Seeker** · 10-23-2003 05:37 PM

Originally posted by Paperdoll EP
hey, i'm really interested in it too! *

Sounds like a good idea for a poll! I wonder if all LD's are predisposed toward quantum theory

**Second Attention** · 10-23-2003 06:19 PM

Quantum theory is some good stuff...

**Serinanth** · 10-25-2003 12:04 AM

I got the same thing at work they taunted the hell out of me with questions like... well the cats gotta poop it would eventually fill up the box and die anyways, what if the cat knocks over the poison on its own,... hehe oh well =)

"I anyone ever tells you that they understand quantum physics they are lying"

I forgot who said that... some scientist

"Oh janitor?

"whats up scientist"

Half Baked...

**Blulanou42** · 10-27-2003 03:32 AM

I just wanna thank all you guys for reading my post and taking it seriously. Not many people are as open as those who post here.

I like what you guys are saying about quantum mechanics, just another interpretation of magic or science or even tribalism. I believe that mankind has known the same things for thousands of years, we never discover anything really, we just find new ways to describe reality.

I'm gonna post some more stuff I've been doing soon after I get off of vacation.

Hey, I asked my girlfriend about going to crator lake with me (I've always dreamed about it oddly enough, saw a special on it as a kid sick at home one day) and she said we should go. I'll be meditating on a rock somewheres maybe this summer or the next, hehehe.

I live in Lake George Colorado, on the back of Pikes Peak, another uber spiritual place. I live at 9,500 ft and surrounded by forest, my meditation soars here, I can't understand it. Me and my friends are devising theories about the mountain's radioactivity, or maybe NORAD has just fucked us all up somehow.

anyway, ty again, love the posts. Magic = reality.

Oh, and we are necromancers here in the states. Most of the wise on the outside sight us as death magic users or "black magicians" as Don Juan put it. I'd say our medical and synthetics fields especially partake in gruesome acts of death ritual, I plan to leave this country because I so harshly disagree with their allignment to the synthetic application of death, both animal and human (if there is a difference). yea for bards! yea for egineers (sorta).

**Second Attention** · 10-27-2003 05:43 PM

Guiness World Records Book of 2003 has one of the most horrible things I've ever read in it. There was a woman that died in 1951, she had cancer. She had a rare cancer, because she lakced a certain chromosome in her body. Result: Cancer cells that self-replicate indefinitely. Her cells still exist today, in laboratoies all over the world. They sit there and replicate themselves over and over again. The worst kind of necromancy. Death on a goddamn petri dish. Her cells will NEVER die, unless we kill them, but scientists find them "far too interesting" to destroy. Cloning is illegal in the US, but we still have that woman's cells. What's the difference? What if her soul has been stuck in limbo because we won't let her die. I think... that is one of the worst most evil and horrible things I've ever heard. We keep the cancer alive. We propagate it.

**Serinanth** · 10-27-2003 08:55 PM

*shivers*

**Timotheus** · 10-27-2003 09:27 PM

Guiness World Records Book of 2003 has one of the most horrible things I've ever read in it. There was a woman that died in 1951, she had cancer. She had a rare cancer, because she lakced a certain chromosome in her body. Result: Cancer cells that self-replicate indefinitely. Her cells still exist today, in laboratoies all over the world. They sit there and replicate themselves over and over again. The worst kind of necromancy. Death on a goddamn petri dish. Her cells will NEVER die, unless we kill them, but scientists find them \"far too interesting\" to destroy. Cloning is illegal in the US, but we still have that woman's cells. What's the difference? What if her soul has been stuck in limbo because we won't let her die. I think... that is one of the worst most evil and horrible things I've ever heard. We keep the cancer alive. We propagate it.[/b]

I know these cells quite well, as I have already worked with them (and will probably do so again and again, in the future). They are called HeLa cells, because the woman's name was Henrietta Lacks, and yes, these cells are actually derived from the cervical cancer that killed her. By the way, all cancer cells will grow and divide infinitely if you let and feed them.

I don't see any problem at all in working with such cells. They are strongly altered by the cancer process and cannot give rise to a human embyo (so far to your cloning). They are completely harmless for me because they would be immediately rejected by my immune system if I would become "infected" by them. They make an uniform layer of cancer cells in a petri dish and don't have any nervous system which can suffer from pain or emotions (in contrast to a guinea pig). They are no smarter than the yeast cells that you use for baking bread. And they have been a great tool in the past to study the properties of cancer.

Sorry, I know that this does not belong to this forum, but I had to reply to that post.

**Second Attention** · 10-27-2003 09:35 PM

Oh... let me tell you... I feel so much better.

Dude... I don't care how safe or whatever it is, or how "helpful" it has been. I still think it's fucking creepy.

**Timotheus** · 10-27-2003 09:50 PM

Originally posted by Second Attention
Oh... let me tell you... I feel so much better.

Dude... I don't care how safe or whatever it is, or how \"helpful\" it has been. I still think it's fucking creepy.

People have been always afraid from what they don't know ...

If you happen to be near my lab one day, you can come to visit HeLa

**Second Attention** · 10-27-2003 10:04 PM

Ok... let me re-word that... that goes far against my morals(what little there are of them). I think it is WRONG! I mean... honestly... what if there was some sort spiritual ramifications that we didn't understand happening to this supposed dead woman, simply because we won't let her die. I don't know, I don't care. I think it's wrong, and I would never want to mess with it, be within a hundred fucking miles of it, or anything. I'm not afraid of it, there are just certain things I don't want to be associated with because I think they are WAYYYY fucked up. Like... say rape, and child pornography(and the use of a dead woman's cells). I don't want be anywhere NEAR any of that shit either. They are morally wrong to me. I mean if you were some sick fuck, I'm sure you could morally justify those kind of things to yourself, too(ie, "those kids were going to end up getting fucked some day any ways"), but there are just certain things that are wrong, becuase they are wrong, because they are wrong. Whatever... I know you may not think it's a big deal, and it may not be to you, but it is to me. It's just another weird ass thing that I would never have thought existed.

**Timotheus** · 10-27-2003 10:20 PM

Okay. I can well accept the fact that you have morals that are way different from those of me and other people. I could discuss for AGES with you about the (not-existing) reason and the logics behind those morals, but I don't think it's appropriate.

**Blulanou42** · 10-28-2003 06:51 AM

Now I am going to tell a story:

In a relm far far from here, in one of the world's most amazing social experiments, and online comunity was created to be another world that existed somewhere not too far from the hearts of humanity...

There, a gathering of Clergy formed after some devistated event, no one knew, but the world had been made new...and now they were there.

They listened to thosse of them who became strong, became amazing and then they encountered more amazing entities. It turned out that whatever they practiced all throughout their lives turned into something incredible for those whom practiced long into the night, searching for their ultimate wisdom, fighting for their ultimate aid, searching for the ultimate potion. And of these spirits came around that were biased to powers, preditors of humans were sometimes other humans, even humanoids.

The strong Deities ar amounts of people, become groups of powers working together worshiping the way of life they had similar, they ate similar plants, they practiced silmilar ritual, they hunt certain ways, they develope social characterisics, magic, prayer, song, technology, and each in their own style.

After thousands of years of turmoil amoung the races, certain groups came out on top, cultivated more food, held more land, worked together more uniformly, and some were killers of man, and some were killers of good, and some were killers of evil...and God never knew the differece.

Certain humanoids got powerful enough that they transcended early, and thust became lower deities, became mythical gods, titans of the land, wizard light lords of the planes of reality, those who touched nature and caused it no harm, those who sang and their worlds danced, those who...

who...found their means of magic through fighting humanoids, even ingesting them, it affoarded them much, but frivolously so. Some developed ways of cannibalism, and some cultivated their food in mass quatities, bosses holding food from the peasents mouths, food that was free to any Druid or traveler or adnventurer. The peasents were cared into working by the death-magi, churning wips on their own people and raising powerful Warriors, Fighters, Engineers held their swords, and necromancers blessed their tampered blades, boiled their chemically charged tonics of rage and fear...fear.

To battle, to save, to heal in the wars, the [b][i]<span style="color:indigo">Special thanks to the beatiful world of Gemstone III, the world I metioned in the very begining. Use it to compare your life and thank god that you weren\'t 9 and playing a clerics in that game.

**Blulanou42** · 10-28-2003 08:53 AM

i am afraid that some bards meet this fate as well. lucid dreaming is not a walk in the park, you have to be supple, your thoughts must bends and break without actually breaking, like water, like fluidity of energy -not like this illusion world- so you have to relaxe, do a lot of meditation, and find your true self, then leave it behind, then come back to it. Only then can one have a clear thought, not bombarded by the songs of society, by the worries of ethos, by the silly streams of humanities manifestations, these must be conquered, and that is no easy task.

i hope everyone becomes lucid...i hope they love the world and not greed, or desire, or false ethics. video games: virtual lucidity, live one of your reicarnations in a month! Witness many. You are them now, too. For we are all, afterall, of this earth.

<---that\'s everyone[/

**Serinanth** · 10-28-2003 06:40 PM

Granted we can learn from those cells, but that dosent make it any less creepy, you can say that the cells are so altered and such but they derived from a living breathing being with a spirit, and keeping them alive is just... weird... I duno its just creepy man!