Thread: Dream guide?

Originally Posted by Deanstar

Why do people assume that you need a dream guide? All of my lucid dreams I never have used a 'dream guide'. I am the one dreaming. I can seek beings in the dream. But I won't call them my dreamguide.

I think Lucid dreaming is a lot more complex than people imagine. Control is not just a simple technique. If you have spiritual issues, they will come out in your dreams and inhibit your lucid dreaming. Also I believe when Dreaming, it is not just inside your mind, you could be in contact with real entities (I believe that's why they seem more real than other characters, not because they are 'dream guides') My view of dreaming goes beyond a neurologist that it all comes from your mind. I have dreamt things that I could not have known about. Such as places that I later encountered in real life. In the words of Bill O'reilly. "you can't explain that".

I definitely agree with this. I don't believe that a Dream Guide is necessarily needed, but for me he/she is definitely welcome. I have heard of people overcoming fears just by going on certain adventures with their Dream Guide that pertain to that fear. I have also heard of the Dream Guide unlocking certain creative potential which is something that I would be very interested in. This would give you a deeper look into yourself while also communicating with someone not of this world who might give you a completely different perspective that you didn't even think was possible

Originally Posted by DownrightDreamr

I definitely agree with this. I don't believe that a Dream Guide is necessarily needed, but for me he/she is definitely welcome. I have heard of people overcoming fears just by going on certain adventures with their Dream Guide that pertain to that fear. I have also heard of the Dream Guide unlocking certain creative potential which is something that I would be very interested in. This would give you a deeper look into yourself while also communicating with someone not of this world who might give you a completely different perspective that you didn't even think was possible

That's a point. I never thought much about dream guides. But it does opens the door I guess to a lot of possibilities. As I mentioned I would treat a dream guide as if I was attempting to make contact with an actual entity, so it would be a bit different to me. I guess you could cook up your own character somehow, but I always find it highly unpredicatable. It's not like creating a tree or a car in a dream. They start walking talking and who knows what it becomes, they can even attack you lol. I think once or twice I did tell people, "hey you know this is a dream, your in a dream" and like I tried to convince them about it. Sometimes they would act like they were really interested and "what do we do now" sort of thinking. And other times they would try and avoid any interaction. It's interesting cause when you invoke a dream guide, that in itself is a concept that can open all sorts of things just on it's own.

There is potential problems with it like that other person I was reading on here, they had this dreamguide character always turning up and harassing them! I think if you take dreamguides too litrally, they could even spoil it. But on the other hand it's also a fairly romantic concept you could find the man or woman of your dreams, litrally lol.

Originally Posted by Deanstar

That's a point. I never thought much about dream guides. But it does opens the door I guess to a lot of possibilities. As I mentioned I would treat a dream guide as if I was attempting to make contact with an actual entity, so it would be a bit different to me. I guess you could cook up your own character somehow, but I always find it highly unpredicatable. It's not like creating a tree or a car in a dream. They start walking talking and who knows what it becomes, they can even attack you lol. I think once or twice I did tell people, "hey you know this is a dream, your in a dream" and like I tried to convince them about it. Sometimes they would act like they were really interested and "what do we do now" sort of thinking. And other times they would try and avoid any interaction. It's interesting cause when you invoke a dream guide, that in itself is a concept that can open all sorts of things just on it's own.

There is potential problems with it like that other person I was reading on here, they had this dreamguide character always turning up and harassing them! I think if you take dreamguides too litrally, they could even spoil it. But on the other hand it's also a fairly romantic concept you could find the man or woman of your dreams, litrally lol.

I think that there is definitely a difference between your dream guide and your other dream characters (I have yet to have my first lucid dream so this is purely an untested theory). I feel that your regular dream characters can be manipulated by your will while your dream guide would be a higher entity that could not be as easily manipulated or maybe could not be manipulated at all. I have heard accounts where the dreamer's dream guide gave off a different energy than the other dream characters. I think that this is because the DCs are projections of your subconscious while a Dream Guide would be something else entirely.

Originally Posted by DownrightDreamr

I think that there is definitely a difference between your dream guide and your other dream characters (I have yet to have my first lucid dream so this is purely an untested theory). I feel that your regular dream characters can be manipulated by your will while your dream guide would be a higher entity that could not be as easily manipulated or maybe could not be manipulated at all. I have heard accounts where the dreamer's dream guide gave off a different energy than the other dream characters. I think that this is because the DCs are projections of your subconscious while a Dream Guide would be something else entirely.

This matter is interesting to me, i guess i'll keep trying to get my technique right. I have enough willpower to stop my DG if it ever goes out of control, i feel like i can.

Originally Posted by TheAssassin56

This matter is interesting to me, i guess i'll keep trying to get my technique right. I have enough willpower to stop my DG if it ever goes out of control, i feel like i can.

Yea I guess I'll never know until I do some field research haha. Just gotta keep trying!

Originally Posted by DownrightDreamr

I think that there is definitely a difference between your dream guide and your other dream characters (I have yet to have my first lucid dream so this is purely an untested theory). I feel that your regular dream characters can be manipulated by your will while your dream guide would be a higher entity that could not be as easily manipulated or maybe could not be manipulated at all. I have heard accounts where the dreamer's dream guide gave off a different energy than the other dream characters. I think that this is because the DCs are projections of your subconscious while a Dream Guide would be something else entirely.

I think your theory is correct, years ago when I became Lucid, I saw this incredibly beautiful person in my dream that just stood out like some kind of angel, and naturally the sexual thing came up when I was Lucid, so I tried to do something with them. I was on top of them in the park, and these blue eyes just stared back at me, not resisting but not approving either, just a stunned stare, and was basically a message of "what the hell are you doing going to rape me" but it wasn't in an insulting way, it was in a loving kind of way. And from then I thought that dream characters are not just dream characters after that....it just felt like a different entity, not something from me. From then I have been careful about treating my dream as a sex toy.

Originally Posted by DownrightDreamr

I think that there is definitely a difference between your dream guide and your other dream characters (I have yet to have my first lucid dream so this is purely an untested theory). I feel that your regular dream characters can be manipulated by your will while your dream guide would be a higher entity that could not be as easily manipulated or maybe could not be manipulated at all. I have heard accounts where the dreamer's dream guide gave off a different energy than the other dream characters. I think that this is because the DCs are projections of your subconscious while a Dream Guide would be something else entirely.

From my own experience dream guides aren't higher entities, it's a just an importance we assign to them. In general the more important something is in a lucid dream the more focus you will place on it's detail and persistence. I've had two dream guides who act extremely naturally, but it quickly became apparent that as soon as I controlled them they lost there own abilities.

There no evidence to suggest that dream guides might be higher entities, or the other way around. I think it's something you have to decide for yourself, but keep in mind that humans are the experts of delusion, even to ourselves. Just because an image jumps out at you doesn't mean it's necessarily unconventional. It's important to realize that we all want to be unique and believe in the otherworldly, so you can properly assess you situation before jumping to a conclusion.

Originally Posted by dutchraptor

From my own experience dream guides aren't higher entities, it's a just an importance we assign to them. In general the more important something is in a lucid dream the more focus you will place on it's detail and persistence. I've had two dream guides who act extremely naturally, but it quickly became apparent that as soon as I controlled them they lost there own abilities.

There no evidence to suggest that dream guides might be higher entities, or the other way around. I think it's something you have to decide for yourself, but keep in mind that humans are the experts of delusion, even to ourselves. Just because an image jumps out at you doesn't mean it's necessarily unconventional. It's important to realize that we all want to be unique and believe in the otherworldly, so you can properly assess you situation before jumping to a conclusion.

Your beliefs play some sort of part in what you experience in your dream too. If you try to turn your dream character into something in which you want to control, it probaly will morph into your subconsious creation and any real entity will have faded out since you are trying to make it into something. That's how the dream realm works a lot of the time cause it's a dimensional field which you can navigate different. There is no evidence for tones of things. Did you know at one time skeptics didn't even think there was evidence of lucid dreams, that it was impossible. LOL

Originally Posted by wikipedia

skeptics of the phenomenon suggest that it is not a state of sleep, but of brief wakefulness. Others point out that there is no way to prove the truth of lucid dreaming other than to ask the dreamer, Philosopher Norman Malcolm's 1959 text Dreaming[22] had argued against the possibility of checking the accuracy of dream reports. He points out "The only criterion of the truth of a statement that someone has had a certain dream is, essentially, his saying so."

If you look back on lots of past statements in science about the impossibility of Lucid dreams, it becomes quite comical about the things they were skeptical of, just because they think there is no 'evidence' for something, it's never been a good measure of how correct they actually were.

To me, when I have a Lucid dream, often it feels just as real as if I am awake. I in no way feel like I am in my bed asleep. I don't even feel like I am laying down at all. This to me goes beyond something in my head, it's an entire realm of it's own. I believe 100% that in my Lucid dreams I am outside of my body completely in a different dimension. Not that I am forcing anyone to make that conclusion, but it only seems from my experience the realistic conclusion to make, cause that's my experience of it.