Thread: I thought I was alone...

Originally Posted by Ginsan

Hey Eric, can you also make dreams that feel like they span over multiple days, weeks, years, decades? Or are your dreams the 'normal' duration of 1 hour at max?
Can you also induce false memories? Like willing to be a gladiotor in the next dream and then waking up from your dreambed remembering all the things you've done up untill then? Because I know false memories/thinking patterns are not uncommon in dreams

To answer your question. Well I've been doing DC so long I guess I have 2 kinds of dreams. I pretty much know every time I'm in dream right from the start. The start of dream is usually random because most of the time I don't try to enter into a specific dream (I can enter a dream directly from where I left off the last time though if I want). But once there I usually just "Free Dream" and try not to interfere and let it follow it's own path naturally to try to learn from them. If I don't like where is going and or are getting bored I can change it or myself into any situation almost instantly.

Like last night I was kind of getting bored in the dream I was in and decided to change it up. I become a character I use now and then. He doesn't have a name. But he is indestructible and the strength of the Hulk. He is fun to just shake people up in my dream. I've had dreams I've continued over days or even continued months or years later.

I'm not sure exactly how long they are actually lasting. Why? Because I've tested this out to see how long they actually are in real time. I've induced a dream and kept track of everything I'm doing in the dream. Maybe 1-2 hour might have passed in the dream. But I force myself to wake up and look at the clock again. Maybe only 15 minutes have passed. At least for me it seems like the dream world time seems to move faster than real time.

Now to the false memories. Yes, I have had those. They are so weird. You swear something in your dream was a real memory later in your awake world. I'm better at knowing which are which now. But sometimes I still get fooled because my dreams are so vivid and seem so real now. I find the dream memories I get fooled on are the ones I don't wake up in the middle of.

Any more questions? I'm happy to share what I've learned on my own the last 30+ years of doing this on my own.

How often do you LD? 20,000 over 30 years is almost two a night.

Have you ever tried to dilate time within the dream? By using dream control logic.

Originally Posted by BrandonBoss

How often do you LD? 20,000 over 30 years is almost two a night.

Have you ever tried to dilate time within the dream? By using dream control logic.

I'm almost 48 now and have been doing this as far back as 13 or 14. I can't remember for sure. But when I was a horny little teen I can remember using it for dream sex. I think almost all my dreams now are lucid, which are a few a night. I don't know exactly how many for sure a night.

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "dilate time"??? I know time in the dream passes way faster for me than in real life. I don't know if everybody's dream are the same. FYI: I've been told that I think very very fast. I kind of find in a normal conversion with people in real life I'm waiting for them to finish there sentences. When I was younger I use to interrupt them and looked really rude. I just thought I would mention that. It might have something to do with the speed of my dreams. But others might be dreaming the same speed. I have no way of knowing.

Originally Posted by EricinLA

I'm almost 48 now and have been doing this as far back as 13 or 14. I can't remember for sure. But when I was a horny little teen I can remember using it for dream sex. I think almost all my dreams now are lucid, which are a few a night. I don't know exactly how many for sure a night.

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "dilate time"??? I know time in the dream passes way faster for me than in real life. I don't know if everybody's dream are the same. FYI: I've been told that I think very very fast. I kind of find in a normal conversion with people in real life I'm waiting for them to finish there sentences. When I was younger I use to interrupt them and looked really rude. I just thought I would mention that. It might have something to do with the speed of my dreams. But others might be dreaming the same speed. I have no way of knowing.

Haha, yeah. 13 and 14 year old dream land was a perverted place for me too, but I was never lucid during that, or it would have been a whole different experience.

Well... Most people that LD a lot try to dilate time. I know a fee that have methods to do it. Think about it this way:

In a dream you can do everything and anything. Including making a universe with different rules. Create one where a month in it is five minutes in the real world. Stay for a "month" wake up five minutes later.

Go to the control room of the universe you started the dream in and make time flow in comparison to how control you use. If you don't change much of the dream you can stay there a long time. If you are in a huge fight or something and need a lot of dream. Control you change the amount of time in dream.

^^this would be ways to do it. Some don't believe it is possible. Some swear that they have done it. I have not done it, but plan on doing it at a later point.

I used to believe the same thing as you in this, because I also think very fast and it seemed like it was always longed dream time than real time. But I am leaning more towards the fact that it is kind of random unless you change it. I have WILDed (entered straight from consciousness to sleep while keeping awareness) into a dream and five minutes later it was an hour. I have had a LD that seemed to last for a few hours and only 30 minutes passed.

I've always wondered how much "Real Time" passes as compared to "Dream Time". We both know that Dream Time passes much faster. But I could never figure out a way to judge time in a dream besides what I was doing. It is not like you can look a clock in the dream and take it as it accurate. LOL

I know the feeling of no one understanding, but I'm witnessing a change for the better. Some of my friends try to lucid dream and one has even succeeded. Even a few other people other people I know have learned about it. Generally it takes some type of kick-starter to get into lucid dreaming, there has to be some event or intent which really drives you to become good at it. A lot of people around me have accepted the idea of me lucid dreaming but still do not understand how real the dream world really is.

Originally Posted by dutchraptor

I know the feeling of no one understanding, but I'm witnessing a change for the better. Some of my friends try to lucid dream and one has even succeeded. Even a few other people other people I know have learned about it. Generally it takes some type of kick-starter to get into lucid dreaming, there has to be some event or intent which really drives you to become good at it. A lot of people around me have accepted the idea of me lucid dreaming but still do not understand how real the dream world really is.

I don't even know how old I was when I got started "Lucid Dreaming". It is such a long time ago. I only know for sure when I started to have some decent success at "Dream Control" which is 13/14 years old for Dream Sex. Over time it just became a challenge to try to get better and better control.

It also became like a mini vacation every night to just relax. I started to test myself later on. Like to try to force myself awake at will from inside a dream. I would also try to continue a dream I just ended by forcing myself awake. Everything now just comes naturally. I just think it and it happens. Is there something specific?

There have been studies done of pre-arranged signals that lucid dreamers would send and then try to count you know like in real life to get a sense of time passing and then repeat the pre-arranged signals. And if I remember correctly those studies showed that it took the lucid dreamer the same amount of time to count a certain amount of seconds as in real time. I do not know whether a lucid dreaming experiment has been conducted already of taking an activity that takes a known longer amount of time in real time and takes a fairly consistent amount of time for this person, and similarly signaling before and after said activity from lucid dream into real life. I am thinking that for a lucid dreamer who knows how to play the piano for example and has memorized a long piece, or someone who has memorized and learned to recite an epic poem, those should be good activities because in waking time the amount of time it takes the same person to do that could be measured. Does anyone know whether they have done any such experiments with longer activities - as I said I know it has been done with just short basic counting of seconds and such.

Another such activity that I just thought of could be knitting or crocheting. A lucid dreamer who knows how to do it in real life could try to recreate that in a lucid dream. I know it takes me a fairly consistent amount of time in real life to crochet a granny square in an afghan of a pattern that I have reproduced which crocheting many times. So if I were to be hooked up in a dream lab, I could while lucid start crocheting, and see whether my pace seems to reproduce a consistent amount of time similar to real life. Of course right now I am out of practice in crocheting, and even more out of practice in lucid dreaming, so I could not do it right now, but I know it could be done and someday I should be capable of that.

Originally Posted by JoannaB

There have been studies done of pre-arranged signals that lucid dreamers would send and then try to count you know like in real life to get a sense of time passing and then repeat the pre-arranged signals. And if I remember correctly those studies showed that it took the lucid dreamer the same amount of time to count a certain amount of seconds as in real time. I do not know whether a lucid dreaming experiment has been conducted already of taking an activity that takes a known longer amount of time in real time and takes a fairly consistent amount of time for this person, and similarly signaling before and after said activity from lucid dream into real life. I am thinking that for a lucid dreamer who knows how to play the piano for example and has memorized a long piece, or someone who has memorized and learned to recite an epic poem, those should be good activities because in waking time the amount of time it takes the same person to do that could be measured. Does anyone know whether they have done any such experiments with longer activities - as I said I know it has been done with just short basic counting of seconds and such.

Another such activity that I just thought of could be knitting or crocheting. A lucid dreamer who knows how to do it in real life could try to recreate that in a lucid dream. I know it takes me a fairly consistent amount of time in real life to crochet a granny square in an afghan of a pattern that I have reproduced which crocheting many times. So if I were to be hooked up in a dream lab, I could while lucid start crocheting, and see whether my pace seems to reproduce a consistent amount of time similar to real life. Of course right now I am out of practice in crocheting, and even more out of practice in lucid dreaming, so I could not do it right now, but I know it could be done and someday I should be capable of that.

Interesting points.
Yes, that first experiment has been done by Stephen Laberge, but as someone here once said, they were not trying to change the time within the dream. That study showed that dream time can be the same as normal time, but it didn't prove the fact that lucid time has to be the same.

The second point is a good one. With some dream control you could lock yourself in a dream until you finish it and take your time doing a 40 hour task. Wake up at the end of the night 8 hours later. Something you should try. I am not a crocheter.

But how would you know that the time was actually different? If you expected it to be, then wouldn't it just seem like it because you wanted it to?

Originally Posted by PlanesWalker

But how would you know that the time was actually different? If you expected it to be, then wouldn't it just seem like it because you wanted it to?

If it seemed like it was longer wouldn't that be all you need?

Originally Posted by BrandonBoss

If it seemed like it was longer wouldn't that be all you need?

I know by my own simple tests that "Dream Time" passes much faster than "Real Time". 5 minutes of "Real Time" while you're dreaming can seem like hours. I've tested this by waking myself up from a dream and looking a the clock before and after.

The problem with crocheting while lucid dreaming experiment is that it would essentially be the same experiment as the one LaBerge conducted only on a longer scale, since crocheting a known pattern involves counting (one counts stitches in each row, and one counts rows). I think the memorized piano piece and the reciting of a memorized poem would potentially have different results because you don't count while doing these activities, and thus it is a different experiment, I think. Anyway I think it would be worthwhile for someone to conduct this experiment on a much longer timescale then LaBerge and ideally not involving counting but an activity that for some other reason takes a fairly consistent amount of time in real life.

I've thought about this time issue before. I just feel when your mind it free (Not getting input from your senses) it runs much faster. So it kind of warps your reality of time. I don't think there is way to prove it or measure it. Everyone's reality and perception is their own. Your own POV.