Thread: I have perfect control of my dreams and want to try and share it with you

Originally Posted by Nox12

I closed my eyes and kept saying to myself, nothing will happen as long as i don't expect anything will happen. I kept saying that until eventually i felt like i was rising above the dream. And because i thought that, i started physically rising up.

I'm sure with a little searching I could turn up a similar dream scenario from a religious person who instead told themselves "Nothing will happen as long as I believe in Jesus", and have it work just as effectively as your expectation mantra. Doesn't do much to support the expectation approach.

And that whole levitating thing, you didn't do that on purpose, the dream just responded to your wandering attention. Which technically, you did do...

But I get you now. I finally get all you people who occasionally come in claiming complete control. I was wrong, you're not a freak.

Everyone is always in complete control of their dreams. I've always maintained this. The trick is to realize it, and observe how it works. The dream responds to your focused attention, and if you want to call the focus of that attention an expectation, then that is essentially correct.

Originally Posted by Nox12

Then i suddenly thought 'oh no I'm going to fall!' But then i stopped myself by thinking 'relax, i will only fall if i expect to fall'. I opened my eyes and looked down, and sure enough i was floating a few metres above the ground. I kept telling myself i will not fall if i don't expect to, but my heart was racing and i was too scared to do anything.

You don't have perfect control! You're just aware of how the dream responds to your focused attention. And I don't necessarily mean just control of the dream, but control of your attention as well, which is sorta the same thing.

Originally Posted by Nox12

I know I PM'd you saying I was sleeping, but then I decided to


In any case, if I didn't want zombies to be behind the door and I wasn't too scared, I would just not even think of zombies. (I never see zombies anyway). I'd think there was a beautiful landscape on the other side of the door.

Yeah, that's basically it. Best way to defeat a dream character is always to ignore it into oblivion. But the point I was trying to make is the expectation of there being no zombies is the same in both cases, only the methodology differs. But the negation method has a high chance of backfiring, so it has to be more than just expectations at play.

Originally Posted by Nox12

The whole concept that dream control might be difficult didn't even exist in my mind, that expectation was non-existent. As far as I was concerned, if I can control my dream, that means I can do anything. Since that was my expectation, that's how it worked. If I had visited these forums before I gained dream control, things might have been very different, because I would have expected achieving dream control to be a struggle.

You're describing paradigms or the archetypal structures I keep mentioning. Your unrestricted model and the model with heavy baggage you theoretically could have picked up here are both examples of these. The kind of dream control I'm talking about involves realizing this and choosing a model that best fits the situation. Kind of like playing a pokemon or magic the gathering card. Or a tarot card might be more precise, since they are more literal representations of these sorts of archetypal structures.

Originally Posted by Nox12

All I do in my dreams is: 1. I feel an urge to do something 2. I concentrate hard on making myself expect that thing to happen next 3. It just happens. So far this has always worked, and I don't expect that to stop any time soon.

Maybe some context here. Exactly how many lucid dreams have you had?

Originally Posted by Nox12

I read the first 4 posts in your thread and got the general gist of what you're saying, and I actually agree with you. And I don't think what I am saying contradicts you.

So the things you focus your attention on, your brain fills in the details. Emotions and schemas will, of course, influence how your brain colours the dream world. E.g. Because you expect the sky to be blue, when you fly in a dream, your brain draws the sky blue.

I look forward to hearing whether you agree or disagree with this.

I think you have an intuitive understanding of the basic processes of dream control. But I still say you should consider schemata and archetypes in neural networking model over expectations for dream control work. It allows for more complex manipulations of the dream, and provides a better framework to explain the things that appear in your dreams that you didn't consciously put there.

Originally Posted by The Cusp

I'm sure with a little searching I could turn up a similar dream scenario from a religious person who instead told themselves "Nothing will happen as long as I believe in Jesus", and have it work just as effectively as your expectation mantra. Doesn't do much to support the expectation approach.

And that whole levitating thing, you didn't do that on purpose, the dream just responded to your wandering attention. Which technically, you did do...

But I get you now. I finally get all you people who occasionally come in claiming complete control. I was wrong, you're not a freak.

Everyone is always in complete control of their dreams. I've always maintained this. The trick is to realize it, and observe how it works. The dream responds to your focused attention, and if you want to call the focus of that attention an expectation, then that is essentially correct.

You don't have perfect control! You're just aware of how the dream responds to your focused attention. And I don't necessarily mean just control of the dream, but control of your attention as well, which is sorta the same thing.

Sorry to disappoint you , but I specifically gave that dream as the only example I remember when I wasn't in complete control, in fact I had almost no control. This was because I was too scared to think straight. I was petrified, I can still remember I could literally feel my heart beating hard inside my chest, that's how scared I was. I simply wasn't able to think about expectations and all the rest of it.

You are absolutely right, I was lifted up by my dream, I didn't ask for that. And then I almost fell because of my dream, in fact I felt the initial falling sensation, but then I stopped it.

I completely agree with you that a Christian might achieve a similar outcome if he expects his belief to prevent anything bad from happening.

Yeah, that's basically it. Best way to defeat a dream character is always to ignore it into oblivion. But the point I was trying to make is the expectation of there being no zombies is the same in both cases, only the methodology differs. But the negation method has a high chance of backfiring, so it has to be more than just expectations at play.

Well we agree about ignoring zombies, but my approach to this issue seems to be different. If you think "there are no zombies behind this door", then that leaves open the question "what is behind the door?" You are leaving your brain to fill in the gap. The correct approach is always to think about what you want to see, leaving no gap for your brain to fill. If you think about what ISN'T behind the door, you are leaving your brain to decide what is behind the door, and the most obvious thing is the topic you were just thinking about i.e. zombies.

You're describing paradigms or the archetypal structures I keep mentioning. Your unrestricted model and the model with heavy baggage you theoretically could have picked up here are both examples of these. The kind of dream control I'm talking about involves realizing this and choosing a model that best fits the situation. Kind of like playing a pokemon or magic the gathering card. Or a tarot card might be more precise, since they are more literal representations of these sorts of archetypal structures.

I have to admit I'm not sure I understand about the paradigms and archetypal structures, but I think you are saying that it wasn't my expectations, but my general mindset that might have been influenced if I'd seen this site beforehand? Well I agree in that my general mindset influenced what I expected from my dreams, and hence what happened.

Maybe some context here. Exactly how many lucid dreams have you had?

I don't remember most dreams very well. I have about maybe 4 vivid lucid dreams in total, but much more than that which I remember waking up and thinking "wow that was an awesome dream!" but no longer remember what it was. Perhaps at least 15-20? I'm sure it's not as many as you - I just wanted to share my experience since I realise now it's quite rare.

I think you have an intuitive understanding of the basic processes of dream control. But I still say you should consider schemata and archetypes in neural networking model over expectations for dream control work. It allows for more complex manipulations of the dream, and provides a better framework to explain the things that appear in your dreams that you didn't consciously put there.

Well as I said earlier, I think we agree that the majority of your dream is not consciously controlled. We only control those parts that we put our attention towards. However, with those parts that we choose to take control of, whatever we expect to occur is what occurs. The subconscious fills in the details, taking into account emotions and underlying schemata as you said, but also more mundane things like external noises, touches, vibrations, etc.

I pretty much agree with everything your said in that last post.

Originally Posted by Nox12

I don't remember most dreams very well. I have about maybe 4 vivid lucid dreams in total, but much more than that which I remember waking up and thinking "wow that was an awesome dream!" but no longer remember what it was. Perhaps at least 15-20? I'm sure it's not as many as you - I just wanted to share my experience since I realise now it's quite rare.

Four!?!?!? Four remembered lucid dreams and you're claiming perfect control? That's like me only ever shooting one basket ball into the net, just one time, then claiming I never miss. I hope for your sake your streak keeps up, but I seriously doubt you'll be able to keep up that perfect record.

Here's some examples of some of my failures

-I try to walk on water, looking where I'm going, and sink into the water. I get out, know that everything requires your attention to exist in dreams, so I look up until I can't see the water at my feet. Then I walk and it works. I look down and see a very thin crust of colored ice beneath my feet.

-I want to part some trees like you would tall grass with your hands, but I want to do it telekinetically using my hands. I visualize it happening, fully expect it to, reach out, try.. and instead I get spotlights shooting out of the palms of my hands, like Iron Man's force blasts only spotlights. I figure waving my hands about activated whatever archetype represents "hand powers", and out of everything I consider a hand power, that was the strongest link or connection since I had just watched an animated Iron Man movie.

-I'm flying using swimming physics, a common default flying mode because the only archetypal structure representing movement we have actual experience with while stretched out horizontally is swimming. I fly out over a river and suddenly lose my ability to fly and crash into the water. I figure my swimming physics and the water are so closely related they just kind of snapped together like magnets.

Unexpected stuff happens no matter how good you are.

Hi Wdr, I see that your post says almost the same thing as what I said. so I'm not alone!

Originally Posted by The Cusp

I pretty much agree with everything your said in that last post.

Four!?!?!? Four remembered lucid dreams and you're claiming perfect control? That's like me only ever shooting one basket ball into the net, just one time, then claiming I never miss. I hope for your sake your streak keeps up, but I seriously doubt you'll be able to keep up that perfect record.

Unexpected stuff happens no matter how good you are.

Well, let's see what happens. I feel that this thread has increased my chances of not being able to control a dream, but I still think its highly unlikely.

It's not like shooting one basket ball - I've had at least about 20 of them, so it's like shooting about 20 balls straight into the net and claiming I never miss. :-) I would remember if I woke up and thought "hey I couldn't do this thing in my lucid dream even though I wanted to"

Anyway I'm glad we reached a convergence, I guess we were saying almost the same thing all along but just didnt realise it.

Originally Posted by The Cusp

I pretty much agree with everything your said in that last post.



Four!?!?!? Four remembered lucid dreams and you're claiming perfect control? That's like me only ever shooting one basket ball into the net, just one time, then claiming I never miss. I hope for your sake your streak keeps up, but I seriously doubt you'll be able to keep up that perfect record.

Here's some examples of some of my failures

-I try to walk on water, looking where I'm going, and sink into the water. I get out, know that everything requires your attention to exist in dreams, so I look up until I can't see the water at my feet. Then I walk and it works. I look down and see a very thin crust of colored ice beneath my feet.

-I want to part some trees like you would tall grass with your hands, but I want to do it telekinetically using my hands. I visualize it happening, fully expect it to, reach out, try.. and instead I get spotlights shooting out of the palms of my hands, like Iron Man's force blasts only spotlights. I figure waving my hands about activated whatever archetype represents "hand powers", and out of everything I consider a hand power, that was the strongest link or connection since I had just watched an animated Iron Man movie.

-I'm flying using swimming physics, a common default flying mode because the only archetypal structure representing movement we have actual experience with while stretched out horizontally is swimming. I fly out over a river and suddenly lose my ability to fly and crash into the water. I figure my swimming physics and the water are so closely related they just kind of snapped together like magnets.

Unexpected stuff happens no matter how good you are.

The only dreams I remember n have Im in control, had strange one once were seemed like on some kind of beach at night but the sky was like nothing iv seen n I was running at high speeds, not super hero film fast but faster than human speed and was my chest was deep breathing but wasnt out of breath and jump over dunes n rocks with percision.