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Originally Posted by Graves
I'm reading, but what are you trying to argue then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Graves
I never experience controlling my dreams but if I can learn that I will probably choose what to dream and how long will it take to have that dream.
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Time changing... so one of you is arguing time cannot change just the perception of time can. The other one is arguing that the perception of time is the only evidence of time we have ever had... fun fun.
Not here to argue, just to share my opinion.
In lucid dreams it seems like my perception of time is about the same as real time. Going from alarms that go off and another experiment I won't go into.
But in real dreams you will often dream that weeks will go by. I think that it doesn't matter if you perceive weeks or if it actually is weeks. What you perceive is all that matters and if you can perceive time taking longer in a lucid dream then that is Boss.
I once had a dream that I had a childhood friend. This dream inserted memories throughout my entire life, changing my childhood. seeming to take a long time, but seeming like it only was me remembering it. I woke up and started being afraid that it had all been a dream. I found her sleeping on my couch and I was relieved. I then woke up for real and knew that she was gone.
I don't know how to change the time in a dream. But you can think about tons of different memories at one moment, just think of a friend and you will have dozens of memories pop up. If you try to remember fake things in your dream wouldn't they pop up as well? You might just seem to remember the things and not actually dream through it, but after that it just goes to a memory anyways and it will get mixed in with the dream.
So technically speaking, if you were to take those weeks and multiply them by years, centuries even. Then wouldn't you awaken from past memories? Like aging, you never remember instantaneous instances, only feelings and clips. So wouldn't this "theory of life" metaphorically state that a separate life in the dream world could be achieved with its feelings and clips? You only proved 1 side wrong by manipulative passive behavior by sayingQuote:
Originally Posted by BrandonBoss
But you dont want to argue, bring your trolling elsewhere sir :)Quote:
Originally Posted by BrandonBoss
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no no no, I am not saying that it "happens instantaneously." like living through it. I am saying you create a fake memory of something that never happened. It wouldn't be like living through it at all. Almost like Total Recall. Insert memory here. Not changing time.
If you think of a memory right now, you can think of something vague like "last time I went to the dentist" you would remember the thing as a whole, and some graphic sucky highlights. This wouldn't be reliving through it or take any time at all. So what I am saying is think something like that when you are in a dream and you will insert a memory of a long amount of time that could have happened years ago. This wouldn't be changing the time of a current dream, just inserting a memory.
Or when you are in a non LD and you remember "The monkey told me he really wanted those papers at his tree desk by seven perpendiculars." and the entire dream you are trying to fulfill something that didn't even happen in the dream. If you think about it for a second while in the dream you will actually remember the monkey telling you that, but it didn't happen.
Don't hate. Be a dreamer. Remember that the reason we dream is to not have limitations. :)
But the dreams are real. Therefor they are. If you can create memories; that you have agreed is possible already. Then metaphysically it does happen, you have feelings, sight, hearing, intuition, and smell. If you have a memory, its real because you cannot prove it isn't, like something that you think has happened before that actually hasn't and your friends correct you on it. You believe its real because you haven't been told it's not.
You understand what Im getting at?
Time dilation is most definitely possible.
get at me, lets explore!
I guess they would be as real as you expect them to be. Because normally what you expect to happen in a dream, happens.
There is too much uncertainty for people to be speaking with that much certainty, also, believers don't have to be proven their belief is false, they're the ones that have to try and take that step, get it done through experience (first and foremost) and only then attempt to explain it logically. What does it matter if big time dilation is plausible or not if people aren't getting anywhere? :D Let's get to it guys, make it happen !
I actually dont think its possible to control you dream time!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Deatcry15x
Here is why
You are a soul with a body that body needs fuel if you get thirsty or hungry in an OBE or LD the dream will fade its simple as that the idea actually of prolonging the dream while the body is in desperate need of fuel is absurd. If thats possible then complete separation of the body without returning should be possible too witch in turn kinda scares me :) Because if you think of it it can be possible too only no proof has been found over this because if you leave for good you never return so you cant share the information about it.