• Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views




    Results 1 to 9 of 9
    Like Tree17Likes
    • 12 Post By Ctharlhie
    • 1 Post By MarineRecon
    • 1 Post By The Cusp
    • 1 Post By Taffy
    • 1 Post By Spyguy
    • 1 Post By DeathTopping

    Thread: Training in the Essentials of Lucid Dream Control

    1. #1
      Lucid Elder God Achievements:
      Created Dream Journal Made lots of Friends on DV Referrer Bronze Tagger First Class Veteran First Class 5000 Hall Points
      Ctharlhie's Avatar
      Join Date
      Apr 2011
      LD Count
      non-Euclidean
      Location
      R'lyeh
      Posts
      1,702
      Likes
      1672
      DJ Entries
      17

      Training in the Essentials of Lucid Dream Control

      Basic techniques in the basics of mastering the Dream

      Introduction
      This guide is intended as a kind of active training programme for newbies and those like me who have had a few lucid dreams but need to brush up on their skills in dream control. I take no credit for most of the techniques and tasks on show here, but rather my aim is to compile them together into one whole that should be practised on a regular basis, both to establish a basic level of dream control ability, and to keep that ability sharp. I urge anyone with a serious interest in the mechanics underlying dream control to read the tutorials of Billybob, Mzzkc and The Cusp, I’ve found their writings to indispensable in gaining an understanding of dream control.
      So these tasks aren’t presented as ‘goals’, one-offs to tick of the list when completed and never returned to, but as disciplined activities aimed to increase engagement with your dreaming abilities. I think many would be master lucid dreamers find failure and lose motivation due to having goals that are too lofty for their initial lucid dreaming control. I know that when I first learned of lucid dreaming I wanted to go to Middle Earth, have aerial slow motion gunfights, when I had my first lucid dream it became apparent that to achieve those things I’d need to practice. Hard.
      I came up with this idea because I found that my lucid dreams lacked focus, I needed practical, attainable goals to aim for, I’m hoping to get better at dream control by using them, I’m a beginner.
      So the following tasks are intended as a kind of schooling in fundamental control, in order to get the best out of every lucid dream you have until you get the experience under your belt to do the really ambitious things.
      The list is far from complete, make your own tasks in the categories set out or categories of your own


      Stabilisation:
      Fairly obvious, in order to get the best out of every lucid dream you have you need to establish a stable environment to achieve your goals, most of the lucid dreams I’ve had so far had great potential but were ruined because I rushed of at the first thing I saw in the dream without grounding myself in the dreamspace, aim to practise these each time you become lucid.

      -Use one stabilisation technique at the outset of every lucid dream

      --Rubbing Hands (one of the Stephen Laberge classics, I find this guarantees higher quality visuals and a more stable and tangible dream scene, this should be your first port of call once you become lucid)

      --Spinning (the other staple of stabilisation tutorials. Don’t go mad with this one, for initial stabilising would be ‘turning’, if you haven’t tried this before try spinning slowly on your heel in order to see the whole scene, this will ground you in the dream by engaging you visual cortex and activating the equilibrium centres of the brain, drawing attention to your dream body-image. Full blown spinning should be saved for when you feel you are losing visuals or the dream is fading)

      --Engaging the senses (one that’s been discussed a lot on Dreamviews, this technique will enhance the vividness of all your dream sense if used well, simply try to look at, touch, smell, taste, and hear as many things in the dream as you can in a short space of time, moving from object to object. Try not to focus on one object for too long otherwise the scene around you may lose some stability, likewise you shouldn’t become so absorbed in the details of the dream as to lose awareness that you are dreaming!)

      --Putting on glasses (pretty cool this one, makes sense for any glasses wearing dreamers out there to increase the clarity of their dream sight with glasses. Can still be useful for those with 20/20 vision to put on glasses imbued with special properties, such as infra red vision )

      --Ask the Dreamer behind the Dream (This is inspired by ‘Lucid Dreaming: Gateway to the inner self’ by Robert Waggoner. Waggoner found through his experiences that there seemed to be some kind of observer behind the dream that responded to his requests and intent. In this way you can simply voice your wish for a more stable dream scene out loud to great effect)

      --Pop a pill (dream ecstasy, LSD etc. should appeal to the more psychedelic dreamers out there)


      Cognition:
      An often overlooked key to a stable dream is raising your cognition functioning so you have the clarity of thought and memory necessary to carry out a dream goal. I find illogical thinking and sluggish memory to be a greater hindrance than an unstable dream scene. Always remember to stay engaged with the dream when using these techniques, putting too much awareness into your thinking can sometimes wake you, if you think clearly at the outset of lucidity then you can skip these altogether.

      -Use one cognition technique at the outset of each lucid dream

      --Remember real life details (who are you? Where do you live? Etc.)

      --simple arithmetic (2x2=4, don’t get too complicated and don’t strive too hard for the correct answer)

      --Sing a song (a catchy melody and memorable lyrics will help raise you awareness, I’ve found that I have an invisible jukebox in my dreams that can play any song I’ve ever heard as I go around in the dream)

      --recite poetry (for my fellow literary types out there)


      Dream Characters:
      Interacting with Dream Characters is a cornerstone of effective dream control, learning to work with DCs rather than against them should be an aim of any lucid dreamer. Through exercises like these you can make lasting connections with DCs in your dreams as well as find out the purpose for, and reintegrate with, shadow elements of your psyche.

      -Engage a dream character in conversation
      --Make friends with a DC

      -Test persistency of Dream characters (do DCs remain stable if you ignore them, leave the room and re-enter, ask them to disappear, etc. Are these things affected by your expectation?)

      -Look for recurrent DCs, find out they represent

      -Ask a DC to show/give you something, take you somewhere, etc.

      -Ask a DC for knowledge about lucid dreaming



      Dream Scene:
      Another key to lucid dream control is mastery over the dream scene.

      -look at the night sky (I've seen some amazing skies in lucid dreams and it can be a real eye opener to the creativity and power of your sub-conscious to see dizzying vistas created purely by your mind. Look out for alien planets in the night sky! )

      -look at beautiful dream landscapes

      -Change weather

      -Change the dream scene (This can be as simple as closing your eyes and then opening them again expecting to be in a new location. Spinning may come in handy here, spin until the scene vanishes and then visualise a new scene)

      --Change to a planned scene (before bed plan somewhere you really want to go to)

      -- Teleport using archetypal control (apparate, use a portal gun, Minecraft portal, the possibilities are endless!)

      -Step through a mirror

      -Visit locations you’ve been to in real life and note similarities and differences


      Dream Physics and Abilities:
      Confidence is the key here, remember that you are dreaming, occupying a mental construct. Physical laws only apply because you have developed ‘schemata’ that you are applying to dream space and act as according to your expectation (read the tutorials by Billybob, Mzzkc and The Cusp for a comprehensive overview of schemata and expectation effect). Try manipulating your expectations (cars have no wheels, roads are made of chocolate, all the houses on my street are upside down) before trying to alter physics in order to gain confidence in your role as the dream-maker.

      -Manipulate elements

      -Change dimensions

      -Alter gravity

      -Time dilation

      -Super strength

      -Super speed

      -Flying (I won’t go in-depth but I would refer you to Mancon’s excellent flying tutorial)

      -Swim
      --Underwater
      --Breathe underwater


      Dreamscape:
      What is the reality of your dream? Do things here that will try to stretch the possibilities of what is possible in a dream.

      -Find items in your adventures and store them in a ‘vault’ you will always be able to access where they will stay safe

      - Create a dream room that you can always return to, a ‘Dream Home’

      -Set out to explore your dreamscape

      -Create an permanent work of art and see how stable it remains

      -Create a unique and permanent dream companion animal that with its own personality that you can summon at any time.


      Conclusion:
      I hope this is useful in either providing a set of goals to provide motivation in dream practice or as guide to expanding your repertoire of lucid dreaming abilities
      Last edited by Ctharlhie; 12-17-2011 at 03:22 PM.
      My Lucid Dreaming Articles/Tutorials:
      Mindfulness - An Alternative Approach to ADA
      Intent in Lucid Dreaming; Break that Dry-Spell, Escape the Technique Rut

      Always, no sometimes think it's me,
      But you know I know when it's a dream
      I think I know I mean a yes
      But it's all wrong
      That is I think I disagree

      -John Lennon


    2. #2
      First to Dream Achievements:
      Made lots of Friends on DV 1000 Hall Points Veteran First Class
      MarineRecon's Avatar
      Join Date
      Oct 2011
      LD Count
      25
      Gender
      Posts
      552
      Likes
      131
      This is a very nice guide in describing the ethics of dream control.
      Ctharlhie likes this.
      Marine Recon
      Swift, Silent, Deadly
      DILD-14 WILD -5 FA-6

    3. #3
      DreamSlinger The Cusp's Avatar
      Join Date
      Oct 2006
      Location
      Ottawa, Ontario
      Posts
      4,877
      Likes
      647
      DJ Entries
      192
      Good thread! Just uncomfortable with the word expectation being used with control. It's close, just not sure it's accurate.

      If out of ever 10 times you visit a friend, he hits you in the nuts 2 out of 10 time, plays a prank on you 2/10, and give you a beer half the time, then in a dream you could logically expect that you have a 50% chance of him giving you a beer in that scenario, and a 20% chance for each of the other negative outcomes. But if getting kicked in the nuts makes you really angry, that emotion significantly increases the odds of that outcome happening in that dream scenario. These combined statistical relations are the archetype of that situation or person.

      So if I had to redefine the word expectation in the context of dream control, it would be: Expectation is the art of channeling the emotional weight of (usually) confidence into an expected outcome or archetypal branch in order to try and force that outcome.

      The emotional weight of my confidence would have to outweigh the intensity of my anger over getting kicked in the nuts in order to overpower probabilities .


      Anyway, my new years resolution is to start posting in that dream control sub board I made, and I hope to see you posting too.
      Ctharlhie likes this.

    4. #4
      Lucid Elder God Achievements:
      Created Dream Journal Made lots of Friends on DV Referrer Bronze Tagger First Class Veteran First Class 5000 Hall Points
      Ctharlhie's Avatar
      Join Date
      Apr 2011
      LD Count
      non-Euclidean
      Location
      R'lyeh
      Posts
      1,702
      Likes
      1672
      DJ Entries
      17
      The subtleties of expectation effect is something I've had to try to get my head around in my recent experiences. Sometimes it seems that the more you expect the more the unexpected occurs and that really it's confidence that drives expectation as you said (like when you notice you are gaining a lot of altitude and suddenly lose your flying ability).

      I'm looking forward to seeing your dream control board up and running and will definitely be posting
      My Lucid Dreaming Articles/Tutorials:
      Mindfulness - An Alternative Approach to ADA
      Intent in Lucid Dreaming; Break that Dry-Spell, Escape the Technique Rut

      Always, no sometimes think it's me,
      But you know I know when it's a dream
      I think I know I mean a yes
      But it's all wrong
      That is I think I disagree

      -John Lennon


    5. #5
      Upside down Achievements:
      Tagger First Class Made lots of Friends on DV Vivid Dream Journal 5000 Hall Points Veteran Second Class
      Taffy's Avatar
      Join Date
      May 2010
      LD Count
      ~40
      Gender
      Posts
      1,416
      Likes
      807
      DJ Entries
      163
      I agree, really practicing certain things instead of doing completely new things every time is worth it. I wanted to master shapeshifting in lucids, so I kept on doing it and now I can pretty much do it whenever I need to (unless I'm not putting my whole attention into it).
      Ctharlhie likes this.

    6. #6
      Next-Level EpicOneironaut Achievements:
      Tagger Second Class Created Dream Journal 1000 Hall Points Made lots of Friends on DV Referrer Bronze Veteran First Class
      Spyguy's Avatar
      Join Date
      Jan 2011
      LD Count
      Epic
      Gender
      Posts
      750
      Likes
      353
      DJ Entries
      1
      I love this thread GJ Ctharlhie!

    7. #7
      Chief of Lucidness Achievements:
      Made Friends on DV Created Dream Journal 1000 Hall Points 1 year registered 3 years registered

      Join Date
      Oct 2011
      LD Count
      5
      Gender
      Location
      Texas
      Posts
      47
      Likes
      4
      DJ Entries
      23
      Really interesting and helpful thread. Got dissapointed when there was no more to read once I finished!
      Ctharlhie likes this.
      Lucid Dreams - 5 WILD:1 MILD:1 DEILD:1 DILD:2

      Lucid Dream Check List - A = Attempted X = Completed

      Fly[] Throw Fire[A] Teleport[A] Transform[] Command a Spaceship[] Explore the Universe[]

      Dream Count as of March 27'th; Non-Lucid Dreams - 2 Lucid Dreams - 0

    8. #8
      Lucid Elder God Achievements:
      Created Dream Journal Made lots of Friends on DV Referrer Bronze Tagger First Class Veteran First Class 5000 Hall Points
      Ctharlhie's Avatar
      Join Date
      Apr 2011
      LD Count
      non-Euclidean
      Location
      R'lyeh
      Posts
      1,702
      Likes
      1672
      DJ Entries
      17
      Thanks for all the positive feedback everybody
      My Lucid Dreaming Articles/Tutorials:
      Mindfulness - An Alternative Approach to ADA
      Intent in Lucid Dreaming; Break that Dry-Spell, Escape the Technique Rut

      Always, no sometimes think it's me,
      But you know I know when it's a dream
      I think I know I mean a yes
      But it's all wrong
      That is I think I disagree

      -John Lennon


    9. #9
      First to Dream Achievements:
      Made lots of Friends on DV 1000 Hall Points Veteran First Class
      MarineRecon's Avatar
      Join Date
      Oct 2011
      LD Count
      25
      Gender
      Posts
      552
      Likes
      131
      Quote Originally Posted by Ctharlhie View Post
      Thanks for all the positive feedback everybody
      No problem, I actually learned some things here and there that I never knew.
      Marine Recon
      Swift, Silent, Deadly
      DILD-14 WILD -5 FA-6

    Similar Threads

    1. Training your Will! (Control Powers)
      By jackdude007 in forum Dream Control
      Replies: 11
      Last Post: 09-18-2010, 04:22 PM
    2. Dream Control Training Course
      By Tosxychor in forum Dream Control
      Replies: 20
      Last Post: 03-22-2010, 01:47 PM
    3. Brain Training Induced Lucid Dream (BTILD)
      By Flying Spaghetti Monster in forum Attaining Lucidity
      Replies: 23
      Last Post: 12-16-2008, 07:24 AM
    4. Have you ever tried training yourself in a Lucid Dream?
      By ChaybaChayba in forum General Lucid Discussion
      Replies: 3
      Last Post: 03-29-2008, 07:18 PM
    5. Hmm... Lucid training?
      By bgorichanaz in forum Lucid Experiences
      Replies: 6
      Last Post: 05-10-2006, 04:47 AM

    Bookmarks

    Posting Permissions

    • You may not post new threads
    • You may not post replies
    • You may not post attachments
    • You may not edit your posts
    •