Right, I think it's time to admit that I need some help with dream control!

**lucidmage** · 07-28-2011 11:04 AM

So I'm pretty good at lucid dreaming, been doing so on and off for years now. I remember finding this site a couple of years a go and reading about passive dream control: make up a story in the dream to explain why something is happening. Here is the issue, literally as I write this post I have just woken up from my lastest LD. I could tell that my level of clarity was high, reckon about 90%-95%. But it was so lucid (or would vivid be better here?) that when trying to fly I couldn't. Even when I dropped backwards onto the ground to test how lucid the dream was, I fell onto the road where cars were passing by and felt pain (slight) as my head hit the ground.

Pain in a dream?

I remember also trying to want to remove this DC for personal reasons because he was in the way of what I wanted to do. So he was driving me somewhere, I tried to make up a story that his car would break down and he would get killed by some random mugger

But, no matter how much I wanted it to happen, it never did! I ended up getting dropped off at some random place and he got away. I was like wtf

Seriously, what is going on here? Some LD's I have lots of dream control, but I reckon in retrospect that it must be to do with the level of lucditiy. One's where I'm struggling to keep control my myself and they seem rather hazzy and less fluid seem to be more easy to manipulate. Which makes no sense to me.

What went wrong here? Was I not believing hard enough?

Heck I even stopped some random DC's and asked, "Look, I know you're all DC's so can you please tell me why I can't control this dream well?

Their reply was something about me not believing because what I was asking for was too difficult to believe in. I should start off with easier things.

Hmmmm... that's a pretty good answer comming from a DC!

Well, I didn't think it was hard.

Thanks for reading this post, I know it seems like a rant, but I'm honestly open to suggestions!

**Typho** · 07-29-2011 01:41 PM

Well you could probably consider trying to find you DG (Dream guide) When I met mine, (well I met HER a long time before I realized she was my DG), I had already had 5 LDs , and was starting to get farmiliar with affirming (say for instance, I want to drink some choclate milk in a dream. I tell myself that there is a table in the other room with a cool glass of milk on it.) If I can belive 100% that there is a table with a glass of chocolate milk, then there will be.

When you Affirm something, start out simple. A dollar bill. A comb, a piece of candy, or an apple. Something simple. This will build up your confidence, making affirmation easier when you want to try other things like your friend.

They say if you want something done right , do it yourself. So If you want to Kill that DC, Affirm that there is a gun (or whatever weapon suits you) in the glove compartment of the car. And you can fill in the rest.

You can use Affirmation to find your DG. It might be hard to do that having no Idea what they look like.

Once I found my guide, she turned out to have this spell book and taught me how to shoot water out of my hands. I am now hard-set on learning to fly. If you can't fly just by holding your arms out, Affirm up a Jet Pack or something. Flying is very important in dreams, because it is a fast way to travel around obstacles or get a good vantage point in the dream world.

**The Cusp** · 07-29-2011 06:57 PM

Actually, the advice your DCs gave you is terrible. Belief has nothing to do with dream control. Beliefs are nothing but archetypal structures, and their effectiveness depends entirely on how well defined they are. If you make up a belief on the spot, it doesn't have much power.

To get rid of annoying DCs, just ignore them into oblivion. Everything requires you attention to exist, and ignoring DCs who get in your way is by far the best way to deal with them.

Next time you want to control DCs, like when you wanted someone to kill your annoying DC, try using confidence as an emotion. The stronger you radiate that confidence or emotion, the better it will work.

**lucidmage** · 07-30-2011 12:15 AM

Originally Posted by Typho

Well you could probably consider trying to find you DG (Dream guide) When I met mine, (well I met HER a long time before I realized she was my DG), I had already had 5 LDs , and was starting to get farmiliar with affirming (say for instance, I want to drink some choclate milk in a dream. I tell myself that there is a table in the other room with a cool glass of milk on it.) If I can belive 100% that there is a table with a glass of chocolate milk, then there will be.

When you Affirm something, start out simple. A dollar bill. A comb, a piece of candy, or an apple. Something simple. This will build up your confidence, making affirmation easier when you want to try other things like your friend.

They say if you want something done right , do it yourself. So If you want to Kill that DC, Affirm that there is a gun (or whatever weapon suits you) in the glove compartment of the car. And you can fill in the rest.

You can use Affirmation to find your DG. It might be hard to do that having no Idea what they look like.

Once I found my guide, she turned out to have this spell book and taught me how to shoot water out of my hands. I am now hard-set on learning to fly. If you can't fly just by holding your arms out, Affirm up a Jet Pack or something. Flying is very important in dreams, because it is a fast way to travel around obstacles or get a good vantage point in the dream world.

Well, I thought about doing this but not sure how to start or if one even exists. Though I'm willing to have an open mind and try it out, but I could do with some simple advice on how.

**Giuseppe** · 07-30-2011 12:40 PM

For a long time, there were certain things I could not do while lucid dreaming. In my case, wooden manikins would be operating machines constructed mainly of gauges and pipes, seemingly integrated into the environment. No matter how I tried, the manikins could not be locked up, burned, broken or blasted away. I could remove and destroy the machines, but they would always be rebuilt within a few minutes in a random location when the manikins saw that I had destroyed them. I only managed to stop them when I willed them into a different place entirely - someplace far away from where I go when I dream. I still sometimes see them, but only when I 'ask' for them. For me, trial and error seemed to work best. I had 'relocate' them rather that kill them. A part of me still thinks that they are still building, wherever I put them.

Try everything! Many people have limits in their dreams; if there were no limits, nothing could exist properly. I could not destroy manikins, but I could relocate them out of the way. My limit was one on my destructive capabilities. Try to work around your limitations, too.

**Hack** · 07-31-2011 09:12 PM

Originally Posted by Giuseppe

For a long time, there were certain things I could not do while lucid dreaming. In my case, wooden manikins would be operating machines constructed mainly of gauges and pipes, seemingly integrated into the environment. No matter how I tried, the manikins could not be locked up, burned, broken or blasted away. I could remove and destroy the machines, but they would always be rebuilt within a few minutes in a random location when the manikins saw that I had destroyed them. I only managed to stop them when I willed them into a different place entirely - someplace far away from where I go when I dream. I still sometimes see them, but only when I 'ask' for them. For me, trial and error seemed to work best. I had 'relocate' them rather that kill them. A part of me still thinks that they are still building, wherever I put them.

Try everything! Many people have limits in their dreams; if there were no limits, nothing could exist properly. I could not destroy manikins, but I could relocate them out of the way. My limit was one on my destructive capabilities. Try to work around your limitations, too.

Same, I've been LDing for as long as I could remember and I still can't get guns to work in my hands, Like they would turn to water guns but when I give it to soemone else they are real. >_>

**Puffin** · 07-31-2011 09:28 PM

Visualization helps tremendously for me; if you haven't tried it, I strongly suggest so. If you're holding a gun, it helps to "know" what the texture of the gun's material is like, how heavy it is, etcetera. However, you should also know what it looks like. When you pull the trigger, don't blank out. Instead, know 100% a bullet will come out at a high speed, and imagine how the gun would move during the blast that forces the bullet through the barrel. Imagine your target being hit. Basically, imagine what all the aspects of what you want to control will look like, and behave like.