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A couple of nights ago woke at 5, hard to wake, wrote dream and went to bathroom and light stretch, then no sleep for next hour until I got up still...meant more time for morning meditation
It's good that you found the positive side I am not sure what your typical post WBTB timeframe is but I prefer to have at least 2-3 hours left to sleep after a WBTB...but everyone's ideal time segment for lucid dreaming may be a little different. I like at least 2-3 hours because I tend to have my strongest lucidity in my next to last REM period, but I frequently get 9 hours of sleep or 6 REM periods and that last one between 7.5 to 9 hours tends to be more fleeting…unless perhaps I am experiencing REM rebound after less sleep the night before. So 3 hours plus is ideal...but with at least 2 hours left I have a good shot of getting a full 90 minute cycle in where REM is not cut short by needing to wake up, and it still has a good chance of not being fleeting if I happen to be getting closer to 7.5 hours sleep that night (since 6 to 7.5 hour period seems to be best for me). Let me know if that is too much of a mess to decipher.

I think the fun goals access a different motivation which is useful and has crossover.
I strongly agree!

As I was hiking the other day I thought how much fun it would be to transform into a horse and gallop, or in general to be able to shift perspective into different dream characters or not have perception confined to the dream ego...
I think these kinds of thoughts are very useful to lucid dreaming practice, in addition to being fun IWL! Nice!

Fogelbise, in a different thread you were mentioning the peg system for remembering dream goals. I've been playing with memory systems lately. A couple of times I used them to remember dreams during the night rather than waking and writing. In Daniel loves book he talks about using memory systems to remember long lucids and also to remember dream goals while in the lucid. It could be handy during a lucid if you could recall some of the sequence and tie it into a memory system, but I've found sometimes If my mind wanders into to much remembering during the dream it feels a bit like im not in the dream and I wake...Perhaps with more confidence and expectation it may work. Curious what your use of the peg system has been...
His book is actually where I got the peg system. I think I played with using the peg system to remember parts of the dream but I have concern that it could interfere with using the pegs for my goals. One way to get around this would be to use pegs 1-5 (or 1-10) for goals and then pegs 6-10 (or 11-20) for dream recall. I currently use pegs for goals and letter tags for recall. Letter tags example from two nights ago HMS HM_? I remember the phrase "Her Majesty's Ship, Her Majesty's _____ (forgot)." When I wake I write down H=House, M=Mall, S=Stars, 2nd HM_: H=Hands, M=now forget, ___ tag forgotten but it may be for one of the scenes that I do remember and just forgot the letter tag I created for it. It sounds like you know how to use pegs from Love's book, but I currently have 1-10 filled with my goals. I tend to focus on just a few of the pegs and goals at a time and keep the other pegs there for any lucidity where I decide to go after multiple goals. This also allows me to not lose track of goals that may be on the back burner, but goals that I do want to work on (like narrating my dreams…back burner right now but I think it is a very valuable goal that, by the way seems it would be a great way to capture as much recall as possible if you are consistently narrating as you go through the lucid.).