Thread: Raziiel's Workbook (The Frenchy's Workbook)

Thanks for your advice but I know that I need to wake up earlier I wasn't going for a WBTB at first I tried because I felt a little tired but not enough I guess
And about the recall I remembered 7 dreams Monday 1 yesterday and 2 today but I drank and I smoked the 2 last nights so my recall is really improving because that's the first time I manage to remember my dreams after smoking and drinking and 7 dreams is a lot for me !

7 dreams in one night is excellent! At least you know that you have it in you! I also have "1 dream" nights occasionally and even sometimes only a hint of a dream. "2 dream" nights are somewhat common, though I usually do better than that. You can become lucid with those numbers, it's just a matter of time, and WBTB will give you your best chances of becoming lucid, especially paired with SSILD or MILD.

Yes, I thought I should mention WBTB timing just in case you didn't know. I do the same thing sometimes, trying a late WBTB. It is certainly something worth experimenting with just as long as you don't get frustrated. For most people this would have a lower payout and thus could be frustrating. BUT, everyone is different. If you can still get some substantial REM/dreams going in the late morning and you can find a better way to get back to sleep, it could very well pay off more consistently. Some people also get up for a few hours and take a nap later in the morning and find lots of success.

I'm here again !

I lost my motivation one more time but today I was thinking about LDs so I started to read my DJ and it makes me wanna remember my dreams because it felt so good and this time I'm not doing this only to get a LD but to enjoy and to learn from my dreams

Good idea! My non-lucid dream recall is what keeps me going in between LDs, I think a goal of getting close to your dreams and recalling them well, while working towards lucidity as much as you can, is a great way to go!

^Agreed, so many cherished experiences can come from non-lucid dreams as well! Welcome back Raziel!

Thank you guys

I wanted to share something with you, since I came back here I also decided to meditate everyday before going to sleep and yesterday it was amazing.

I went to bed, lay down and started to concentrate on my breath, it calmed down and it began to feel like a sleeping breath, then my body felt heavier and heavier and I started to see a lot of colors and flashes behind my eyelids at this moment I thought "Oh maybe it's a WILD beginning ! " I tried to vizualise me flying over the sea and I got some images but I felt like my body was disconnected from my mind it was really weird so I moved and everything stoped this experience was so intense that I was breathless after it but the feeling was great

I'd be happy if you guys can share some similar experiences or give me advice or stuff like that

That does sound like an interesting experience. It could have been hypnagogic hallucinations or you might have actually maintained awareness into nREM sleep where you might have been in a light-sleep portion of your sleep cycles before you drop into deep sleep…though I am no expert on the exact progression through the nREM stages. Sometimes this can bring greater awareness throughout the night and give you a chance for a DILD, but a WILD would have been rare if this was when you first went to bed. We recommend WILD attempts after at least 4.5 hours of sleep, which is after approximately 3 sleep cycles for the average person (some variations between people). I found mine are very close to every 90 minutes normally, sometimes closer to 100 minutes which may be due to REM rebound. The water method seems to wake me up at the end of REM, so I always recommend trying the water method before going with alarms.

I'm not a WILD expert but I get lucky sometimes…mostly I get DILD's. I highly recommend this: http://www.dreamviews.com/wild/13181...prep-part.html and all of Sageous' WILD lessons for the WILD side of the practice. Do keep posting here though…I am not sending you away, haha!

Ok thanks for your feedback and actually what you said remind me a thread I read a long time ago about nREM sleep I should look at it again because I think you might be right.
Maybe I'll do the water method to get to this state in the middle of the night it has worked once so I guess I can do it again

Hey Raziiel, content de te savoir de retour! Je viens aussi de redevenir actif sur DV héhé.


I think you're developping a great attitude towards LDs by liking you non lucid ones! If you work on dream recall with this approach, they're going to get more and more vivid to the point where you'll attain lucidity.

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I wish I'll eventually attain lucidity but it's not my major goal anymore

I got my first LD last night !
I was at the beach with my friend we surfed during all the afternoon, for me surfing is a way of escaping the world I can leave my thoughts and my problems on the beach and be in the moment, we had a drink and ate on the beach after our session and we started talking about lucid dreaming I explained to them what it was and what I was doing like meditation, paying attention to the present and all this thing.
During my dream I was going to hop in a car and I realized I was dreaming I didn't do anything special, I just knew, the dream became blurry because i was excited so I calmed down and decided to follow the story of the dream, the DC in the car started to drive and I tried to talk to him but he didn't answer that was weird so I let the dream continue and we eventually got out of the car and I followed him but I felt my lucidity going down so I thought i needed to change the dream scene and I tried that but nothing happened and I lost my lucidity.
Even if I didn't do anything crazy I'm really happy about that and I hope I'll do some other LDs but my routine will still the same I'm meditating every day and trying to be in the moment as much as possible

Excellent, congratulations! That's the way it happens a lot of the time, you just know it. Keep up your practice and you'll get more and more!

Congratulations Raziiel!! I am excited to hear that you had your first lucid dream!!

You should change your LD count from "none" to whatever seems best to you…Like "1" or "First of Many" or whatever.

Congratz on your first lucid dream Raziiel!

Thank you guys I'm very happy and I hope this is the first of many as fogelbise said

Originally Posted by Raziiel

Thank you guys I'm very happy and I hope this is the first of many as fogelbise said

It absolutely can be…and it will be if you stick to it!

Well nothing crazy is happening right now, I'm focusing on my recall, meditation and mindfulness and I'm trying to be as involved as possible

Those are very god things to focus on! Pretty much covers the bases. Also don't forget to think about lucid dreaming itself from time to time, and remind yourself how great it would be to have a lucid dream tonight or very soon!

I have kind of a little problem, I tried SSILD a couple nights and I cant get in the trance state I was talking about months ago in my workbook anymore

When I focus on my eyelids, I don't see a lot of things compared to before and the SSILD seems not to do anything except making me feel my body heavier but that's all.

Do you have some clue or advice guys, maybe it's because I'm not tired enough or things like that but I don't know.

I find that generally "trying hard to see things" delays the slipping into the deeper states. One way I describe is is that it's a sensation of "holding on". Thinking too much or "trying to make things happen" seems to usually be a hindrance to things actually happening . You want your mind to really settle down and quiet the inner voice/chatter. Practicing attention meditation (attention on the breath for example) is a good way to get a feeling for this.

I'll try this tonight thank you for you advice

I just saw your SSILD question, so let me know if you are still getting stuck.

I didn't succeed at SSILD but I had a lot of HHs during my meditation these days

What do you feel went wrong (if anything) with your SSILD attempt? If you get through the cycles and go to sleep, one of these occasions you will have a DILD in the middle of a dream or maybe even find your awareness pop back up on your way to REM giving you a WILD-style entry into a dream. Don't wait for this or look for it at least until you are very experienced…instead just complete the cycles and doze off. It took me several SSILD attempts before I started having success and it eventually became very consistently successful.