LukeSid

That's a great table you've got there, LukeSid. Keeping track of things in this manner pays off in the long run. I've been piling up data like crazy too.

It's interesting that you have quite a number of dreams in the early hours. Is this related to the what you refer to as old people's REM periods? At any rate, having dreams and being able to remember early dreams is quite positive with regards to both your dream recall and lucidity possibilities. Were you also doing a wbtb?

Well, I like your scientific approach. Except that there is a problem here: you are basing your conclusion on two lucid dreams which both happened to fall into that time frame, but it is still too small a sample to conclude that your dreams are most likely to fall into that time frame only. However, there is a danger that if you conclude this that you might unintentionally set your expectation that you need that much sleep in order to have a lucid, whereas in reality perhaps you don't, but once you start expecting this, it becomes more likely because expectations are a huge determinant of what happens concerning dreams.

That's a great table you've got there, LukeSid. Keeping track of things in this manner pays off in the long run. I've been piling up data like crazy too.

It's interesting that you have quite a number of dreams in the early hours. Is this related to the what you refer to as old people's REM periods? At any rate, having dreams and being able to remember early dreams is quite positive with regards to both your dream recall and lucidity possibilities. Were you also doing a wbtb?

I think the early dreams may reflect this blog re age-related REMs The REM cycle, combining rules, and age. [Sleep. 1982] - PubMed - NCBI I even wonder whether some dreams are in Non-Rem periods? I usually did WBTB's around 06.00 AM but I had the two LD's after later WBTB's of roughly 07.30 AM (following Laberge's research that late WBTB's dramatically increase the possibility of lucidity)

The trouble is my age makes such long sleep periods difficult and outside traffic noise etc is greater...which is why I'm trying to "up" awareness in hopes of moving the LD periods further back. (so far, without result)

Well, I like your scientific approach. Except that there is a problem here: you are basing your conclusion on two lucid dreams which both happened to fall into that time frame, but it is still too small a sample to conclude that your dreams are most likely to fall into that time frame only. However, there is a danger that if you conclude this that you might unintentionally set your expectation that you need that much sleep in order to have a lucid, whereas in reality perhaps you don't, but once you start expecting this, it becomes more likely because expectations are a huge determinant of what happens concerning dreams.

Very good points. The LD's seem to confirm LaBerges claim that late WBTB's dramatically increase the chance of LD's (and the first two times I tried late WBTB's they did lead to LD's). However I'm steering towards the expectation that increased awareness will lead to earlier LD's but I can see that I need to be more positive about that view (i.e they will lead to earlier LD's)

I think the early dreams may reflect this blog re age-related REMs The REM cycle, combining rules, and age. [Sleep. 1982] - PubMed - NCBI I even wonder whether some dreams are in Non-Rem periods? I usually did WBTB's around 06.00 AM but I had the two LD's after later WBTB's of roughly 07.30 AM (following Laberge's research that late WBTB's dramatically increase the possibility of lucidity)

The trouble is my age makes such long sleep periods difficult and outside traffic noise etc is greater...which is why I'm trying to "up" awareness in hopes of moving the LD periods further back. (so far, without result)

I think there are lots of benefits of ADA/awareness related practices, so it goes without saying one should stick to those. Actually, I have to do more of these too. One can never get enough awareness practice! (or at least the Western person and their lifestyle ).

I've got an idea you may want to incorporate in your scientific approach. To play with a different wbtb duration (and maybe timing) and see how that goes. For example, week 1 wbtb duration 10 mins, results: more/less awareness in dreams, more/less dreams, etc. week 2, wbtb duration 15 min, results. Obviously, you can structure this as you like.

WBTB really works like a charm. For good or bad, when I get too awake and have trouble falling asleep, I get a very high chance of ld. If you could make the wbtb at 4-6 o'clock it may not be too loud outside yet.

Good luck, LukeSid!

Great idea NyxCC ... I've had a major problem to deal with, but that's sorted now so I'll try it.