Thread: Meditation Experiences

Day 2:
Thursday July 15, 2010

Time: ~10min

I sat in the lotus position and concentrated on my breathing. Unlike previous nights, I had a hard time clearing my mind. It would be clear until some thought would come dropping by. It wasn't too bad though, but, definitely not as deep as the last two days. Again, tried to implant the idea of lucidity and stopped it when I was sure that I couldn't do more.

Thoughts: Would have loved to go in deeper like the previous two days, but, I plan to take it easy and enjoy this. No need to rush, plenty of time left
Lucidity achieved: None unfortunately, maybe tonight?

Interesting project you've got here - but I think that you should be very careful not to let any kind of "mission" get in the way of your meditation. You are trying to silence your mind - thats called "transcendental meditation". You have to try and achieve "nothing" - and you can only do this by not having a goal other than silencing your mind.
Almost all of my LD's and WILDS have come after meditating either before sleep or waking up in the middle of the night, then doing some meditation (while lying down) It's not important if you fall asleep, because by meditating your mind become so much more focussed - and you will be much more aware in your dreams and can more easily become lucid, even without RC's.

A good advice for improving your ability to silence your mind, would be to remind yourself during the day to become aware of your sourroundings . look around you while emptying your mind for thoughts - feel your breathing in your stomach - and feel how everythings becomes more vibrant. This is not something you should imagine, but something that will come to you. Sometimes it feels like a veil being removed from my eyes - and I see things much clearer. It's all about focussing your mind on nothing - see how long you can keep that feeling - and remember to do "proper" meditation as well.

Many people believe that while meditating you grow your energy-body - and increases your consciousness - giving you easier acces to "supernatural stuff" such as OBE's, Lucid dreams and so forth. So it could be your key to LD's as a side-effect. Just remember that to really "grow" you need to connect to "nothingness" therefore when meditating, expect nothing, go with the flow and know that for every meditation on "nothing" you come closer to "everything".

Originally Posted by TJuulsgaard

Interesting project you've got here - but I think that you should be very careful not to let any kind of "mission" get in the way of your meditation. You are trying to silence your mind - thats called "transcendental meditation". You have to try and achieve "nothing" - and you can only do this by not having a goal other than silencing your mind.
Almost all of my LD's and WILDS have come after meditating either before sleep or waking up in the middle of the night, then doing some meditation (while lying down) It's not important if you fall asleep, because by meditating your mind become so much more focussed - and you will be much more aware in your dreams and can more easily become lucid, even without RC's.

A good advice for improving your ability to silence your mind, would be to remind yourself during the day to become aware of your sourroundings . look around you while emptying your mind for thoughts - feel your breathing in your stomach - and feel how everythings becomes more vibrant. This is not something you should imagine, but something that will come to you. Sometimes it feels like a veil being removed from my eyes - and I see things much clearer. It's all about focussing your mind on nothing - see how long you can keep that feeling - and remember to do "proper" meditation as well.

Many people believe that while meditating you grow your energy-body - and increases your consciousness - giving you easier acces to "supernatural stuff" such as OBE's, Lucid dreams and so forth. So it could be your key to LD's as a side-effect. Just remember that to really "grow" you need to connect to "nothingness" therefore when meditating, expect nothing, go with the flow and know that for every meditation on "nothing" you come closer to "everything".

Very well written and very nice to read, thanks That's pretty much the plan. In most of my LDs, I noticed that I just became aware of dreaming, so, meditating seemed to be the logical step to having more LDs and to also silence the mind to reek it's benefits. I was also thinking about increasing awareness during my waking life by searching around for a certain object. For example, I'll search for a tomato during my day and just keep track of how many I found, so, that I can improve my awareness and memory at the same time, but, it is quite difficult to keep my mind on that since I'm looking at the same environment at work or at home I have felt my mind silenced when I meditated Day 0 and 1 and it was pretty interesting, but, what I find is that if I'm not in the mood to meditate or thinking about something that I'm worried about during the day, then I have a very difficult time silencing my mind, even after writing my concern on a piece of paper. Day 0 and 1, I experienced no problem with silencing my mind within a minute of starting meditation. Day 2 on the other hand, I had a very difficult time and was only able to silence for a couple of seconds every once in a while hmm, you do make a good point about meditating while laying down because it means that if I am to sleep while meditating, I increase my chance of lucidity due to sleeping with a more focused and aware mind, maybe I'll give that a try whenever I try to WILD or if I don't feel like sitting in the lotus position. I am also indeed interested in what the benefits of meditation could be, such as the growth of the energy body, etc.... which is another reason I'm doing it, but, my main goal in all this is to obtain lucidity as a side-effect of meditation. Curious, what do you mean by "proper" meditation? I know there are different types, but, personally thought that this would be the best in my situation? One more thing to add, I was reading an article talking about meditation in a scientific magazine and they were talking about brain waves, gamma in particular. It was stated that gamma waves were rare in general, as in you only have some really small activity and mostly in dreams, but, those who meditated had gamma activity a lot during the day which I found interesting, but, they didn't seem to know the reason for that

you should start balancing your chakras, its really easy to learn and makes your meditation sessions 100 times better

"proper" meditation - by that I meant that the small meditation-like breaks you get in your everyday life, when focussing on something shouldn't replace your longer "proper" meditations with eyes closed and everything. I don't mean that some kind of meditation is better than others, but for me Transcendental meditation works best for now anyway ; )

I read Thomas Campbells book "My Big Toe" - he is a bigtime out of body explorer - and he talks greatly about transcendental meditation as a way to get acces to all different kind of (what many people would call) "supernatural/paranormal stuff" to a point where it becomes a part of your everyday life and you actually have to turn it off - to not experience it. He claims that you need to do 30 minutes 2 times a day in 3 months to achieve results quickly - but you can also do it slower in the end it all sums up. He talks alot about not trying to overdo things. It's not a question about reading the right books, going to seminars. It's ok to do it, but what it all comes down to is doing "nothing" - by transcendental meditation. Very good read on everything basically. You can find it for free on Google-books.

And yeah I also believe that there is much more to meditation than improving focus - its quite exciting. I have been meditating for 2 years now and it has definately made me see things in another light - giving me a much more calm approach to life.

I have also found out that for me - everyday reality-checking is a "no go" - I become to obsessed and too detached when doing that - meditation have given me an alternative approach - maybe slower, but steady and healthier approach to LD's, OBE's and such. I'm sure I will get even more benefits with it during the rest of my life. (only 37 so long time ahead ; )) most importantly it fits in with my normal life and doesn't interfere like RC's do for me.

Originally Posted by JamesLD

you should start balancing your chakras, its really easy to learn and makes your meditation sessions 100 times better

At one point, I tried that but to be honest, I'll much rather not play with my chakras and all. At least with the meditation I'm doing, I don't need to worry about that, just silence my mind but I do appreciate the idea, thanks

Originally Posted by TJuulsgaard

"proper" meditation - by that I meant that the small meditation-like breaks you get in your everyday life, when focussing on something shouldn't replace your longer "proper" meditations with eyes closed and everything. I don't mean that some kind of meditation is better than others, but for me Transcendental meditation works best for now anyway ; )

Ah, I see your point, yes, I've definitely had some of those before. Tried today at work but too noisy

Originally Posted by TJuulsgaard

I read Thomas Campbells book "My Big Toe" - he is a bigtime out of body explorer - and he talks greatly about transcendental meditation as a way to get acces to all different kind of (what many people would call) "supernatural/paranormal stuff" to a point where it becomes a part of your everyday life and you actually have to turn it off - to not experience it. He claims that you need to do 30 minutes 2 times a day in 3 months to achieve results quickly - but you can also do it slower in the end it all sums up. He talks alot about not trying to overdo things. It's not a question about reading the right books, going to seminars. It's ok to do it, but what it all comes down to is doing "nothing" - by transcendental meditation. Very good read on everything basically. You can find it for free on Google-books.

Interesting, yes, I recall you recommended it to someone on here and I did take a look at it on Google books, but, I would much rather have a hard copy. I think they also had some pages missing on Google books So, 1hr a day for 3 month, hmm, that's not too bad, but, an hour is a lot if one considers that having 15-20 minutes sessions can be exhausting. I'll probably work my way up to 30minutes eventually, maybe even more, just have to get to bed sooner to have more time

Originally Posted by TJuulsgaard

"And yeah I also believe that there is much more to meditation than improving focus - its quite exciting. I have been meditating for 2 years now and it has definately made me see things in another light - giving me a much more calm approach to life.

I have also found out that for me - everyday reality-checking is a "no go" - I become to obsessed and too detached when doing that - meditation have given me an alternative approach - maybe slower, but steady and healthier approach to LD's, OBE's and such. I'm sure I will get even more benefits with it during the rest of my life. (only 37 so long time ahead ; )) most importantly it fits in with my normal life and doesn't interfere like RC's do for me.

Nice to know that I'm not the only one that thinks there is more to it, it's the whole "what else" part that is very exciting to me, kinda like a mystery For me, I've had days where I do an RC every 15 minutes or so because I'm determined and others where I have to push myself to do them and that's not something that I want to do. I'll much rather have an LD because of putting an effort into something that's worthwhile. Add on my dreamsign which is fear and I can't RC to anything really I'm hoping that with meditation I can get more LDs, experience some of these "paranormal" experiences and improve my life by becoming calmer and more focused which could go a long way in studies or just life in general Thanks again for the post, very nice to know that RCs don't work for someone else as well Wondering one thing though, have you had any "paranormal" experiences since starting to meditate?

Day 3:
Friday July 16, 2010

Time: Unknown

I decided to try meditating when sleeping in bed. Like previous nights, I concentrated on my breathing. I was able to somewhat clear my mind, it was longer than the previous day but wasn't as good as my first two days. At one point, I got the sensation of the bed rising with me in it at a 45 angle. I kept on meditating until I eventually stopped because I wasn't able to get to sleep.

Thoughts: Well, I meditated longer than my previous days, but, I had a very hard time falling asleep. Makes me wonder if meditating before sleeping increases your energy levels and makes it hard to sleep, guess I'll find out with more practice
Lucidity achieved: Nope, but, I still have a long way to go

Yes I usually recommend Thomas Campbell just about everytime I get the opportunity ; ) I would recommend getting the book if you are willing to see life in general from a different viewpoint - sounds like it... It is quite an eyeopener on many levels.

Did I have any paranormal experiences since starting to meditate? - Yes and no - First off I must admit that I haven't been doing the kind of meditation I recommend for you for that long.
To be exact: for 2½ years ago I started getting into Out-of-body-experiences big time - read alot of books on the subject and tried every night to achieve just one - although very close I didn't succeed. That went on for a year, and every night I practised going deep into a trance, Body asleep/mind awake - and became quite good at it. It could be called meditation and share some of the same effects I believe, but all of the time I had one thing on my mind - going out of my body - and so it couldn't quite be called transcendental meditation. I also raised energy during my attempts both in general and trying to energise my chakras. During this year I started having more and more vivid dreams (didn't become lucid though) and could definately feel a difference in my being. I also started to listening to Hemisync-sound-files before going to sleep - also this is another kind of meditation - but still with a mission.

I started to experience other kind of conscious-levels, have you ever been in "3d blackness" (As Bruce Moen calls it) where you suddenly feel the black in front of your eyes becomes 3d? According to Bruce Moen and Thomas Campbell thats another conscious-level and it means that you have shifted your consciousness to another "dimension/plane/Non-physical-matter-reality".
I also experienced on many occasions that during Mind awake/body asleep I could see through my closed eyelids. Which have led me to really believe in the energy-body and chakras.

During that year I strongly believed that OBE meant that your soul left your body - now I believe that it is a case of shifting conscious-levels, so it is not so much a dark/white-matter - it is quite complex and the dreamworld is influencing things as well.

Back to meditation ; ):

During the next year I started getting an interest for Lucid dreaming instead - after a month of RC'ing I became lucid and enjoyed that for a a month or so where I became lucid once a week or so. This wasn't enough for me so I aimed high and got into Tibetan dream yoga - which also involves meditation and awareness-training. I also practised WILD during night, with some succes -but after a short period I decided that meditation was the way ahead for me and that LD's and OBE's had to be a sideeffect. Since then I have experienced LD's regularly, although not as frequent as when I started out - and a couple of OBE's. The OBE's felt VERY natural and I wasn't scared at all - because I felt ready to have them.
I mostly practise meditation before going to sleep - with my schedule and also becoming a father to kid no. 3 four months ago it is hard to get the time and quietness required to meditate properly. But I have practised meditation many forms since I started my quest 2½ years ago - 8 months ago I read "My Big Toe" and have been trying to do transcendental meditation ever since - but not as much as I would like and I still listen to Hemisync every other day - so I can't say that I have meet the requirements Mr. Campbell put up just yet.

Originally Posted by TJuulsgaard

Yes I usually recommend Thomas Campbell just about everytime I get the opportunity ; ) I would recommend getting the book if you are willing to see life in general from a different viewpoint - sounds like it... It is quite an eyeopener on many levels.

Sounds interesting, I might give it a read sometime soon

Originally Posted by TJuulsgaard

Did I have any paranormal experiences since starting to meditate? - Yes and no - First off I must admit that I haven't been doing the kind of meditation I recommend for you for that long.
To be exact: for 2½ years ago I started getting into Out-of-body-experiences big time - read alot of books on the subject and tried every night to achieve just one - although very close I didn't succeed. That went on for a year, and every night I practised going deep into a trance, Body asleep/mind awake - and became quite good at it. It could be called meditation and share some of the same effects I believe, but all of the time I had one thing on my mind - going out of my body - and so it couldn't quite be called transcendental meditation. I also raised energy during my attempts both in general and trying to energise my chakras. During this year I started having more and more vivid dreams (didn't become lucid though) and could definately feel a difference in my being. I also started to listening to Hemisync-sound-files before going to sleep - also this is another kind of meditation - but still with a mission.

Personally, I didn't know about LDs and it was only after I found out about OBEs that I knew about them, but, they didn't interest me as much. However, I only tried a couple of times and stopped it due to fear of what could happen, etc.... hmm, sounds like you sound be a pro at WILDing. I've never been able to hit SP, since, I seem to keep myself awake and aware, instead of just aware Curious, did you find that your dream recall went away for a bit? The last 3 days that I meditated before bed, I wake up with a blank mind, not as much as a spec of a dream. It's only during the day that I recalled a little tidbit, unlike my first two days where I had a very vivid dream and a LD as well Maybe I'm not meditating long enough?

Originally Posted by TJuulsgaard

I started to experience other kind of conscious-levels, have you ever been in "3d blackness" (As Bruce Moen calls it) where you suddenly feel the black in front of your eyes becomes 3d? According to Bruce Moen and Thomas Campbell thats another conscious-level and it means that you have shifted your consciousness to another "dimension/plane/Non-physical-matter-reality".
I also experienced on many occasions that during Mind awake/body asleep I could see through my closed eyelids. Which have led me to really believe in the energy-body and chakras.

I might have experienced that before(3d blackness) where you experience some depth, but, not positive hmm, personally, never had the eyelid thing happen which is the reason I am skeptical about the whole chakra thing. It's quite possible since we are just talking about energy centres, so, it's not something off the chart, but, haven't had enough proof to truly believe in it other than reading people's experiences. It would be interesting to get that experience and some other ones to solidify my belief in them

Originally Posted by TJuulsgaard

During that year I strongly believed that OBE meant that your soul left your body - now I believe that it is a case of shifting conscious-levels, so it is not so much a dark/white-matter - it is quite complex and the dreamworld is influencing things as well.

Is anything ever dark/white in life? Ever since I started LDing, I've started to believe that a lot of things that I thought were myths(TK, telepathy, dream sharing, etc....) might infact exist and only so many people have actually experienced them due to it feeling like a waste of time pursuing them

Originally Posted by TJuulsgaard

Back to meditation ; ):

During the next year I started getting an interest for Lucid dreaming instead - after a month of RC'ing I became lucid and enjoyed that for a a month or so where I became lucid once a week or so. This wasn't enough for me so I aimed high and got into Tibetan dream yoga - which also involves meditation and awareness-training. I also practised WILD during night, with some succes -but after a short period I decided that meditation was the way ahead for me and that LD's and OBE's had to be a sideeffect. Since then I have experienced LD's regularly, although not as frequent as when I started out - and a couple of OBE's. The OBE's felt VERY natural and I wasn't scared at all - because I felt ready to have them.

hmm, LDing is a very interesting subject. I never had luck with RCs though, my only possible success was a semi-lucid where I realized that I'm dreaming but didn't become conscious enough to realize that I could do what I want. All of my other LDs have been better than that one, but, my first LD seems to be my best one, since, I recall being really conscious in it. Makes me wonder why these last couple of LDs I had weren't as conscious as that one, possibly REM cycle that I had them in? hmm, regularly as in once every two weeks or so, because, that a lot better than having one every month or two Would you say that your lucids are as vivid as RL or do they feel a bit grainy?

Originally Posted by TJuulsgaard

I mostly practise meditation before going to sleep - with my schedule and also becoming a father to kid no. 3 four months ago it is hard to get the time and quietness required to meditate properly. But I have practised meditation many forms since I started my quest 2½ years ago - 8 months ago I read "My Big Toe" and have been trying to do transcendental meditation ever since - but not as much as I would like and I still listen to Hemisync every other day - so I can't say that I have meet the requirements Mr. Campbell put up just yet.

Congrats on the new child, let's hope that he/she is a bundle of joy I was thinking about possibly raising mine up to 30min but possiblity twice a day depending on time/level of motivation which I would hope would speed things up a notch or two

Day 4:
Saturday July 17, 2010

Time: ~12min

I sat in the lotus position and started to meditate. I started concentrating on my breathing. I was able to clear my mind better than what of my previous days. I didn't get any sensations like the previous nights, but, it was somewhat relaxing until I had to stop and go to sleep.

Thoughts: Not bad, just need to increase time and focus
Lucidity achieved: Nothing yet and it seems that my dream recall has gone south lately

I'll start off with a short reply on your dream-recall - time is of the essence, you know... I also want to say thank you for taking your time - to read and react properly to my postings.

I can't really remember how my dream recall was at the time - it wasn't so important for me, when trying to OBE - later I found out that it is just as important as when dealing with LD's -
I read Robert Bruce's books - Astral Dynamics, Mastering Astral Projection and New Energy Ways - and in those he talks about how raising energy and improving/enlargening your energy body - makes you very tired in the beginning. Like when you start doing physical workout you get tired because you are using muscles you aren't used to.
Dream Recall have alot to do with how deeply you sleep - if you are very tired - you go deeper in your sleep and it is harder to remember your dreams - also to hang on to the thought of remembering your dream, when you wake up. What I'm saying is that if you just recently started meditation, then you have also just started improving your energy-body, so you might be a bit more tired than usual.(?) - and it could possibly take a hit on your recall. Also you might discover that having slept well and for 8 hours - doesn't equal having lots of energy - so theres more to it. When your energy-body is in a better state - you might feel that you get more extra energy - which can help you with your recall.

My Lucids have been everything from grainy to more vivid than life - and with different degrees of control - but lately I have been rather lazy with my dreamjournal - (family-situation ) and that clearly have an impact on how much I remember - yesterday I had a Lucid which I remember as very clear - but only remember that I thought "hey I'm dreaming" and then looking at my hands, but then I can't remember what happened or if I just slipped out of it... hell.. nice to know that I still get those lucids with minimal effort. I must say that I really haven't been doing any good meditation for the last 2 months so might need to take it up again to keep up the "flow".

On the subject of "Black/white" - Myths - thats exactly what I mean with "Yes and no" to been having paranormal experiences. The deeper you get with these things the more normal/natural it gets - you get the knowing of things not being quite as youu thought they were - and you are more prepared when they do happen. To have them you - because you have been doing meditation and rasing/improving your consciousness - you are already part of it - so its natural. Problem comes when youu try to speak to others not used to being in touch with the subject... Not a good idea to bring up the idea of going out of your body in a fancy restaurant with your wifes work-mates.

Originally Posted by TJuulsgaard

I'll start off with a short reply on your dream-recall - time is of the essence, you know... I also want to say thank you for taking your time - to read and react properly to my postings.

Of course, time is very precious. Thank you for posting in my thread, very interesting posts, wouldn't mind if you wanted to post more and comment on my progress whenever possible

Originally Posted by TJuulsgaard

I can't really remember how my dream recall was at the time - it wasn't so important for me, when trying to OBE - later I found out that it is just as important as when dealing with LD's -
I read Robert Bruce's books - Astral Dynamics, Mastering Astral Projection and New Energy Ways - and in those he talks about how raising energy and improving/enlargening your energy body - makes you very tired in the beginning. Like when you start doing physical workout you get tired because you are using muscles you aren't used to.
Dream Recall have alot to do with how deeply you sleep - if you are very tired - you go deeper in your sleep and it is harder to remember your dreams - also to hang on to the thought of remembering your dream, when you wake up. What I'm saying is that if you just recently started meditation, then you have also just started improving your energy-body, so you might be a bit more tired than usual.(?) - and it could possibly take a hit on your recall. Also you might discover that having slept well and for 8 hours - doesn't equal having lots of energy - so theres more to it. When your energy-body is in a better state - you might feel that you get more extra energy - which can help you with your recall.

Yes, I see your point. It's quite possible that is the reason why I am having problems with my recall, still wonder why I was able to get a LD and recalled a very long dream when I started, possibly not as deep or tired then It definitely would be interesting to feel the results of the meditation

Originally Posted by TJuulsgaard

My Lucids have been everything from grainy to more vivid than life - and with different degrees of control - but lately I have been rather lazy with my dreamjournal - (family-situation ) and that clearly have an impact on how much I remember - yesterday I had a Lucid which I remember as very clear - but only remember that I thought "hey I'm dreaming" and then looking at my hands, but then I can't remember what happened or if I just slipped out of it... hell.. nice to know that I still get those lucids with minimal effort. I must say that I really haven't been doing any good meditation for the last 2 months so might need to take it up again to keep up the "flow".

Lucky you I've had some grainy and some vivid ones, however, even when I have control, I don't seem to be as conscious as I would like IRL or at least I don't recall being that conscious, since, I usually don't stop to stabilize, increase clarity, etc.... which would help to extend them Well, I think it's ok not to DJ provided you have a good memory, however, I think you should try if you have the time to write down your LDs. Personally, I can remember some dreams from years ago but I found that with writing them down, I was remembering at least one a night, compared to one or two a month It does require effort and time to do so, but, if there are benefits and you have the time, why not? Well, you are pretty busy but if you can squeeze in that 10min or so before bed or even very early in the day, I'm sure it will have some benefits and will continue the "flow"

Originally Posted by TJuulsgaard

On the subject of "Black/white" - Myths - thats exactly what I mean with "Yes and no" to been having paranormal experiences. The deeper you get with these things the more normal/natural it gets - you get the knowing of things not being quite as youu thought they were - and you are more prepared when they do happen. To have them you - because you have been doing meditation and rasing/improving your consciousness - you are already part of it - so its natural. Problem comes when youu try to speak to others not used to being in touch with the subject... Not a good idea to bring up the idea of going out of your body in a fancy restaurant with your wifes work-mates.

I agree with you as well. It'll seem natural to me while pretty odd to someone who isn't experiencing it. My curiousity is at play here. It makes me wonder if I'll get to see something like Telekinesis, telepathy, etc.... happen infront of me, basically some strong evidence of their existance, because, that's what I'm really interested in. I don't talk much about what I do to anyone other than my family and they are fine with it, since, I'm not doing anything out of the ordinary so to speak

Day 5:
Sunday July 18, 2010

Time: ~14min

I sat in the lotus position and started to meditate. I started concentrating on my breathing. I was able to clear my mind pretty fast. I continued with my meditation until I could feel some numbness taking cover, kinda reminding me of what I experienced everytime I try to WILD. I did get some sensations all over my body, sometimes in my head, fingers, etc.... My eyes would also start to open slightly and I would have to close them. This happened a lot and was somewhat distracting since I would start seeing some light from outside my house. When I felt that I had enough, I called it a night.

Thoughts: I definitely think I'm improving, however, my recall is still in the dumps. Nothing this morning, however, I did get a glimpse of a dream scene, so, at least I have something My recall will probably start going up again once I am done a couple more days of meditation. For details, see the two posts above
Lucidity achieved: Nothing yet, my LD on day 1 was likely due to the strong belief that I will have one since meditation increases awareness and that's the main key for LDs. I'll likely see another one soon enough, probably in a couple of days once I get deeper in my meditation

Day 6:
Monday July 19, 2010

Time: ~7min

I sat in the lotus position and started to meditate. I cleared my mind and again felt the same sensations as before. I didn't have much time to meditate more, since, I had to wake up early the next day.

Thoughts: Must increase meditation time, will try to do so in the next couple of days
Lucidity achieved: Unfortunately not, since, I only got around 6hr of sleep.

Day 7:
Tuesday July 20, 2010

Time: Unknown

I sat in the lotus position and started to meditate. I cleared my mind and again felt the same sensations as before. Like the previous day, I had to wake up pretty early so I didn't have much time to meditate.

Thoughts: Must increase meditation time to speed up the results
Lucidity achieved: Not yet, but, hopeful I'll get one soon enough

I have a question.
What about the preparation for the sleep? It seems much like meditation to me.

For me usually takes like 30min or so to fall asleep. I need to lie down and nothing to disturb the body. My arms are besides the body but not touching it. Then i breath in and out until the breathing is very slow and quite. Around that time i already feel all my body energized and connected into a whole energy ellipse. Then the visions are starting.

Originally Posted by kenietz

I have a question.
What about the preparation for the sleep? It seems much like meditation to me.

For me usually takes like 30min or so to fall asleep. I need to lie down and nothing to disturb the body. My arms are besides the body but not touching it. Then i breath in and out until the breathing is very slow and quite. Around that time i already feel all my body energized and connected into a whole energy ellipse. Then the visions are starting.

It does sound like meditation and probably is. There is no one way to meditate, the only reason I sit up and meditate is because I feel like I'm accomplishing more and it helps me to focus unless when I try to meditate lying down. I think meditation energies the body which might explain why at one point, I wouldn't be able to fall asleep easily after doing it

Day 8:
Wednesday July 20, 2010

Time: ~5 min

I sat in the lotus position and started to meditate. I cleared my mind and got some cold stomach and other odd sensations, but, was too tired to stay in the state, so, I cut it short.

Thoughts: .....
Lucidity achieved: Not yet

Day 9:
Thursday July 21, 2010

Time: ~12 min

I sat in the lotus position and started to meditate. I cleared my mind but not completely since random thoughts were still coming in every once in a while. I got some sensations, but, not many. Like the previous night, I was too tired, so, I cut it short.

Thoughts: Increased time a bit, will try for 15min next time
Lucidity achieved: Not yet, but, I haven't been practicing LDing lately

Day 10:
Friday July 22, 2010

Time: Unknown

I sat in the lotus position and started to meditate. I cleared my mind again but not completely. I didn't meditate long enough though, since, I was tired.

Thoughts: Will be trying for 15min tonight
Lucidity achieved: Not yet.

Day 11:
Saturday July 23, 2010

Time: ~15min

I sat in the lotus position and started to meditate. I cleared my mind pretty fast but had those occasional thoughts and tried to concentrate on my breathing along with the blackness beneath my eyelids. I decided to breath deeply in my attempt and did so for the majority of the time eventually getting really tired and going back to small breaths. I did get some of the colors showing up in my vision(purple, green) and got some of the usual sensations.

Thoughts: Achieved the 15min mark I wanted and plan to try and maintain that for at least a week before moving up with it. The small breaths was interesting though, since, I usually find that I can't maintain those but not in this case
Lucidity achieved: Nothing yet, but, like the previous nights, I haven't been getting as much sleep as I would like along with the fact that I'm tired and not fully concentrating on LDs and you get my point

Hi,
i dunno if the meditation itself energizes the body. I think the meditation/stopping your normal way of thoughts/ just lets you feel your energy. I mean otherwise the body is preoccupied with thoughts and signals from all senses. I am aware of my energy and only the thought of it makes me feel the flow in the body. So when im in bed before sleep and close my eyes i slow down the breathing and trying to relax all the muscles starting from the feet and to the head. Then the feeling of my energy is just a bit more acute. Then i stop the normal way of the thoughts with concentrating on a colorful spot in my inner vision. If that is not enough i repeat a couple of times "no more thoughts" and then it stops. But sometimes is difficult to hold the state when too many problems on the head When the regular thought stops its just color which can change into a face or smth else. Its nice when i concentrate on a part of that vision it explodes into something else usually places like cities. But sometimes i have long sequence of changing faces human and not human alike. Once i had a sequence of old dreams, that was nice It was like digging in a forgotten hard disk.

i dunno if the meditation itself energizes the body. I think the meditation/stopping your normal way of thoughts/ just lets you feel your energy. I mean otherwise the body is preoccupied with thoughts and signals from all senses. I am aware of my energy and only the thought of it makes me feel the flow in the body. So when im in bed before sleep and close my eyes i slow down the breathing and trying to relax all the muscles starting from the feet and to the head. Then the feeling of my energy is just a bit more acute. Then i stop the normal way of the thoughts with concentrating on a colorful spot in my inner vision. If that is not enough i repeat a couple of times "no more thoughts" and then it stops. But sometimes is difficult to hold the state when too many problems on the head When the regular thought stops its just color which can change into a face or smth else. Its nice when i concentrate on a part of that vision it explodes into something else usually places like cities. But sometimes i have long sequence of changing faces human and not human alike. Once i had a sequence of old dreams, that was nice It was like digging in a forgotten hard disk.

Originally Posted by kenietz

i dunno if the meditation itself energizes the body. I think the meditation/stopping your normal way of thoughts/ just lets you feel your energy. I mean otherwise the body is preoccupied with thoughts and signals from all senses. I am aware of my energy and only the thought of it makes me feel the flow in the body. So when im in bed before sleep and close my eyes i slow down the breathing and trying to relax all the muscles starting from the feet and to the head. Then the feeling of my energy is just a bit more acute. Then i stop the normal way of the thoughts with concentrating on a colorful spot in my inner vision. If that is not enough i repeat a couple of times "no more thoughts" and then it stops. But sometimes is difficult to hold the state when too many problems on the head When the regular thought stops its just color which can change into a face or smth else. Its nice when i concentrate on a part of that vision it explodes into something else usually places like cities. But sometimes i have long sequence of changing faces human and not human alike. Once i had a sequence of old dreams, that was nice It was like digging in a forgotten hard disk.

Well, I meant that it makes it harder to get to sleep because you feel just full of energy. I try to avoid focusing on anything because that isn't transcendal(sp?) meditation although I might start to focus on LDs during it. I haven't had much experience in seeing faces, cities, etc.... it's only the last 2-3 days or so that I've been getting deeper(longer times) and there is much more to learn and experience.