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I believe I am able to do this. Not sure exactly how, but it is metally exahusting. The subject has to e willing and able to experience lucid dreams. Found this out through exprience. This isn't limited to humans. I know I sound crazy but it's real... I've shared way too many times, and it's taxing. It feels like when I sleep, I wake some where else and live my life. Meaning... I haven't slept. I've 'woken' up exhausted becUse I didn't rest. If sone one is seriously interested in this, if they Are researching shared dreAms, I am more than happy to answer questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skarr
Only if ur serious. I would like to know how to control it. I want to actually sleep.
Hm, read through the thread and see some problems, (From here on, I'm talking as someone who has tried, experimented with it and believes it is real) you don't really need to know the other person to SD with them, not even be familiar with their dreams or have their permission, heck even being open to the possibility is not needed! My first SD was with my brother back when I didn't believe in this kind of stuff, next time it was a three-way SD with mom and brother, next one with sister and so on. The strangest one would be the one with mom, since she never watches the stuff we do and is interested in other stuff, plus the dream was extremely similar, 90%+ similarity.
After that, I started experimenting, got to do it with 3 people who didn't believe in it, only worked with 2 as one continued telling me the dream before I was to post it, which ruined the data (-.-), of course none of them had a DJ. SO yeah, I think all of the "needs" often talked around DV are nothing more than ways to make it easier or something.
Oh and last, I'm not close to the possibility of SDing being false and all my experiences being coincidences/comfirmation bias, but at this point see that chance lower than it being real.
Hukif, do you think physical proximity is at all needed? Could you share a dream with someone who is miles away?
I don't know, it seems easier the closer the person is so there is that. The farthest I have done it is USA apparently, currently trying with someone on England, he should be important data. I do plan to make a more serious experiment once I have enough data and money gathered though.
Perhaps the reason it's easier to 'share' a dream with someone who lives close to you is because you interact with them on a daily basis. That way your subconsciouses are given the chance to interact much more. I believe that could be part of the reason why your dreams occasionally seem the same.
The ones with family are pretty much equal though, from the 10% missing around 8% is because of recall problems family members have, the only difference would be the view-point really. Then again since they were years ago, I might be into comfirmation bias <.<
A lot of people seem to think that shared dreaming is impossible. But is it really that hard to believe, that the human brain isn't capable of accomplishing this?
Yes, it's hard to believe that the human brain is capable of projecting your consciousness into someone else's mind from within a dream. Dreams take place within one's mind; they don't occur on some type of commonly shared "dream plane".
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Originally Posted by PurpleDonk
But I'm open to stuff. I wanna see where this thread goes.
Does anyone have results from this experiment? We started back in January, but I haven't recalled many dreams since then, and the ones I could recall haven't been written down. Was anyone else able to test in their pairings? We had a pretty good experiment going - let's see if we have some results.
I got one shared dream, although not with anyone here
With whom was it? Did you arrange to dreamshare beforehand? How much was similar? *interested*Quote:
Originally Posted by AustralianFire
It was with my girlfirend, we did organise an experiment, it almost failed untill the last day when i got a lucid and found her, It is in my DJQuote:
Originally Posted by GMoney
Hello everybody. I am really interested in shared dreams. However, I am not good enough in LD, so I cannot try to share my dreams yet.
Has anybody succeeded in the password exchange experiment, which MindGames posted here?
I wonder to read that the time is irrelevant. If people could share their dreams and each had the dream at a different time (or even a different night), it would lead to time paradox IMO.
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Originally Posted by madvorak
http://www.dreamviews.com/f19/intern...8/index55.html
the url says it all.
Moved to beyond dreaming
I think dream sharing works, but not in the way people might think. I've had *similar* dreams to other people, mostly those of whom I were close to... but I'd put the similarity at 30%-40%. These were all with people who thought similar to me. The similarities were mainly about a shared core subject matter, but the content could be pretty different.
What I think has happened was not some telepathic link, but rather a shared set of experiences among similar people leading to similar thoughts... In other words, a coincidence driven by circumstance. The weirdest thing is that so many times I've felt like I really shared a dream with someone, but time after time it seems like it just wasn't the case.
I know everyone wants a paranormal explanation, but its entirely possible that such coincidences will happen if you think alike and spend so much of the day together. The same things will stick out and influence you, leading them to linger in your mind... and then show up in the dreams.. Some times, you don't even really notice them.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm actually pretty open minded. I had some very strong precognitive experiences when I was a kid... things I have not found a possible logical/reasonable explanation for... so I have not ruled out any of this mental link stuff. Its just that I can see how sharing a dream might happen through very normal and obvious means. In other words, I would be that its very possible to prepare yourself to dream something similar to another person. It looks like I've done it while not even trying.
I think that dream sharing is either some form of telepathy or psi, or people are using dreams to project to an astral plane to meet up there. I guess you could say I'm skeptically optimistic about it. I used to think that people needed to be in the same time zone for it to work, but recently I was in a study (the results are going to be posted at the IASD online conference this week so I can't post them here as I don't have the rights to the research) where we had some sucess in spite of being in different time zones. So now I have to rethink a lot about how I believe the whole thing works. It's definitely worth more research!
Its an interesting topic for sure... I'd have to experience it and verify it personally before I'd ever believe it though. I don't quite understand how you'd make the connection between people though... It really perplexes me how people on the internet, who never met each other, could participate in this. What would possibly link two people together who have never even met. Dreams don't use IP addresses.
I've yet to hear anyone even try to explain how this would possibly work..
Post a link to the results of the study when it is released. I hope they will be public. I can't wait to read it :).Quote:
Originally Posted by Naiya
You were in different time zone you say. Did you note the time of shared dreams down and compare them? Were the times of both dreamers same after calculating the time zone?
I understand if you refuse to answer, you may keep the results secret until the conference.
Unfortunately, the study isn't going to be public-- it's being presented at the IASD online conference -- "The Role of Lucid Dreaming in a Group Dreaming Experiment."Quote:
Originally Posted by madvorak
It's going on right now, but you have to pay something like $50-60 to get into the conference. I wasn't planning on being involved in the conference this year, but since I was part of this study, they graciously gave me and the other participants a free pass. If I remember right it's supposed to be published elsewhere and I was supposed to get a copy, so when I find out I'll definitely post the info here so anyone who wants the read the full paper will be able to. :)
Thankfully, if anyone is trying to explain how it works without knowing/proving whether its real or not should be taken with LOTS of precaution. You know how the process goes, first study the thing, if the hyphotesis is true construct ways to explain why its true, not before.Quote:
Originally Posted by AgentSmith
I think the beauty of dream sharing (if it is indeed real) is the fact that we dont know how it happens. Maybe its just me, but i find mystery strangely beautiful in itselfQuote:
Originally Posted by Hukif
Hi guys, i would like to add my comment and to this SD thread. To me SD seems 'real'. But there exists only one problem: Which one of us could ever manage to define 'real'? Cos only then we could have a discussion about the 'realness' of SD. According to some sources we all have our own 'reality' tunnels where everything seems 'real' to us. There seem to exist and common tunnels depending on the society in which we live in. All that creates quite a big mess. In my opinion we experience lots and lots of SD but we cant prove it cos in dreams sometimes we meet people sometimes we meet entities and sometimes forces of whatever kind. Also people tend not to share some of their dreams cos of shame for example. Also cos of different distance and location of the dreamers it seems almost impossible to find out if we had SD. But according to Nomad and others time and space do not matter in SD. I also think so.
Finally, in my opinion we just have to enjoy what we have and try to get as much experience as we can instead of wondering about the 'realness' of SD.