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If you mean talking to someone else about a dream you had and sharing the details, then yes.
If you mean actually being in the same dream as someone else, then no.
I believe sharing dreams is possibe, though some believe that it's impossible.
I take a skeptical stance on this...there are some good recorded cases, but I'm still not entirely convinced. Guess I'm just going to have to try and see for myself. ^_^
I think it's narrow-minded to insist that this type of thing never occurs (being in someone else's dream). A good place to study would be twins I'd imagine.
As far as sharing strong similarities in dreams happening within a short time of each other, I believe that is far more common.
I imagine it's never like the movie Dreamscape, but two people working in tandem could have some results of unity to their dreams. Why not? I hope more advanced dreamworkers here have some personal examples....
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Izabael
It is very unlikely.Quote:
Originally Posted by LostKiddo
Just as all the other paranormal stuff that has never been proven ;)
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Originally Posted by izabael
Must not bring debate into thread. Must not post video...
I shall just say this: demanding evidence is not being close-minded. I just happen to be seeing a lack of very SOLID evidence, I guess. Thus far, all of the first-hand experiments seem to involve communication between the parties, which *may* be able to corrupt the results. What needs to happen is that there needs to be experiments run under laboratory settings with contact between the two parties that shall attempt to share dreams limited, monitored, and heavily regulated. If results can be produced relatively consistently between multiple parties of subjects, then shared dreaming would definitely hold water. As is, though, I'm just...skeptical. I'm not saying it doesn't happen or that it is impossible, I'm just...skeptical.
I don't know how people would know that they were sharing a dream with someone, and that that someone wasn't just a DC. Not only that, but you would have to both be asleep and lucid at the same time... seems improbable, just with that criteria. I can't say it doesn't exist, but I'm not going to believe in it unless I experience it.
Obviously, oh so obviously i mean number 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Levels
but hey, thanks.
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Originally Posted by Pepperoni Pizza
well i guess I was about to find out of i was dealing with a dc or not. ofcourse in order to find out the other guy had to remember AND be lucid and all but anyways i tried t
esting for a DC/ real person in this dream i had.
You can read about it in this section, the post is called "Scariest experience ever"
Fact is i won't really believe it either except for if I ever experience it or see real evidence.
Yeah, again unproven. On the other hand I believe in the possibility of... well, anything. I knew a pagan lady who had huge respect in the pagan community (she was like the highest rank.) She told me shes had many shared dreaming experiences and shes not one to lie, trust me. So WHO KNOWS!!! I personally cannot fully believe it until I experience it for myself!
Look, scientifically, no it's just not possible. I don't mean to be close minded but I would align this with paranormal activity. Then again, if you believe in that I just don't know what to tell you. If saw some strong proven research on the contrary I could be swayed but it would have to be real research and be big news. I assure you if stuff like that was possible it would be highly publicized.
Its possible if you believe it is. Best to figure it out for yourself, try to leave the doubts aside until you really give it an honest try. A few people here are involved with shared dreaming, check it out here: http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=84188. I haven't been lucid in a while but for my next good one I'm gonna try to join them.Quote:
Originally Posted by LostKiddo
Its just simple combination of coincidence and placebo effect. People want to dream about someone, so they do. Then when they talk about it, there brain tricks them into matching things together. People simply believe what they want to believe. Labs conduct scientific studies for this exact reason.
Again, if this was real it would be recognized. And I don't mean a side note in a medical journal either, I mean full blown media storm. Labs would be diving to publish results. The implications would be huge!
If you don't believe in tarrot cards, ESP, or magic I wouldn't give this any more credibility.
If it is possible, this is the first time in human history we will be able to prove it. Let's start by assuming dream time is linear and corresponds to waking time. In order to prove that shared dreaming is possible, 2 or more dreamers have to be lucid together and recall a specific set of instructions to confirm their encounter in real life. Email would be the most logical choice as a means of confirmation as it is simple to remember and has global reach. I predict the first break through will come between 2 people in different parts of the world that confirm their encounter through an email message from one to the other the next day. While it will only be proven to those involved, the accomplishment should be enough to initiate a serious set of experiments from experts in the field. If I ever get one of these emails from someone out there, Dr. LaBerge is going to have to add me to his pay roll.
There is no good way of measuring the phenomenon objectively, and on topQuote:
Originally Posted by SystemsLock
of that it is difficult for two people to coordinate dreams in a way that would
allow them to share during the same time. Furthermore, dream sharing would
have to rely on a means of communication between brains that isn't
currently recognized in current scientific understanding, ergo the dream
sharing effect isn't given much attention.
Is it possible? Maybe. That's the best answer I can give.
My own experiences with dream sharing attempts have been curious. No
successes, but not entire failures, either. Try it yourself. Also, run a search
for other discussion on the site. It's been discussed far and wide.
One of the peaks of human arrogance is claiming to know things you simply have no way of knowing.
One thing that is for sure is that science can't answer everything at its current stage. So when we say something is likely or unlikely according to science, it really is only according to science. It's progressive.
To say that something is 100% impossible is not truth when the truth is that you don't know it is impossible, even if according to your current understanding it would be unlikely. It's not a bad way to think, it stops us from seeing into things where there is nothing to see into, but may also cause us to miss things too.
The thing about it too is that many scientists don't want to touch upon investigating this stuff for fear of ridicule and of losing their credibility.
That was strong :D Thanks !
to believe in such a thing would require belief in some other form of science which is completely illogical in my eyes. Therefore if you ask me, dont get too attached to the idea.
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Originally Posted by Amoeba
Look, a new video. :D Look, science is centered around skepticism. It looks at objectively measuring and testing variables to improve human knowledge. Of course, if you want to take the stance that it is completely impossible to say that something is 100% impossible (a contradiction, I may add), then I can claim that there is a flying spaghetti monster or swimming brownie-muffin creature, and you cannot disprove me. What you can do, however, is gather enough evidence (or lack thereof) and reduce the odds of my being right to virtually nothing. If science doesn't recognize something, there is usually a good reason for it...namely, a lack of evidence or the incapability of replicating experimental results under laboratory conditions.
If anyone here thinks they could prove shared dreaming is real, I beg of you, head on down to the nearest laboratory and set up an experiment.
Just an endnote: science is not claiming that shared dreaming is impossible or does not happen, but as of yet, there is insufficient evidence to draw any conclusions on its existence. That is all.
Ooh i'm gonna watch that one when I finish studying.
btw got my filosophy exam next week and i'm seeing tons of interesting stuff that actually makes it easy for me to enjoy this course, since i link a lot of things to dreaming and the dreamworld ! :D Hooray
I've been experimenting with shared dreaming and have had a few interesting occurrences, one of them being a character in a dream that the other person was able to describe perfectly.
Although, I find that if shared dreaming is possible, its not very reliable.
How do you not understand this?! Its really naive to assume that something as POWERFUL as shared dreaming would go COMPLETELY unnoticed by the scientific community!
I'm not going to say shared dreaming is impossible becuase I don't want to get into the whole "nothing is impossible" debate. I'm just saying that the experiments conducted thus far are so far from scientific that any belief now is quite simply leap of faith. There is nothing wrong with a leaps of faith, just don't pretend its been proven, unless is has.
I agree with Mario92, if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out!
Because something hasn't been proven doesn't mean its been disproven. Remember when the world was flat? :P
"Fifteen hundred years ago everybody knew the Earth was the center of the universe. Five hundred years ago, everybody knew the Earth was flat, and fifteen minutes ago, you knew that humans were alone on this planet. Imagine what you'll know tomorrow..."
I believe I've already addressed that concern above.Quote:
Originally Posted by SystemsLock
Science currently invests more resources in researching viagra that in cancer. Sad but true. And one question, shared dreams make money? Hmmm I think not. Look, I don't know who's here the naive, but I prefer to believe in my own experience that a man with a coat, call me naive if you want, but I'll be a naive who likes think by himselfQuote:
Originally Posted by SystemsLock
Catalyst:
we can share an experience yet still read it differently so sharing an existance on this planet with knowledge of the infinite power in the lucid mind, when one can see this for a removed standpoint of created definition as a sd.
Probably not. :laugh: BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
...because, you know, infiltrating the minds of people, say terrorists, would have no benefits at all...I don't know how shared dreaming would work, but I can see some serious applications.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarsso
So true, fuck, you could induce someone's nightmare. that's like, a threath worse than physical threaths
...yeah, or you could calmly ask them where the next target is.
If there is one; then likely multiple agencies are working on such a tactic right now and have been for awhile.
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Originally Posted by Mario92
Check out the book Psychic Warrior by David Morehouse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mario92
I have had many experiences throughout the last, say 15 years, that have led me to believe shared dreaming is real. First I did it with my boyfriend and we would clearly recall the same events from two different perspectives in a dream. e.g. mine would say I used TK to lift a car off of a child, and his would say he saw Raven use TK to lift a car off of a child. I'd thought the phenomena was unique to the two of us until late last year when I logged on to Dreamviews. Since then I have had convincing shared dreams with Nomad, MoSh, and WarriorTiger with strong evidence of shared dreams with Mowglycdb, and Loaf. So I, for one, am convinced it is definitely real. :)
Hooray, can't wait to get better at LD and try sharing, but i'm far from that...Quote:
Originally Posted by Raven Knight
Am I welcomed into this team? Personally I find the concept very interesting, and am prepared to put a great deal of honest work into whatever end.
On second though my thread in the beyond dreaming forum this would be a way to go.
What?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mario92
I don't know how shared dreams works, I've never had one, I said I prefer think by myself and believe by my own experiencie, I mean, I can't called Raven Knight a liar just because he says he's had SD's, and I don't want to believe the words of a scientific who has never researched this matter.
Who's calling Raven a liar? I'm just saying that I'm skeptical, not that it doesn't happen. All I'd like to see is some laboratory experiments with the least possible variables. If shared dreaming can be done relatively consistently, then it is most likely real. Until such evidence comes to light, however, I'm calling it "inconclusive." Of course, I plan to carry out my own tests and experiments in an effort to prove to myself that shared dreaming is possible, as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarsso
She has had SDs. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Tarsso
Booyah ! these guys made a team and didn't tell me about it ? :PQuote:
Originally Posted by I U
lol for real tho ? there's no team that i know of, except the whole Planet Pandora thing, but i don't think they'll let me or you in yet :S
of course, i'd happy to put whatever work necessary into it, thing is, i'm just starting to get the hang of it and for now, all i have is a (apparently) very good dream recall.
Oops:oops: xDQuote:
Originally Posted by Loaf
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Originally Posted by I U
Get on the Moon Bus!!! :boogie:Quote:
Originally Posted by LostKiddo
Can ya get me a ticket ? :D
you should look up lucid dream crossroads its a dojo where martial artist train at or where you can share dream with people just look it up it pretty cool
ait's possible, but hard to induce. And even oif you do it, causing a nightmare would have next to zero affect, because there would be enough change of sceene to create a lucid dream for the other person.
I have no opinion but all I can say is that I REALLY hope it is real.
This thread is ultimately pointless, as many will say it exists and many will say it does not. The only way you can discover truths about your existence is to experience its various planes for yourself and come to your own conclusions.
As for myself, I don't believe the phenomenon possible, but then again, we all exist in a shared dream of sorts.
To my knowledge(I'm not going into it)people can go into other peoples dreams but they won't remember unless they know it's coming/Lucid.
I believe it, and there are some people who are unusually intelligent in my dreams
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Originally Posted by LostKiddo
Project Pandora? We are welcoming anybody. It is a constant attempt to meet, that doesn't totally take over our dreams, as we all love going to the said meeting destination. I have thought of the most epic shared dreaming task for when we are all advanced, and I invite you to come out and join us. We have advanced LDers and some who have never had a lucid.
Go to User CP > Group Memberships > Join Deep Dreaming
You need to be there before you can enter Project Pandora. :boogie:
I hope its possible, I'd like to think that when you die, you are in one huge shared ld with everyone who has ever existed ....forever.
That's the goal of Tibetan Buddhism, from what I gather. You choose not to reincarnate.Quote:
Originally Posted by lost1
I would choose that over reincarnation any day.
I think, the key to a happy long life, is having those LDs that seem to last for years.
it's the reason I try to develop my lding skills... so that if that ends up being the case, then atleast I'm prepared
It's more of an opinion based answer i wouldn't say it's imposible but i'm skeptical.Quote:
Originally Posted by LostKiddo
Do you have any evidence to back that up? I thought not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Levels
Shared dreaming is a personal thing, and you can only truly 'believe' in it until you experience it. Until then its a hope. You can never truly know its not possible either.
Um, just a note on logical reasoning and rational thought: you don't need evidence to make a negative claim; rather, you need evidence to make a positive one. So, in the statement, "Does shared dreaming exist?", "no" is the negative statement, and "yes" is the positive. The person claiming "no" does not need evidence to back up his position, but the person claiming "yes" does. Even though it may be irrational to believe the negative statement in some cases, the person making that claim still does not require evidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraftwerk
You can claim that the planet Earth exists, which is making a positive claim. You have mountains of evidence at your disposal (literally). However, someone could still say that there is not enough evidence to make the conclusion that earth exists, even if it does go against rational thought. The person making the negative claim does not need evidence, just a solid refutation of evidence.
Does the flying spaghetti monster exist? How are you going to provide evidence that it cannot exist? All you can do is refute whatever flimsy arguments the other side has cobbled together.
Fair enough. All I'm saying is that 1. Absense of Evidence is not Evidence of Absense. 2. You can't 'believe' in shared dreaming until you have experience with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mario92
Granted, and it is silly to speak in absolutes, but to assume something to be true without substantial evidence is...rather foolish. I'm all for people conducting their own experiments to prove to themselves whether or not something is real (if you have results, please, aid the scientific community by volunteering at the nearest laboratory).Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraftwerk
I have not assumed shared dreaming is true. My personal stance on it: It may or may not exist, but since my personal experience with supernatural phenomonon tells me these things may be plausible, I have some degree of confidence something like shared dreaming exists. I have an idea to test this with a friend, but I need to get lucid more often.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mario92
We are only saying that give an opinion without experience is NOT sufficient to be conclusive.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Mario92
Now refute it:P
All I was saying is that when Kraftwerk demanded evidence that shared dreaming does NOT exist, he made a logical fallacy, as evidence must be submitted that shared dreaming DOES exist, not the other way around. Personally, I'm unconvinced either way, and plan to conduct my own experminents in this area.
yeah, me tooQuote:
Originally Posted by Mario92
I will conduct experiments myself. I really hope it's true.
Why doesn't wakingnomad and somebody else go to a lab? :P
I don't think there is or there will be such a lab for some long time, because in the 'modern' world we live in most people don't even remember or care about their dreams. Besides there will always be found something more important to be tested than dreaming. But that is what I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by jarrhead
Anyway, if shared dreams are possible, sooner or later people will find out :P
Especially not in Hawaii.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLight
Sharing dreams has not been convincingly proven possible, and according to what we know about science, it shouldn't be possible.
So you can try it, but don't get your hopes up, and be realistic about it.
Write a letter to Laberge. You know how you write him stories and questions.. write him an experiment idea, give examples of people who are good at control and have had many SDs. I don't pay attention to Nomad and Raven and Loaf and whoever else, but from what I know Nomad and Raven have had a few. Laberge will study dreams! :D
I'm kind of guessing he gets a lot of people doing this.Quote:
Originally Posted by jarrhead
I believe it's called Noetic Science...labs exist. Getting to the labs is another thing entirely. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLight
I'm kind of guessing he reads some of them, too, if not all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loaf
The correct term is Mutual Dreaming or Mutual Lucid Dreaming
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Originally Posted by jarrhead
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Originally Posted by TheLight
"Go to a lab! Go to a lab!" Yes, I want my mind to be dissected by scientists. I feel no burden to prove shared dreaming is real, because I got shit to do. Like make money. You guys sound like people that tell me I must play piano because I have long fingers. I'd rather play didjeridoo.Quote:
Originally Posted by jarrhead
Anyway, I did try to contact Laberge, and got no response. I did however contact Frank Pascoe, one of the few scientists that is studying dreams, and shared dreaming. I received an email from him on the 7th of this month. I sent one back, and haven't heard from him since. Here's an excerpt from it, with his permission:
"If you haven't followed the link to my page for more info on me here it is: http://www.mysticalcompany.com/pascoeF.php. But I think you have since you mentioned my 'metaphysical' bent which is true!
Hey by the way, I've met LaBerge and have also tried to collaborate with him. He is a little eccentric and hard to get-to-know. I still would like to collaborate with him since I know some of his research interests coincide with mine but he seems to drag his feet everytime I try to talk with him. It can take months for him to get back to you. I haven't pushed it much since I'm trying to finish my school first anyway. One of his close associates has shared with me that that is just how he is, it isn't personal. People that work with him are often frustrated by this. I suspect that that's why, in part, he isn't at Stanford anymore. I hope to open my own dream lab (with or without him) and continue in the vein of his reseach by next year if not sooner. There's nobody doing that in the US anymore. The closest active dream lab, that I know of, is in Montreal now. Other sleep labs in the US occasionally do dream research but they aren't dedicated to it and their research tends to have a medical lean to it. They just ask different types of questions. There may not be anybody doing 'hard science' (meaning laboratory work) around lucid dreaming in the world right now... not that science is the 'end-all' but it is kind of fun when it comes to lucid dreaming experiments.
Feel free to share my emails with your friends... I would like to be in your community, if it works for you.
I will share more very soon... but have to go do some chores.
Hope this day finds you well, we are each other's Dreams,
Frank
"
So, who's going to fly me out to Montreal, and pay for my room and board to go to the dream lab? Right. None of you. That's what I thought. Now, stop suggesting we go to lab. Just stop.
People want us to prove what they want to believe. You want to know if it's fun to jump out of an airplane? You just gotta do it. I am not going to try to convince you that bodysurfing makes you feel like a merperson. I am not going to to try to convince you sex feels good. I can't prove any of this, nor do I care to. Yeah, shared dreaming takes practice, effort, and skill, but I believe anyone can do it. So just try it! Are we special? Yes. We all are special. Every one in the world. Especially you, or you wouldn't be reading this right now. :D
Personally, while remaining undecided (but skeptical) on the issue myself, I don't see what good a lab could do. The main benefit you'd get from a lab is an unbiased observer to correlate data... but the data can never be more than what the involved people tell you they dreamed about.
Things I guess you could check at a lab...
Did the dreams occur at the same time?
Did eye movements match up with reported actions?
Did metabolic rates match reported actions?
.. and honestly that's about all I can think of that a lab would be good for. Of course, I've given it all of 2 minutes' worth of dedicated thought... :?
But essentially, to determine if dream sharing is actually a reality, it would require the involved dreamers to very honestly compare notes, and nobody but them would be able to objectively determine anything... nobody else has any way to know if what they're reporting is completely true or accurate.
I Once had an experience where a friend and I both dreamed on the same night that we killed Death. Neither of us was lucid, nor did we even know that lucidity can be induced, though in the past we've both had random lucid dreams. We did not plan to dream anything that night... and we hadn't spoken about Death or anything... as far as I;m aware there was absolutely no reason we both had death on the mind. But if I had access to everything we experienced the day before, chances are there was something we both saw that sparked it.
And when we talked about the dreams, they were totally different. The only similarity was that we both had a personified character representing Death and one of us killed it. That in itself is pretty amazing, and we freaked on it... but we perceived death completely differently and had totally different types of dreams.
Mine was a comical dream... I saw Death as some tiny thing in a baby carriage being pushed around by a woman. He had a big rattle (the Death Rattle cleverly enough) and if it touched you you were dead. I never saw its face or any of its body, but it threw the rattle at me and I grabbed something... a piece of cloth or something, that I used to whip the rattle around in a circle and hurl it back at him. When it struck little baby Death, he died.
My friend's dream on the other hand was a swashbuckling adventure dream. The two of us were swordfighting with a cloaked and hooded reaper in a stone tower.
Interestingly though.... you have to make certain allowances when talking about dreams. Since they're completely subjective and each of us has our own dream symbolism, a character (like Death) might appear differently to each of us. Does that mean it wasn't a shared experience? I don't think so. The fact remained, we did both dream about killing death, though it was achieved differently in both dreams.
So I guess what I:m saying is, even if you can share dreams, I don't believe any objective data can be collected to prove it... in the end all you have is people telling you they shared a dream and they they're totally convinced. I don't believe any further evidence can be obtained.
It's been a few minutes since posting that and a few more thoughts occur...
What constitutes a "shared experience" in waking life? Two or more people being in the same place at the same time. But do they really experience events the same way? I've heard people tell stories about things that happened while I was there, and their stories differ sometimes substantially form the way I remember things. So even in "real life" there's some discrepancy in shared experiences. And since dreams are colored so strongly by emotional and other considerations (ie is it an adventure dream or a comedy... ) you can actually have a widely diverse array of experiences that constitute the same idea.
Think about it... in dreams you might see your friend, only he doesn't look exactly like he does in waking life. In fact he might look a LOT different!! Houses, situation etc all can be wildly different than they are in waking existence. And yet you're still dreaming about the friend, that house, or that situation. So I think a wide margin needs to be allowable to evaluate shared dreaming.
In one sense, if you both dream about the same thing, that in itself constitutes a "shared dream". But of course that's not quite what we're talking about... we're discussing actually visiting somebody IN THEIR DREAM. So it begs the question... would you be seeing the same things the same way? Or each in your own way?
Ok... Im wearing my brain out. Gotta quit here! :P
That was the point I was trying to make. :|Quote:
Originally Posted by Mario92
So, "scientifically", is it possible to violate the Principle of Locality?Quote:
Originally Posted by SystemsLock
If it is (as quantum physics seems to show experimentally) then where lies the impenetrable barrier between two dreaming minds?
If it is not, how does science explain quantum entanglement?
Not saying shared dreaming is possible. In fact, I am skeptical because it seems like it would be pretty easy to prove if it was. But I don't think you have to get too far out from science that is accepted by a majority of physicists to arrive at a theory for how shared dreaming "might" be possible.
"Just not possible" is a mighty strong statement in a world FULL of mystery.
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Well.... as far as I see it. the possibility of having a same dream as someone is possible... well because it's possible... no divination or god involved... I mean.... magic? But other then that it's unlikely. But my point is.... it is super rare... you won't get it by truing to induce it... nor will it pop up very often. if any in your life time.
Many would argue the skull.Quote:
Originally Posted by Acala
Unlikely? People here induce shared dreams all the time, or at least claim to. People who have never shared a dream before in their lives learn the technique...Mzzkc had his first not long ago, as I recall.Quote:
Originally Posted by Squaddle
Well, during dreams I saw somewhere that the whole brain becomes active. I like to wonder if something activates that allows us to connect with others, maybe psychically, that travels through an electro magnetic field. As if something in the brain activates, during lucid dreams when we are in that strange sort of consciousness. But thats just a theory.
Could be...too early to draw conclusions, as I have stated. But yes, I plan to conduct my own experiments in the field as soon as I become a bit more proficient in lucid dreaming...(be more aware, damn you!)
I lost my touch on the subject.... ummm.. well it's possible.......... what else....... well okay.. that's cool .. but really? Like 3 people.. same dream... same interaction... same sleep time.. same connectivity and real time?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mario92
That'd be awesome... it's like a dream internet lol... course doubt exists in me so it's partly my fault... since I cant imagine being connect to someone wirelessly.... or at least the human mind doesn't work the same way as the internet... or it does?
The idea of typing is that you have time to think about what to say, so you don't need to insert words like "ummm" and long pauses denoted by periods. It would make it much easier for me to understand what you were saying if you were clear with your thoughts - that is, if they're rational enough to be expressed clearly in the first place. Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Squaddle
I..... THINK that was supposed to be.... like..... performance art...... :wink:
But to my point.... even Sagan said the jury is still out on the possibility of some level of telepathic connection, however slim the chances might seem. He seemed quite skeptical (of course, being Sagan), but he never did shut the door on the possibility.
And if Sagan says it, it MUST be true, right? :nodyes: (thanks Noogah, for the new smiley! :D)
Oh.... Carl Jung also seemed quite favorable on the idea, what with synchronicity (NOT the Police album!!) and the Collective Unconscious.
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Originally Posted by DarkLucideity
Okay, it was actually nice, since I didn't notice it, surprisingly.
Nor do I see anyone else typing that way, or at least engage it with the mindset.
<3 Carl Sagan. :3Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkmatters
That was a good album...I like Message in a Bottle, myself.Quote:
Oh.... Carl Jung also seemed quite favorable on the idea, what with synchronicity (NOT the Police album!!) and the Collective Unconscious.
Ha ha yes it was!!! Great album... I like both Synchrinicity songs, and wow, it's been so long Im actually forgetting the names of some of them!! Oh yeah... King of Pain! Is that the album with Secret Journey? Awesome song!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mario92
Anyhow, yeah, the Carls rule!! Sagan, Jung, and Castaneda (well... CarlOS that is!) :bowdown: (bow down before the great and mighty Carls cretins!) (... and yes I include myself as a cretin!)
i have a solution. like the tests stephen laberge describes in EWOLD, eye movement tests could possible prove the existence of shared dreaming. Have two people LDing in the room together. When they see each other, they can do an eye movement pattern simultaneously. Since real eyes move in the direction of dream eyes, if the two people are doing the same eye movements at the same time, then the existence of shared dreaming is proven.
you, sir, are a genius.
Why not try a little experiment whenever you get lucid.
Visit this site http://www.lucidcrossroads.co.uk/ And view all the images/material, remember it.
According to the creators of the site, when many dreamers imagine and experience the same place (lucid crossroads), shared dreams would be possible. I actually am sceptical but willing to try it out for a bit of fun..
Anyone up for it?
Whenever you get lucid, go to the crossroads and let us know what happened.
Even if it doesnt work the place they have created looks pretty cool to be lucid in! :)
...alternately, have two random people claiming to be proficient at shared dreaming set up a meeting place and then isolate them from one another, to prevent "contamination." Give each dreamer a specific set of tasks that the other dreamer doesn't know a thing about. Repeat experiment as necessary. In theory, the shared dreamers should, at some point, (taking into count perceptions and dream recall issues), notice these random tasks, and if shared dreaming is possible, the stories should match up somewhat consistently.Quote:
Originally Posted by bewareofit1505
BUT, as WakingNomad said, getting to a lab and volunteering for such an experiment is a royal pain in the ass, so don't get your hopes up anytime soon. ;) We'll just have to settle for our own attempts and proving things to ourselves. I have every intention of sharing a dream myself. If successful, I really don't see myself heading out to a dreaming lab...I see myself sleeping more than ever. :lol:
Dang it why won't people go to a lab... I want proof for it, so I would absolutely go to one, in fact, I plan to do the experiment myself for my major, but I can't seem to find someone who is up to being a partner... or they don't have good recall, only 1 out of like 9 tries seem successful so far, need to work on that... but dang be more open to labs people! Hopefully, I will find a person before time runes out <.<
See post #74.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walms
Good idea. There's already a thread on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by enannanfemma
Good idea. So, who wants to fly me to Montreal?Quote:
Originally Posted by bewareofit1505
^I'll need your bank account details and a copy of your passport.
Seems like when people are bored they tap in on the subject of sharing lucid dreams.Quote:
Originally Posted by XeL
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And this is where the conversation goes south for the winter.
Lol......Quote:
Originally Posted by WakingNomad
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I had no intention of spamming nor joining the fray lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mario92
A few questions to you guys who claim to have shared dreams. Is it only possible to share a dream when lucid? Is everyone in my regular dreams dreaming about me at the same time? Where's there difference between a shared dream and a normal dream?
:banana:Shared dreaming is, in fact, possible. It turns out that i`ve been in numerous shared dreams, even starring in a mass dream. I have asked other people that I trust, and they claimed that they saw the same basic situations I was in. In fact, i`ve even had a shared dream with a member here, Loaf. So if you ask me, shared dreaming is entirely possible.
edit: Xel, you don`t have to be lucid to have a shared dream, because I wasn`t in any of mine. It depends on if the other people are dreamers or DCs. And the difference between a normal and shared dream is just that someone else has the same one as you.
Why isn't it as easy as this to prove:
Dreamer "A" is given a word by experimenter right before bed. Dreamer "A" is to make contact in the dream world with Dreamer "B". In the dream, Dreamer "A" tells Dreamer "B" the word. Upon waking, Dreamer "B" tells the secret word to the experimenter. If the word is correct, dream contact occurred. To make it cheatproof, the experimenter would have to supervise one of the dreamers during the night to foreclose the possibility of communication.
The fact that it is this easy and yet has never been done, as far as I know, makes me skeptical.
Honestly people!
Spoiler for Rant:
People are morons!
Just because there is no scientific backing yet doesn't mean its disproved. I don't see why everyone is so caught up about proving shared dreaming is wrong. Fact is, there hasn't been conclusive concrete evidence to support either side of the argument.
Exactly loaf, which is why I will try to conduct my own experiences.
As soon as I can get alice to consistantly LD we're going to try some shared dreams.
The day you can go into the matrix without being plugged..... heck just go in there anyways or have internet access without wireless or wires. Is the day shared dreaming will be approvedQuote:
Originally Posted by jarrhead
I'm not saying it is possible or impossible. I don't know. Does that frighten me? No. Do I deny it? No. Do I approve it? No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Squaddle
You just have to discover for yourself if it's true. If I had to make a choice though, I would say "not possible."
I know one thing regarding this subject, and I am sure of it, It's possible for some people, while not for others... you can believe, or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by jarrhead
I think it's possible for everyone. Actually I think we do it all the time, but just don't realize it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Squaddle
Not to mention the fact most people aren't willing to give it a try. Theres your problem.
Was being cryptic and giving it off with a metaphor. But that's the point... probably.Quote:
Originally Posted by WakingNomad
I have no idea what the above means.Quote:
Originally Posted by Squaddle
Me neither....Quote:
Originally Posted by WakingNomad
I'm sorry to say your opinion has just gone out of the window.Quote:
Originally Posted by Squaddle
Guess I have to say it but, no... it isn't that simple. First, recalling stuff is hard enough for people to do it accurately, SD willingly must be hard too, especially with a bunch of random people, and if the person isn't random, then chances are, they know so well each other that they gave hints or its normal for their dreams to be similar, not to mention that using a DJ would make things worse and getting people to try this for an extended period of time isn't easy <.<Quote:
Originally Posted by Acala
Also, the other problem WakingNomad adressed, you can't just magically grow money out of nowhere to go to the lab for as long as you wish... then again I won't give up, I'm sure I can find someone to use while I'm on school lol
i believe that messages and important information can be told through dreams, although the exact same thing your dreaming may be a different variation than the other person's dream.
My best friend that i've known for 17 years has appeared to me in my dreams when she's troubled or anxious about something; i'll call her the next day and she'll tell me whats bothering her..
Even though she doesn't remember what she dreamed about or if i was even in it..