Thread: quantum jumping???

ok then, a mass consensus that they don't exist.

Originally Posted by Xedan

ok then, a mass consensus that they don't exist.

That is the current consensus, at least among scientists and specialists.

Not really. Most people don't believe that, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that ghosts don't exist. The consensus would be "unsure".

Incase anyone is interested ... it's the torrent file for goldmans quantum jumping discs and such.

edit: Link removed...please do not post links to torrents -nina

I feel that astral is higher than lucid, do to the fact(maybe just my reality). You are accessing your 3rd eye as a vision into a physical world as well. (or seeing with your eyes closed) You also may get quick flashes of past/present/future. Its true you can pull up a blackscreen in lucid, but usually ends up in another dream. Astral takes control of whats on the screen & how awake you realy are. How awake are you??

SleepyCookieDough:

I agree that lucid dreaming has been proven, which is why I believe in it, apart from my own experiences.

Dreamsayer: I appreciate your interest in shedding light on the subject, but how do you come to the conclusions in the first place?

For example, what makes you believe that the idea of a "third eye" actually describes a material reality?

How do you determine that what you call "astral" isn't just a particularly good lucid dream, with no supernatural aspect whatsoever?

I'm not closed to the possibility of AP on principle, or anything. But, I have not been presented with compelling evidence.

Originally Posted by RCLefty

SleepyCookieDough:

I agree that lucid dreaming has been proven, which is why I believe in it, apart from my own experiences.

Yes, I knew that you agreed with that. (Just saying so you know I understood you)

Originally Posted by RCLefty

Dreamsayer: I appreciate your interest in shedding light on the subject, but how do you come to the conclusions in the first place?

For example, what makes you believe that the idea of a "third eye" actually describes a material reality?

How do you determine that what you call "astral" isn't just a particularly good lucid dream, with no supernatural aspect whatsoever?

I'm not closed to the possibility of AP on principle, or anything. But, I have not been presented with compelling evidence.

I hold the same curiosity.

well, commonly when returning from a astral experience, you can view the room before you enter your physical body, this will allow you to make observations, such as the clock(3rd eye sight) Lucid may allow you control, but you are actually just being silly in a world you control...Astral can control, but will commonly choose the observer. Where you have full access to open doors long closed(Akashic Records.) It is also in question of what state of consciousness you really are in... Did you experience it before you woke up(This determines your exposure into that state of mind) Meaning, you are not likely to go astral if you meditate or just after you fall asleep. But only after other deeper states of consciousness have taken the place of Alpha... Say gamma....So instead of lucid, which is alpha-theta... Astral may be gamma-theta. A definative state of higher consciousness. In this state there is commonly one main goal, This is for self improvement & finding answers(kundalini). Not making light sabers & cutting off dragons heads. Alot of signals cant be interpreted by the awake mind, but your subconscious can hear a broad band of waves we dont. You cant hear delta waves with the human ear, but an intuned mind still accepts these signals, Where the other 80% of the world deny these waves. So these people will always think its fake.

Science has been sweeping this under the carpet for years, so why are you at a dream sight when you dont believe your dreams have any influence in the physical??? I cant give you special powers to prove it, you have to KNOW they are true. Believing will only prove to be more elusive in your quest. When i see the future in a dream, I wonder why the whole world is ignorant about it. I may not be good enough to prove it, but i KNOW. I know that seeing something before it happens is just oxymoron to say its delusion, when it hasnt happened yet. Infact it would imply that the physical is the delusion, since the dream happened first.

But i cant make others see unless they uncover their eyes.
Why am i hear??? to share my knowledge on the dream world & find answers that scientists are to immature to take on. We want to know why we are different & why the rest of the world wont accept it... Really makes me rip my hair out honestly. I think maybe the others dont have developed brains or something. But insulting the world wont get me the answers i'm looking for. So i must be patient & dilligent at the same time.

I unfortunately am not a parapsychologist or physicist, so most of what i say is interpretations on the unknown. I hope to gain more insight as i may learn from others with the same situation as me...still looking.

Originally Posted by OP

quantum jumping???

LOL

Originally Posted by Xedan

Not really. Most people don't believe that, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that ghosts don't exist. The consensus would be "unsure".

Yes really.

"We can't prove 100% the earth won't be invaded by Wraith aliens tomorrow therefore the general consensus about the veracity of the claim should be 'unsure'." That's not a sound argument. Until a theory has some kind of evidence and reasoning supporting it, it's all just assumptions based on nothing, imagination as far as anyone knows. It's "Innocent until proven guilty", or in this case, imaginary until proven real.

And that's the current consensus about paranormal theories, like ghosts: they're not real.


Going back to your previous statement that "occultism" is a science. Occultism is actually defined as pseudo-science, and the reason for that is because it tries to look like science but by-passes fundamental scientific principles.

Lucid dreaming is considered a pseudo-science, dude

Thank god we actually have proof that lucid dreaming exists...I cannot imagine the amount of skeptical people we would get who have never had a lucid dream and do not think it is even possible. Really, it's only a matter of time until we have proof of some of these other things that people are so quick to dismiss. However, this quantum jumping does seem like a load of bull, just trying to make a buck off gullible people...and I honestly don't even have a clue what it's about...but I'm filing it away under the same category as "yogic flying"...heh.

*agreed*

By the way, anyone here ever heard of the "Unexplainable Store"? They sell binaural tracks that supposedly work 100% of the time. On a huge variety of subjects too.

Originally Posted by Aquanina

Thank god we actually have proof that lucid dreaming exists...I cannot imagine the amount of skeptical people we would get who have never had a lucid dream and do not think it is even possible. Really, it's only a matter of time until we have proof of some of these other things that people are so quick to dismiss.

Why wait. Science has proven, with a huge degree of certainty, that the consciousness resides within the brain. There is a wealth of evidence out there. Its just a bit inconvenient for the quantum leapers.
Oh boy!

Originally Posted by Xedan

Lucid dreaming is considered a pseudo-science, dude

Not it isn't. Some people may attach unnecessary pseudo-scientific practices and rituals to lucid dreaming, but that doesn't mean they're necessary for the act or it's study.

Lucid dreaming may have been fringe, but it was never supernatural.

Originally Posted by Scatterbrain

Not it isn't. Some people may attach unnecessary pseudo-scientific practices and rituals to lucid dreaming, but that doesn't mean they're necessary for the act or it's study.

Lucid dreaming may have been fringe, but it was never supernatural.

Agreed.

And while Astral Projection might be real, it has no significantly better chance than Santa Clause, unicorns, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

For example, you can't even construct a theory about Astral Projection without assuming the existence of souls, and currently there is no evidence for souls.

In fact, souls not only lack empirical support, they don't even have explanatory power. I challenge anyone here to provide any demonstrable phenomenon that is better explained by souls than by a materialistic alternative.

Until such a phenomenon can be identified, the existence of souls, much less ideas like AP, is pure speculation.

So, if AP is a guess, then it has about as much chance of being correct as you have of scoring a regulation basket by throwing a basketball in a pitch-black room, when you aren't even sure if there's a basketball goal in the room to begin with.

Originally Posted by Scatterbrain

Not it isn't. Some people may attach unnecessary pseudo-scientific practices and rituals to lucid dreaming, but that doesn't mean they're necessary for the act or it's study.

Lucid dreaming may have been fringe, but it was never supernatural.

God damn, you guys have been posting a lot. Well in response to this post, I see no evidence that lucid dreaming works at all. I myself have had lucid dreams, but I can't prove it. There are techniques for inducing them, but a person could just as easily just say it worked for them when it failed. Maybe in laboratory conditions you could monitor the brain or something for lucid dreaming, but I don't see how what this forum conducts is anything but a pseudoscience. We may have some logic to LDing, but we're only a rank or two above ghost hunting.