Thread: quantum jumping???

Well the way I wee it, occultism is a science. There is trial and error, experimentations, and (reportedly) discoveries and breakthroughs. Occultism is just the oogie-boogie stuff mainstream science has no time for, and thus it is not very advanced. If people cared enough about it, I'm sure we'd be to the point by now where you could chat online with ghosts, or at least have proof they don't exist.

And let us not forget. Anything can be used to understand reality, but only if everyone believes it, for a reality is nothing more than a collective truth.

Originally Posted by Xedan

Well the way I wee it, occultism is a science. There is trial and error, experimentations, and (reportedly) discoveries and breakthroughs. Occultism is just the oogie-boogie stuff mainstream science has no time for, and thus it is not very advanced. If people cared enough about it, I'm sure we'd be to the point by now where you could chat online with ghosts, or at least have proof they don't exist.

It's impossible to prove the non-existence of ghosts, or any other supernatural concept.

ok then, a mass consensus that they don't exist.

Originally Posted by Xedan

ok then, a mass consensus that they don't exist.

That is the current consensus, at least among scientists and specialists.

Not really. Most people don't believe that, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that ghosts don't exist. The consensus would be "unsure".

Incase anyone is interested ... it's the torrent file for goldmans quantum jumping discs and such.

edit: Link removed...please do not post links to torrents -nina

I feel that astral is higher than lucid, do to the fact(maybe just my reality). You are accessing your 3rd eye as a vision into a physical world as well. (or seeing with your eyes closed) You also may get quick flashes of past/present/future. Its true you can pull up a blackscreen in lucid, but usually ends up in another dream. Astral takes control of whats on the screen & how awake you realy are. How awake are you??

Originally Posted by Xedan

Not really. Most people don't believe that, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that ghosts don't exist. The consensus would be "unsure".

Yes really.

"We can't prove 100% the earth won't be invaded by Wraith aliens tomorrow therefore the general consensus about the veracity of the claim should be 'unsure'." That's not a sound argument. Until a theory has some kind of evidence and reasoning supporting it, it's all just assumptions based on nothing, imagination as far as anyone knows. It's "Innocent until proven guilty", or in this case, imaginary until proven real.

And that's the current consensus about paranormal theories, like ghosts: they're not real.


Going back to your previous statement that "occultism" is a science. Occultism is actually defined as pseudo-science, and the reason for that is because it tries to look like science but by-passes fundamental scientific principles.

Lucid dreaming is considered a pseudo-science, dude