Thread: Tips on Lucid Living: Increasing Awareness in Waking Life

Originally Posted by Arutad

So what you mean by "lucidity" is loss of consciousness! The very opposite of it.

Tell me if I forget how to use the fork, am I more lucid and aware? If I forget how to read letters, am I? Guys, I don't know where you get such wild notions.

According to this philosophy, the most lucid state ever is normal sleep. No rational mind there.

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Lol yeah you two would make a great couple ^^

It doesn't mean you don't get it that it doesn't make sense lol. It makes a lot of sense to me, everything you do is actually subconscious. Do you really think you know how to transform letters into words into sounds into meaning into pictures? Do you really honestly believe this is a rational process?

The conscious is the tip of the iceberg, the subconscious does all the work, the conscious is merely the guiding focal point. It does nothing at all. Please tell me what your conscious can do without the subconscious and how it does it, I'm all ears..

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

It makes a lot of sense to me, everything you do is actually subconscious. Do you really think you know how to transform letters into words into sounds into meaning into pictures? Do you really honestly believe this is a rational process?

The conscious is the tip of the iceberg, the subconscious does all the work, the conscious is merely the guiding focal point. It does nothing at all. Please tell me what your conscious can do without the subconscious and how it does it, I'm all ears..

I never said anything about total refusal from the subconscious, or that it's possible to function without it. Only that functioning without the conscious is a silly idea, it's called deep sleep. When people associate lucidity or awareness with deep sleep, that's a wow. They basically want to fall asleep forever, without this "guiding focal point", totally unconscious, as if it puts them in touch with reality. It puts them in touch with their subjective feelings and sensations, not reality, but that's a matter of what you're focused on more (feelings and sensations), not the matter of trashing the conscious or anything else.

Originally Posted by Corello

When I mentioned relaxing your rational mind, I didn't mean shutting it down, much less giving it up for working your daily life with only your emotional mind, that would be a disaster, if is it that such thing would be possible.

Ok thanx for correcting me. That's great.

In deep medidation, or Gnosis for example, you are consciously experiencing it, but you're not making judgement of reality with your rational mind as you usually do, you're experiencing it with the other side of your mind.

And this is something I can't agree with. Conscious mind is not what makes judgements, it merely frames them. But they reside somewhere else. Let's say that they're neither in the conscious or the subconscious fully. It's easy to prove on a dream forum: you make judgements in your dreams with ease, all the time. Moral judgements, predicting behavior, etc. Consciousness is not involved. And in awaken state it's a kind of interaction of the two parts of yourself, sometimes at war with each other.

So in my opinion if you want to purify your mind, for whatever reason, you should purify the subconscious, and the conscious will follow its wake. There's nothing to purify in the conscious, it's a tool that follows strict rules. It's a machine, and its functioning is the way of analyzing, making comparisons, evaluating, etc. Anything else is not coming from it.

But the poor rational mind always gets the blame. A traditional scapegoat.

Also, things you do in your daily life end up sinking down into your unconscious. If you cool down all your five senses in real life, laid on your bed, really deep, and then exercise your imaginary senses, as if you were somewhere doing something you didn't get the hang of in your LDs, like flying very high and fast for example. If you get to make it intense and vivid, that set of abilities may be passed down to your LDs. I know this because I do it. (Doing this in the alpha or Theta, if you can make it, state of consciousness is highly recommended.)

I agree, but what did you want to prove with it?

Arutad, see "troll"....

If you really believe that we're talking about a bunch of bullshit, then why not just let us be happy and talk about our bullshit?

Originally Posted by MrFantasy

Arutad, see "troll"....

If you really believe that we're talking about a bunch of bullshit, then why not just let us be happy and talk about our bullshit?

Auruad is not a Troll, she's a valuable member of the forum.
Arguing against stupidity is not trolling.

As for why people feel the need to step in when people talk bullshit... it's because we are sick of bullshit taking over the world.
It is bullshit, that when taken to the extreme, justifys things like people flying planes into buildings.
Sure, thats an extreme, but it was fuelled by the same acceptance of bullshit at its very roots.

Maybe you're the one talking bullshit... ever considered that? I'm just saying what if you were the one talking bullshit, then you would be the one taking over the world with your bullshit.. lol. I guess you didn't think that one out did you... I mean, you come in here ranting against spirituaity all the time, lol are you trying to save the world from people who believe in spirituality and are actively trying to change themself for the greater good? Wow how nice of you!

Even if spirituality is bullshit, the intent behind it is nothing but positive. How can you be against this positivity is beyond me... Actually, I think you are attracted to spirituality in the first place, or you wouldn't bother posting here. It's not the need to defend the world against bullshit, you can't erase all spirituality from the panet and you very much realize this. The true reason you come here is because feel major attraction...

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

Maybe you're the one talking bullshit... ever considered that? I'm just saying what if you were the one talking bullshit, then you would be the one taking over the world with your bullshit.. lol. I guess you didn't think that one out did you... I mean, you come in here ranting against spirituaity all the time, lol are you trying to save the world from people who believe in spirituality and are actively trying to change themself for the greater good? Wow how nice of you!

Even if spirituality is bullshit, the intent behind it is nothing but positive. How can you be against this positivity is beyond me... Actually, I think you are attracted to spirituality in the first place, or you wouldn't bother posting here. It's not the need to defend the world against bullshit, you can't erase all spirituality from the panet and you very much realize this. The true reason you come here is because feel major attraction...

Yes I always consider if the things im studying are bullshit or not, I think that is a healthy way to be, question things, keep questioning, don't jump to easy conclusions. That is the foundation of critical thinking. So, whilst you may think you're making a clever insult, i don't take it as insulting, because it's a healthy way to be... Otherwise you end up believing in things like Auras, and not knowing what galvanic skin response but quoting it as if it backs up your argument.

I disagree, I dont think the intent behind spirituality is positive.
I think it is self serving, a comfort blanket, a way to cocoon yourself away from reality to feel safe and secure.
Being willfully ignorant, is not a positive force in the universe. Whilst it may solve some immediate fears and worries, it will in the long run line people up for being taken advantage of, both financially and mentally, and will also create a culture of ignorance.

Do we want a world full of people who shun facts in favour of unsubstantiated "happy feeling" beliefs?
Where will that lead?

I am not attracted to spirituality, I've already wasted too much of my life chasing that rainbow, when i could have spent the time learning about the real world. I actually feel conned and ripped off, by people i trusted to share truths with me... only to discover they were simply passing on their own delusions (at best) or (at worst) knowingly misleading people for their own fame and financial gain.

That's why I stand up to it, because too few people do. They make weak arguments like your own that its foundations are "positive", when in reality its foundations are akin to "white lies" or "self delusion".

As Freud himself said: "Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion. "

Originally Posted by MrFantasy

spaceexplorer, "Tips on Lucid Living" is the kind of bullshit that might cause people to crash planes into buildings?? Take the stick out of your butt, man.

If you can't understand the point I was making, then that in itself is worrying.
The point is simple: if you have a world of people accepting lies because they make people happy, eventually someone will take advantage of that self imposed ignorance and make good people do bad things.
9/11 would not have happened if people were more critical thinking, and didn't accept stupid religous ideas in the first place.
And as will all religious thinking... it starts with simple ideas, simple lies, then grows.
If you plant a seed of stupidy, eventually don't be suprised when you find yourself in a forest of bullshit.

spaceexplorer, "Tips on Lucid Living" is the kind of bullshit that might cause people to crash planes into buildings?? Take the stick out of your butt, man.

You people need to grow up, the DreamViews forums are supposed to be about maturely discussing topics and promoting the art of lucid dreaming. Not that there's anything wrong with a healthy debate, but I get the feeling a lot of people on here just want someone to argue with. If that's the case, fine, but please go do it somewhere else and stop being such dicks to people who are honestly trying to have a good discussion. Besides, it's not like you're winning anyone over....

Originally Posted by MrFantasy

spaceexplorer, "Tips on Lucid Living" is the kind of bullshit that might cause people to crash planes into buildings?? Take the stick out of your butt, man.

You people need to grow up, the DreamViews forums are supposed to be about maturely discussing topics and promoting the art of lucid dreaming. Not that there's anything wrong with a healthy debate, but I get the feeling a lot of people on here just want someone to argue with. If that's the case, fine, but please go do it somewhere else and stop being such dicks to people who are honestly trying to have a good discussion. Besides, it's not like you're winning anyone over....

Lol wow I think you nailed it down. Thanks for enlightening me...

Originally Posted by MrFantasy

spaceexplorer, "Tips on Lucid Living" is the kind of bullshit that might cause people to crash planes into buildings?? Take the stick out of your butt, man.

You people need to grow up, the DreamViews forums are supposed to be about maturely discussing topics and promoting the art of lucid dreaming. Not that there's anything wrong with a healthy debate, but I get the feeling a lot of people on here just want someone to argue with. If that's the case, fine, but please go do it somewhere else and stop being such dicks to people who are honestly trying to have a good discussion. Besides, it's not like you're winning anyone over....

Let us review the description of the Beyond dreaming forum:
Here OBEs, dream precognition, sharing dreams, and other freaky paranormal things can be discussed.

No matter the intention of creating this forum, this is a more accurate description:

This forum is for people who like to argue about these topics:OBEs, dream precognition, sharing dreams, and other freaky paranormal things. If you bring up any of these topics: OBEs, dream precognition, sharing dreams, and other freaky paranormal things, others will argue with you incessantly until they kill your thread.

The main reason I posted this thread in the Beyond Dreaming forum is so more people would get exposed to it, even though I knew that The Rationalist Crusader Gang would kill it. I don't really understand why some people feel it is their mission to argue to death a topic on an internet forum, but c'est la vie.

The Deep Dreaming forum is not on the main page, but I kind of like it that way because I don't want a bunch of random people joining willy-nilly, and it becoming like this thread-killing forum.

Let us review the guidelines:
* Religious topics only belong in the Religion/Spirituality forum; any threads belonging there will be moved there.
* Try not to make claims without substantiating them with facts or evidence.
* No preaching. Keep in mind this is a discussion forum, so topics should be discussed on their merits and not crammed down people's throats.
* Play fair--avoid insults and personal attacks.



Reviewing this, I realize how the guideline practically contradict the forum description.

1) Many of these topics have something to do with religion and spirituality.

2) Just for someone to post, "I had an OBE!" is violating the guidelines, because how the fuck are you supposed to back that up with evidence. I blame this on Dreamviews. Maybe they are too concerned with looking silly to the public or something? I don't really know.

3) Most of the people arguing on here are "cramming down people's throats" but that is so subjective.

4) Every thread becomes rife with personal attacks after about the fifth post. Maybe we should report more to moderators? I don't know I don't want any of us to be heavily moderated. I don't like to be insulted. No one does. But, I allow it because I must then ask myself, "If I am insulted, I must care about what that person thinks about me." If I care about what someone thinks about me, that means I have an ego problem, so it's just another lesson. Anyway, I am going to stop posting in this forum as much because I realize it's creation is a contradiction in terms. I am talking about the guidelines contradicting the description, specifically.

Join the quiet rebels in the Deep Dreaming forum. Admin approval is required because it's for those of us who do not want to waste time arguing.

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

The conscious is the tip of the iceberg, the subconscious does all the work, the conscious is merely the guiding focal point. It does nothing at all. Please tell me what your conscious can do without the subconscious and how it does it, I'm all ears..

the brain prioritizes what we consciously retain.
The brain is capable of amazing things, but in order to function properly in modern society, it has to prioritize.

What happens if we don't prioritize info?
Your brain takes in EVERYTHING and you cant function. (autism)

this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVqRT_kCOLI

is what im talking about. (what i think im talking about.)

CHAYBA, I did not answer your question.

sorry.