Thread: Lucid dreaming is much more we ever imagined - a key to external life.

First of all - the discovery is something really big!

It´s a long story, but i assure you - if you follow everything and think with me, you will get to know things that can be existentially important to us and find a great meaning in our lives. (no joke) So if you think you´ll get it over with 10 minutes, then please don´t bother and come back when you have some more time. I will give some links to youtube videos as well and if you watch them, you will surely understand better.

(sorry if my English is not very good, it´s not my first language)

I´ve never been a big fan of religion, spirits, souls, life after death and so on, but after I began to explore some interesting things, I understood that many things in many different topics make perfect sense.

first i want you to watch a video about DMT:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKOO-VB_yts

So DMT is a chemical in our brain, that is released when we sleep and have near-death experiences for example. When it´s released, our mind goes out of our body to another place/dimension (as you all know from your dreams - it´s another reality. many people who have been very near to death, experience something like that as well)

DMT is widely spread in nature and can be found in many plants. It can be extracted and consumed by humans as well and it has basically the same effect on you then - you will leave your physical body for 5-10 minutes and go to another place/reality, call it as you may.

In 1990s Dr. Rick Strassman conducted DMT researches in the university of New Mexico. Hundreds of doses of DMT were given to volunteers. Most of them agreed, that they were taken to another place/dimension. Many encountered some kind of intelligent beings and communicated with these extremely smart and friendly beings/entities.

The people who have taken DMT tend to report some kind of knowledge, understanding, enlightenment. They say that they have seen out of this life.


DMT is produced by a part of our brain called pineal gland, which has been mentioned and pointed out in history and in many religions as the third eye. It is believed in many faiths, that the third eye is the key to our next and previous lives. For example the Tibetans believe, that a soul will come into a human being on the 49th day after fertilization. Pineal gland appears in the human embryo at the same time.

That´s why many scientists who research DMT believe, that this part of the brain can be a portal which can lead us into this life and out from our bodies, when we die, to another life. So our souls should live forever. The last thing a person should remember before death(from this life) is the release of very high amount of DMT.


HOW ON EARTH is lucid dreaming a key to external life, you may ask. Don´t worry, I will get there soon, I just need you to follow all the aspects to understand it fully.

The release of DMT can also be achieved by mystical states of consciousness like meditation and many shamanic rituals. Think about it –Buddhists pursue meditation as part of the path toward Enlightenment and Nirvana. The more they meditate(and the more they release DMT), the more happy they are and the more closer they get to the existence of our universe, death, birth and so on. To understand this point, I strongly recommend to watch a video about meditation, it shows perfectly why do people want to achieve this state. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ff0htlOQcE They have done it for thousands of years and there has to be a damn good reason! It´s even proven scientifically, that Buddhists are right in many ways. For example that this world is basically just an illusion and is made up by our consciousnesses – That is the most intriguing discovery of ALL TIME in my opinion ! (where science and Buddhism meet - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qj_i7YqDwJA)

Shamans are the ones to communicate with the spirit world. DMT is used in some south-american tribes by shamans to get to this mystical state and have better understanding.


I´m sure that all the religions have ultimately the same purpose/objective – to live a life, that would be good enough, to lead you to a better place/ /enlightenment/GOD after you die here. Only the way they say it, is different. During thousands of years all the religious beliefs have strongly changed. They have attached details and stories, which are not so straight forward and can(read: will!) mislead us. Lets take Christianity for example. Their way of delivering the message has become a long and confusing story, which many idiots take word by word. They think that there literally is a place called hell, where they can go if they haven´t lived a right life and they will burn forever. They also believe, that there literally is a man with a beard sitting on a cloud and watching your every step. The ideas that many people believe nowadays is just a question of interpretation.

The original idea was just to believe and not forget that this existence where we live now, is something(maybe illusion) that can´t even be compared to the greatness that comes after this life, when you have done everything correctly. The same basic idea still exists in almost every religion in the world.


What do I mean by doing everything correctly in this life ???

Very simple actually – we don’t even have to use the words like sin and punishment. The whole idea is just to be aware of the greater existence of your soul and do everything you can, to continue your journey after “death”. When you “die” and you still keep yourself aware, then you can come out of this so called “reality”, that we live in now and become something so powerful and intelligent that we just can´t imagine or describe it yet. You can call it evolution!

There are many tools to attain your awareness, but the main idea is to work with your head, reach conclusions and think out of the boundaries of our humble “world” – monks meditate for years and by that they will gain the ultimate understanding of our existence, so death is nothing for them – they simply move on. It can be quite possible that the use of DMT can also lead you to some conclusions and therefore you already know where and how to move on after “death”.


FINALLY! Lucid Dreaming!! This is the most important part, I guess, but only when you understand the previous text.

As I already said, dreaming triggers our brain to work the same way as it does at the time we reach higher levels of consciousness. According to the previous text we can even say, that dreaming takes us to another world, which can be something similar (or even the same) as the world where our mind/spirit/soul goes after our body here has died. If we don´t take control there, everything works like in a non-lucid dream – meaning we can´t change the course of things to happen.

If we already know from our previous experiences with lucid dreaming, how to take control, then the experience can be something truly magical and wonderful – this is the place and form of existence where all the religions strive to. We are unable to imagine the potential and opportunities of this higher state of consciousness. This is something that every human being wants to achieve.

Maybe you have heard some legends about the Philosophers stone? It´s supposed to be something that gives you external life and when you possess it, you can´t lose it. For a long time, it was the most sought-after goal in western alchemy and philosophy as well.

I think you already see what I want to say: Lucid Dreaming is the philosophers stone !!! Everything makes sense perfectly.

In old Egyptian religion(in Christianity and many other religions as well) there is a certain test/judgment after you die. If you pass it, you can proceed to next life. If you die and possess the ability to stay lucid and be aware of everything, then it means that you can go on. Otherwise, you can begin your cycle all over again and hope you´ll find the truth that time OR you will be just thrown out of existence or whatever – some people like to call this state HELL. If you have done everything right, you go to the state that some people like to call HEAVEN.




If you really realllly read all this text, I want to thank you for your time and hopefully understanding as well. If you want to learn more, I recommend a 40minute documentary on youtube - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDLGJ...x=0&playnext=1 . Then you can move on to other things which intrigue you the most and start finding parallels in very many different topics.



PS! The text is based on some videos, wikipedia, my own ideas and conclusions. Therefore I claim nothing.

Hoping to see some discussion or maybe even questions.

Silver

Well I read everything and watched the videos about Where Buddhism and Science meet but it seems as if your other links are broken so I could not watch the documentary. But I have been thinking about this kind of stuff for a very long time and never actually had any facts to back it up. This leaves me with so many questions! But I'm wondering, since the mind creates reality, does that mean we all see reality differently? For example if one man sees an apple will another man see this apple differently?

Sorry about the broken links, i fixed them, so please - take a look!

I have been thinking about the way different people see reality as well.
I´m sure that we all see colors very differently. It can be, that we see material object almost the same way as others, because the meaning of objects and words has developed over a long time, so we have collectively created a certain shape for many different things. There´s this certain "standard" for each object, that we have put into our minds.

just speculating..

yea i've read everthing and watched some of the links. I really have been dabbling on these ideas for a while. In this kind of research I always seem to find random facts and such that connect and make perfect sense. It feels so good.

About to go to bed, but I can't wait to read this. I'm a religious/spiritual person and often think about the connections between dreams and the hereafter, and the thought that they may be a gateway into the spiritual realm. I would love to be a part of this discussion when I get the chance.

So DMT is essentially a hormonal drug generated by certain ritualistic behaviours.

This Hit might explain the popularity of religions and belief systems.

But it does not validate those belief systems.

hi! intriguing article though I found some incongruities about budhism in it.

1. buddhists also believe in hell- in fact budhist believe you can be reborn as a god, demigod, human, animal, hungry ghost and hell being, depending on your state of consciousness prior to death

2. Yes, gaining lucidity during death, or indeed not loosing it- call it a death WILD is the main purpose of budhism- if you don't gain lucidity you will be reborn as one of the aforementioned beings, if you do you stand a good chance of escaping this cycle and attaining a state of non-rebirth and full knowledge and stuff- I recommend reading the Tibetan book of living and dying


Overall I find all of this very intriguing, and it could be true, or it could be but a misguided acid trip- 50/50 chance in my opinion, still, high enough to warrant research- plus if you are dead and it turns out there is nothing there you won't really care

I find this post of yours very interesting becuase it strongly ties in with my own theories of consciousness.

Maybe it's psuedo -science, becuase I don't really know enough abotu it, but when I think about what a consciousness is, it doens't appear to be anything that really "exists" in our spacial dimensions, it is a phenomenon that exists through a medium which seems to be the brain, using the body as a tool, to keep this network living in 3d space, so that it can go to sleep, and manipulate an alternate conscious dimension.

I kind of see the very existance ofconsciousness itselfas something that cannot exist in our world, it is not a physical thing, it isn't a force, it isn't an electromagnetic wave, it does not appear to even exist on a scientific level, yet you feel it every second you are alive. This is why I believe that the very consciousness itself actualy IS a dimension of existance in it's own, and that every living thing with a consciousness experiences it, and all consciousnessis linked, because it is all one, yet seperated by physical bodies and egos. when your body dies, you're instantly just a part of all consciosuness again, a state of blankness which is what some people theorise is the state you enter when you die, just blank nothingness, and no actually ability to question this. The lucid dreaming seems to be a volentary ticket to manipulate this dimension, using your physical ego as a tool, as if this dimension invented the 3 dimensional world as well as time, as a means to create life, to add significance to ITSELF.

kk... random thoughts explosion there. be sure to tell me if I'm insane or not (:

I know a lot of people would argue about DMT and the pineal gland. I'm still not sold on it, but it wouldn't surprise me.

Other than that, I agree with your philosophy. Like yuri mentioned, get some books on Tibetan Buddhism. Especially Dream Yoga. Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche's book The Tibetan Yogas of Dream and Sleep is a good place to start. It is not too "far out." It explains Buddhism by relating it to simple to understand human behaviors.

I know we can only begin to form a very simple model of how this all works. Much of it is just semantics and point of view. Different metaphors for the same fundamental, impossible to understand, questions. My favorite thing about shamanic religions is that they don't rely on any kind of dogma. They rely on teaching people to experience things firsthand. The best we can do is have these experiences firsthand, agree that they are common to all humans, and then discuss the possibilities.

Hi Trolluz,

Well, your English is mostly fine, but I must admit, I read all the way through this expecting something quite different, because you had a mispelling all the way through! You kept referring to lucid dream helping with EXTERNAL life, which means the outer reality of our waking world, when I am pretty sure you meant ETERNAL reality, which means living forever. Is that correct?

Anyway, my take on this, and I'm not a Buddhist, but a Gnostic Christian/Native American... which makes me basically Christo-Pagan, is that we reincarnate back into the earth plane until we have become full-fledged adult responsible conscious human beings. It's not a one-time deal here, where you live once, and either go to Heaven or Hell, or are caught in some limbo until you're resurrected to one or the other. We have a prescribed pre-planned lesson program that we have to complete this lifetime, even though no one thought to give us a course syllabus. Somewhere deep down, we do know this. Lucid dreaming is a good thing, but it's not a key to the afterlife or to eternal life. There is also a lot more purpose to dreams than simply lucid dreaming, which is only one aspect of dreams.

I opened to lucid dreams with no effort, no self-programming, no incubations, none of the things that are talked about here, so I have a hard time understanding why everyone is doing all that. Really, a lot of things simply open up for a person when it's time for them to be able to work with them with full understanding. Our other dreams are just as important as lucid dreams! Also, lucidity in dreams should foster lucidity in waking life, so that we start seeing interactions with the Divine going on all around us.

Your ability to lucid dream does not affect the fact that you live after death. You simply *do*... death is simply a change, a transition, to another place, a discarding of a worn out body. What you encounter after death varies, of course. For some, they may have screwed up so badly, like my brother who was a serious drug addict and committed suicide by cocaine overdose, that they have some long and intensive work to do on the Other Side with help from guides and angels before they can reincarnate back into the earth plane. Part of what he has had to do includes watching over loved ones who were affected by his actions, and see just what those effects were. (I know this partly from him, as he has visited me, and partly from my guide, Leslie.) It's not all going to be instant Heaven or Nirvana vs. some nightmare place called Hell. There's work to do, and that work goes on. Eventually, all will be brought into a mature enlightened adult form, but that will take many lifetimes.

What we need to focus on more than just lucid dreams is how those lucid dreams do, in fact, help with your EXTERNAL reality. That should have been the right word if you really understand what life here is for. Our external reality is our classroom, the place where life lessons are taught and worked through. All of our dreams can help us to complete our life lessons if we work to understand the meanings of the dreams, and allow the dreams to change us for the better.

We don't need drugs for any of it, either. That is the wrong way to go. Herbs and aromatherapy are good things, if used to aid relaxation and healing and the like, but anything hallucinogenic is just not necessary. You can go into waking dreams by listening to music that includes drumming, or even just plain drumming CD's. I know Robert Moss puts out one of those, and it's available on his website <www.mossdreams.com>. I prefer mine with flutes and the like too, so generally go for Native American or Peruvian music, or music by Dave and Steve Gordon. That, and some lavender essential oil on a candle or in my aromatherapy diffuser, is all it takes. Then, I do it naturally in during dreamtime as well.

Anyway... think about how your dreams, both regular and lucid ones, do in fact, help your EXTERNAL life. Your ETERNAL life is a given, believe it or not, and you will eventually grow into it. LIFE goes on. It's a gift. Remember to thank your view of the Divine Spirit for it daily!