Thread: 5000 year old WILD technique. Very easy, and very effective.

Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

I'd like to ask some further questions too to Ajna and those who believe:

If the brain isnt where consciousness resides, what is it for?

The brain? As I said previously, I think its the mechanism that allows the mind to integrate with and experience the physical world through the body.

Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

Again, Why are only humans conscious to this extent if the brain complexity and size is irrelevant?

Of course its not irrelevant, all those complexities in the brain allow our consciousness to form a complex experience of reality as seen through the ego. You do know what the yogis view of consciousness is right? We are not talking about what they call the 'mental formations' here, as you are.

Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

Isn't it hightly convinient for US that we are the creatures that just so happen, in this vast and unfathomable universe, to be the center of attention? those in the waiting room for enlightenment? Isn't it a strange conceit to believe this?

Have you really understood the deeper meaning of the eastern teachings? My view is actually the opposite of this...

Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

If consciousness/the mind does not reside in the brain, then why do physical chemicals like LSD and DMT have such a profound experience on us?

This questions is best answered by Rick Strassman M.D. in his work DMT - The Spirit Molecule and Inner Paths to Outer Space. Your question almost answers itself. Both he and I believe DMT allows the disintegration of body and mind to occur at the biological level. This will obviously cause a profound effect when our conscious experience is no longer limited to the physical senses and our observer perspective of linear time and three dimesional space.

Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

Isn't all this grandeous spiritual way of thinking, just a way to avoid the blatantly obvious and slightly disturbing fact, that we are just animals, who evolved larger brains, large enough to ponder our own existence, living on a rock, in an uncertain wild universe. Not the central characters to the story, but just the result of a process of physical laws and billions of years?
Isn't that more humble and realisic to accept, rather than us being the central role in a universe designed around us, with cosmic energys just for us to tap into?? What about the dolphins? the apes? the fish? the dogs?

This is my personal problem, almost all human spirituality puts humans as the most important thing in the universe. It almost always tells us what we want to hear. It all seems based on our egos, and avoiding our fears. Our fears that there is no bigger plan, and that what we see is what we get.

Your question about animals first of all is very common and usually found in Q & A sections of buddhist texts. Animals are definitely not seen as lower life forms but instead, and just like all of us, are equal sentient beings who desire happiness. Your views are quite nihilistic and deny the fact that humans can have an experience devoid of their ego selves. I used to share your view until I discovered some ancient wisdom and concepts such as oneness and the collective unconsciousness as proposed by Carl G Jung.

Anyone who has had an out of body experience or used DMT are accutely aware that their previously held notions and views of the universe and the nature of reality are severely limited. You just cannot compete with the direct experiences when you have them, and nobody can taken these away from you.

Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

Reminds me of a carl sagan quote:
"For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." Carl Sagan

Thats exactly what I am trying to do. Its very ironic that we can both express our different views with the same quote. Most people in society cannot see beyond their satisfyingly reassuring delusion and experience the larger reality.

This debate is like trying to match a square peg in a round hole, your thinking involves a box which does not allow the room to fit these "grandious" concepts into it. And I am very suprised you have not mentioned Heisenburgs Uncertainty Principle, Eisteins Quatumn Entanglement, Dark Energy, The Higgs Field etc etc etc. These are scietific concepts which are now matching up with what some of the eastern traditions have been saying for thousands of years. These conclusions based on your much respected impiracle research, are what were able to prove the ancient wisdom for me intially and open my mind, and lead me from a science based perspective to the larger reality. Greg Bradens (who was Cisco's first systems engineer and used to have a 'sensible' view of the universe) book The Divine Matrix talks about everything I have been with the scientific evidence to back it up. If you really want some evidence get that book and Rick Strassmans books I mentioned earlier. When in a meditative state this all seems highly irrelevant also, all part of the drama.

As I said in my other post, we are not going to convince each other here, we would each need time to learn and experience new things for this information to digest properly. Lets agree to disagree and work on our own development.