Thread: 5000 year old WILD technique. Very easy, and very effective.

ChaybaChayba, that is exactly the meditation technique I use for WILD's! The Brow or Third Eye Chakra is energetically linked to the pineal gland as you know and the pineal gland is also responsible for producing natural DMT - the spirit molecule as well as melatonin, basically DMT is responsible for catalysing the separation of the mind from the body, be it for out of body experiences, when taking psychadelics (that contain DMT) and even at death or near death experiences. I wouldn't rule out it being released in very small amounts when dreaming too.

I also run an energy circuit between the Hara or Dan Tien (energy storage centre I think between the 1st and 2nd Chakras) and up to the Crown Chakra which results in my tounge going numb with vibrations like a car battery is stuck to it LOL (you should have it resting lightly on the roof of your mouth to help close the circuit) I also create an energetic bridge between the crown chakra and the brow. I also run energy through my hands and feet as they have minor energy exchange chakras located there.

After this my entire body is numb with energetic vibrations and I feel the energy body generating as the etheric arms and etheric body start moving independently from the physcial. This is where SP sets in I think, but I think my consciousness is more integrated with the energy body than the physical body at this point to feel typical SP symptoms. Then I just shake myself loose by rolling out of the body, or gyrating or floating upwards, or imagining climbing a rope with my arms etc etc. Then you have a WILD or OBE! I've only achieved this a handful of times though. Working on it more regularly after joining this forum! Its been great for motivation!

I've also entered dreams through meditation but more often than not (since I can't achieve a full lotus posture) my head drops forward and I wake myself up just as I'm immersing into the hypnogogic imagery... I think its better to maintain yourself in the altered state at the threshold of theta and sleep... at the threshold of the veil.

Originally Posted by Ajna

[...], basically DMT is responsible for catalysing the separation of the mind from the body, be it for out of body experiences, when taking psychadelics (that contain DMT) and even at death or near death experiences.

You do know that the existence of endogenous DMT in the brain, especially the PG is an unproven speculation by Strassmann? It's a hypothesis, there has been no evidence so far.

Originally Posted by Abra

Furthermore, the correlation between melatonin and dreams has yet to be proven; all we know is that it promotes sleep.

All we know is that melatonin promotes sleep.. and sleep doesn't promote dreams? LOL.

Originally Posted by gigaschatten

ChaybaChayba, here comes the 1,000 Dollar question: Have you actually managed to successfully apply that technique?

Lol. Ok I guess lot's of people post techniques without trying them out? Well, I'm not one of them. I don't see the point in sharing a technique if it doesn't work :p hand over the 1,000 dollars!

Originally Posted by gigaschatten

You do know that the existence of endogenous DMT in the brain, especially the PG is an unproven speculation by Strassmann? It's a hypothesis, there has been no evidence so far.

Indeed, that's just speculation. But it's based on the fact that the chemical parts of which DMT is synthesized are also located in the pineal gland. It's not just a baseless speculation. If you know an article that shows that DMT is not produced in the pineal gland, link me up, I'd like to read it.

Originally Posted by DreamChaser

So the pineal gland looks like it's our "Dream Clitoris".
Lets stimulate it!

LOL! Too bad we can't reach in their with our fingers...

I'm probablyi wrong, but I seem to remember reading that our pineal gland has evolved to almost nothingness. We don't have rods or cones anymore. In birds and reptiles, their gland is closer to the surface of their skull/skin, so they use the pineal gland for light detection and regulation of their circadian rhythm (hence the melatonin). Ours is still in charge of controlling the melatonin, but it no longer detects light/dark on its own.

And the myth of the pineal gland producing DMT is still far from proven. It is just a hypothesis with no evidence.

Well, I tried it for half an hour and nothing happened.

Originally Posted by gigaschatten

Well, I tried it for half an hour and nothing happened.

Try it again some time but not for the intention of validating it as true or false... just to do it and be... (also it takes time and effort to develop energetic sensations at first)

And I should clarify that yes alot of what we are talking about is largely "unproven" by western science. And some of the theories being spoken about are just that.

However our experiences as subjective and personal as they may be, do not need any scientist in a white coat to tell us they are actually happening...

Alot of this stuff doesn't fit in the neat little box most people like to live in, and western science likes to measure in...

But that's what makes all this so interesting and important

Originally Posted by Ajna

Try it again some time but not for the intention of validating it as true or false... just to do it and be... (also it takes time and effort to develop energetic sensations at first)

And I should clarify that yes alot of what we are talking about is largely "unproven" by western science. And some of the theories being spoken about are just that.

However our experiences as subjective and personal as they may be, do not need any scientist in a white coat to tell us they are actually happening...

Alot of this stuff doesn't fit in the neat little box most people like to live in, and western science likes to measure in...

But that's what makes all this so interesting and important

When and how exactly is it done? I did at day in a half-lotus zen meditation position.

Originally Posted by Robot_Butler

I'm probablyi wrong, but I seem to remember reading that our pineal gland has evolved to almost nothingness. We don't have rods or cones anymore. In birds and reptiles, their gland is closer to the surface of their skull/skin, so they use the pineal gland for light detection and regulation of their circadian rhythm (hence the melatonin). Ours is still in charge of controlling the melatonin, but it no longer detects light/dark on its own.

And the myth of the pineal gland producing DMT is still far from proven. It is just a hypothesis with no evidence.

It is thought if we could move the gland to the front of our skull (so it was like where we thing the 3rd eye is, for eg), we could detect light and sounds with it, so a blind or deaf person could use it.
Go figure.

Originally Posted by Ajna

I've also entered dreams through meditation but more often than not (since I can't achieve a full lotus posture) my head drops forward and I wake myself up just as I'm immersing into the hypnogogic imagery... I think its better to maintain yourself in the altered state at the threshold of theta and sleep... at the threshold of the veil.

I do something similar on a regular basis. Usually in the morning when I get up unless I have to go to work or something and also before I go to bed. What is weird when I do it though is I never get the hypnogogic imagery and I don't remember ever getting it even when I was a child. It is like I start to fade out and it is kinda like putting on an old television. The thing turns on, you start to hear voices and see the outlines of images and as the tubes warm up the images get brighter and clearer until finally they are a full blown dream. Generally I do it in Full Lotus posture, but i find corpse position (laying down) works just as well when that is not an option (like when I am camping and I don't feel like doing it in the mud or on the wet floor of the tent). Generally what I do is let the energy run up and down my spine for a bit and then decide what chakra to "stop" it at. I find that using different chakras creates different imagery (for example anahata (heart) or anja (pineal gland) often creates a projection of myself for me to walk through...kinda like a self psychoanalysis while activation of swadisthana (stomach) or muldahra (groin) often creates things of a shall we say "red hot" earthy nature .