Thread: 5000 year old WILD technique. Very easy, and very effective.

I recently got into meditation, and discovered that you could use it to WILD! I thought I might share it with you guys, because this technique is the easiest one and most effective one I have encountered. The meditation technique I use to WILD is the following:

I close my eyes, and place my attention only on the center of my forehead (between my eyebrows) and on my breath. That's it.

Why does it work? Because that is where the pineal gland, the third eye, the minds eye is located. By imagining sensations at that location, you directly stimulate it. The pineal gland is the gland that secretes melatonin, which is one of the hormones responsible for dreaming. You can increase stimulation the better you can concentrate on it and the better you can induce sensations or vibrations in that area. The better your imagination, the more focussed your mind, and the less you keep talking to yourself inside your head all the time, the better this technique works. The longer you use this technique, the faster you will get into a WILD. It's like a magic button you need to push to get into dreamland.

This is a 5000 year old tantra technique, as the story goes, one of the 112 meditations given by Shiva to his consort Parvati. Still works like a charm, and it's the easiest WILD technique out there IMO. This one directly induces dreaming by stimulating the gland that secretes the dreaming hormones. I also already managed to go into dreaming during meditation without laying down, all I need to do is close my eyes and concentrate for a while. The litteral translation of the tantra technique is the following:

"With intangible breath in center of forehead, as this reaches heart at the moment of sleep, have direction over dreams and over death itself."

Hope this helps!

Yes I have read things like this and I find it very interesting.
But what do you do to stimulate the spot?
Do you just visualise looking at it from a 3rd person view or something?

Yes, you can use whatever works for you. Like you can start of looking in a mirror and staring at that spot to locate it and get you started, that helped for me. Or you can place your finger there, to get a feel. Your imagination is all it needs tho, imagining a sensation there is what does the stimulation. It took me some time before I started feeling stuff there, but when I did, it felt great, like some kind of warm sensations, a pressure in the forehead. I visualize a bright white light in that spot, after a while that light turns into dreams or you can turn it back into a white light to continue the meditation.

Im guessing it's similar to stimulating the saliva glands by imagining yummy food in your mouth. Thats a more direct example of forcing a gland to secrete.

ChaybaChayba, that is exactly the meditation technique I use for WILD's! The Brow or Third Eye Chakra is energetically linked to the pineal gland as you know and the pineal gland is also responsible for producing natural DMT - the spirit molecule as well as melatonin, basically DMT is responsible for catalysing the separation of the mind from the body, be it for out of body experiences, when taking psychadelics (that contain DMT) and even at death or near death experiences. I wouldn't rule out it being released in very small amounts when dreaming too.

I also run an energy circuit between the Hara or Dan Tien (energy storage centre I think between the 1st and 2nd Chakras) and up to the Crown Chakra which results in my tounge going numb with vibrations like a car battery is stuck to it LOL (you should have it resting lightly on the roof of your mouth to help close the circuit) I also create an energetic bridge between the crown chakra and the brow. I also run energy through my hands and feet as they have minor energy exchange chakras located there.

After this my entire body is numb with energetic vibrations and I feel the energy body generating as the etheric arms and etheric body start moving independently from the physcial. This is where SP sets in I think, but I think my consciousness is more integrated with the energy body than the physical body at this point to feel typical SP symptoms. Then I just shake myself loose by rolling out of the body, or gyrating or floating upwards, or imagining climbing a rope with my arms etc etc. Then you have a WILD or OBE! I've only achieved this a handful of times though. Working on it more regularly after joining this forum! Its been great for motivation!

I've also entered dreams through meditation but more often than not (since I can't achieve a full lotus posture) my head drops forward and I wake myself up just as I'm immersing into the hypnogogic imagery... I think its better to maintain yourself in the altered state at the threshold of theta and sleep... at the threshold of the veil.

Originally Posted by Ajna

[...], basically DMT is responsible for catalysing the separation of the mind from the body, be it for out of body experiences, when taking psychadelics (that contain DMT) and even at death or near death experiences.

You do know that the existence of endogenous DMT in the brain, especially the PG is an unproven speculation by Strassmann? It's a hypothesis, there has been no evidence so far.

Originally Posted by Abra

Furthermore, the correlation between melatonin and dreams has yet to be proven; all we know is that it promotes sleep.

All we know is that melatonin promotes sleep.. and sleep doesn't promote dreams? LOL.

Originally Posted by gigaschatten

ChaybaChayba, here comes the 1,000 Dollar question: Have you actually managed to successfully apply that technique?

Lol. Ok I guess lot's of people post techniques without trying them out? Well, I'm not one of them. I don't see the point in sharing a technique if it doesn't work :p hand over the 1,000 dollars!

Originally Posted by gigaschatten

You do know that the existence of endogenous DMT in the brain, especially the PG is an unproven speculation by Strassmann? It's a hypothesis, there has been no evidence so far.

Indeed, that's just speculation. But it's based on the fact that the chemical parts of which DMT is synthesized are also located in the pineal gland. It's not just a baseless speculation. If you know an article that shows that DMT is not produced in the pineal gland, link me up, I'd like to read it.

Originally Posted by DreamChaser

So the pineal gland looks like it's our "Dream Clitoris".
Lets stimulate it!

LOL! Too bad we can't reach in their with our fingers...

Originally Posted by Ajna

I've also entered dreams through meditation but more often than not (since I can't achieve a full lotus posture) my head drops forward and I wake myself up just as I'm immersing into the hypnogogic imagery... I think its better to maintain yourself in the altered state at the threshold of theta and sleep... at the threshold of the veil.

I do something similar on a regular basis. Usually in the morning when I get up unless I have to go to work or something and also before I go to bed. What is weird when I do it though is I never get the hypnogogic imagery and I don't remember ever getting it even when I was a child. It is like I start to fade out and it is kinda like putting on an old television. The thing turns on, you start to hear voices and see the outlines of images and as the tubes warm up the images get brighter and clearer until finally they are a full blown dream. Generally I do it in Full Lotus posture, but i find corpse position (laying down) works just as well when that is not an option (like when I am camping and I don't feel like doing it in the mud or on the wet floor of the tent). Generally what I do is let the energy run up and down my spine for a bit and then decide what chakra to "stop" it at. I find that using different chakras creates different imagery (for example anahata (heart) or anja (pineal gland) often creates a projection of myself for me to walk through...kinda like a self psychoanalysis while activation of swadisthana (stomach) or muldahra (groin) often creates things of a shall we say "red hot" earthy nature .

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

Im guessing it's similar to stimulating the saliva glands by imagining yummy food in your mouth. Thats a more direct example of forcing a gland to secrete.

Yes thats a brilliant analogy. "Where attention goes energy flows" Visualising a point of white light which is expanding or swirling at a point about 1 cm above the brow between your eyes will eventually have you experiencing the sensations. As Chayba Chaybe said, you will feel pressure, warmth, tingling, pulsating, one or all of the above but if you stick at it you will notice it. And you will also notice the improvements in your dream recall, LD induction and you may even get some minds eye visions. Its cool stuff indeed

Very interesting reply Ajna, you seem to know a lot about this subject.. each post you write learns me something new

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

Very interesting reply Ajna, you seem to know a lot about this subject.. each post you write learns me something new

Yes, very cool.

Can I practice stimulating my pineal gland anytime during the day? Or just evenings and nights.

i check out the link the OP gave, and I have to same I am utterly confused.. what are we suppose to look at and read?

and yes, does this work?

Originally Posted by spiritofthewolf

i check out the link the OP gave, and I have to same I am utterly confused.. what are we suppose to look at and read?

and yes, does this work?

I second spiritofthewolf with that question?

Originally Posted by DreamChaser

Yes I have read things like this and I find it very interesting.
But what do you do to stimulate the spot?
Do you just visualise looking at it from a 3rd person view or something?

I would think breathing through your nose would just cause a little sensation right there and you could imagine whatever you want it to be and yeah go from there.
I'm gonna try this tonight =]

I don't know about any of you, but this works perfectly for me. I just got around to using this technique, but in less than 15 minutes I was vibrating and getting hypnagogic images. Thanks for sharing, ChaybaChayba!

Really? I seem to lose focus after the first few minutes

Originally Posted by DreamChaser

Yes I have read things like this and I find it very interesting.
But what do you do to stimulate the spot?
Do you just visualise looking at it from a 3rd person view or something?

some meditations have you wet the spot of your forehead to better focus your concentration on your third eye.
Sometimes, i use a small amethyst crystal that I place on my forehead as i go to sleep to keep my concentration there.

the energy properties of the amethyst crystals are related to the 6th and 7th chakras, which will help unclog and align these chakras. haha. ive never heard of actually placing the crystal directly on the forehead while going to sleep....thats kind of my own technique i guess. (usually, the crystal goes under the pillow)

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

I recently got into meditation, and discovered that you could use it to WILD! I thought I might share it with you guys, because this technique is the easiest one and most effective one I have encountered. The meditation technique I use to WILD is the following:

I close my eyes, and place my attention only on the center of my forehead (between my eyebrows) and on my breath. That's it.

Why does it work? Because that is where the pineal gland, the third eye, the minds eye is located. By imagining sensations at that location, you directly stimulate it. The pineal gland is the gland that secretes melatonin, which is one of the hormones responsible for dreaming.

Melatonin taken before bed puts you into a deep non rem sleep. Dream vividness comes from rem rebound in the morning.

Not sure how melatonin can help a WILD attempt.

Dreams only occuring in rem-state is nothing but an urban legend.

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

Dreams only occuring in rem-state is nothing but an urban legend.

My understanding of N-rem dreams is that they are more thoughts than false realities. Like when feel you've spent the whole night lost on thought about some problem at work. You've not really been awake, but you've spent a good chunk of it in vivid N-rem.

Again though, as melatonin helps you fall into a nice deep sleep, REM or not, I'm not sure how it can help WILD.

Yeah, non-rem dreams are believed to be less vivid, but they are still dreams with imagery. And I'm also not sure how deep sleep can help you to dream. It's a mystery to me too! Who would've thought deep sleep would help you to dream.. amazing isn't it?

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

Dreams only occuring in rem-state is nothing but an urban legend.

ahhh! Yes thank you finally someone who thinks this like I do. XD I believe dreams just happen when your spirit is out of your body, and then dreams are translated by the subconscious/unconscious mind in split-seconds as you are awakening back into your physical body.

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

I recently got into meditation, and discovered that you could use it to WILD! I thought I might share it with you guys, because this technique is the easiest one and most effective one I have encountered. The meditation technique I use to WILD is the following:

I close my eyes, and place my attention only on the center of my forehead (between my eyebrows) and on my breath. That's it.

Why does it work? Because that is where the pineal gland, the third eye, the minds eye is located.

Technically your pineal gland is located in the center of your head or around that area, not in your forehead

Whenever i managed to Lucid dream after wake back to bed. I try to look into the center of my mind. Then lucid dreams start to appear.

So yes this does work. But you should try to look into the center of your mind, put your focus there, not at the center of your forehead.

Yeah indeed good point, the center of your mind is more accurate, but It's easier to locate the center of your forehead instead of the center of your mind IMO. Concentrating on the center of your forehead, between the eyebrows, will also activate the center of your mind. It's the same thing.

Ok........ so does this work ......REALLY VAU