Thread: What's more amazing?

some say lucid dreams and OBE's are 'spiritual journeys' to other realms of existence where you can access you past life records, talk to other dreamers or astral beings, or learn from your very own spirit guide.

Others say its all in your head. . .

I ask, whats more amazing? The fact that you are traversing different universes of existance. . .or the fact that these unimaginably vast, detailed, spiritually significant episodes are created right inside your own brain.
so lets get philosophical and spiritual all at once and think about this little quandary a bit.

This should probably be in beyond dreaming or elsewhere, however:
I'd say it would be far more amazing if OBE's and astral projection were real (and I don't think I need to be clear on 'real' here). The mind is capable of a lot of things, even affecting one physically so things like dreaming don't 'amaze' me, and that is all I believe such phenomena are.

I think it's all in the mind too. My experiences however haven't been as "vivid" as so many describe.

I'd say what's amazing is that what this shows is that there is no limit to how far the mind can go..."in your head" or otherwise, it's all a result of the mind at work.

The fact that you are traversing different universes of existance. . .or the fact that these unimaginably vast, detailed, spiritually significant episodes are created right inside your own brain.

If the end result is the same, how much does it matter "the source"?

the source should matter.
religion was created because human beings needed "a source," a light at the end of the tunnel of sorts.
without a source to base life and experiences on, everything is absolutely pointless.
Its a bit frightening to think that our conscience, thoughts, ideologies, spirituality, dreams (lucid or not), and everything else is just pointless.
From a strictly scientific viewpoint, I could say that we [as human beings] are the way we are solely due to the millions of years of natural selection; that we have evolved off of the common goal that every organism has: to stay alive.
If we are just organisms, then our goal as organisms is to just stay alive, everything else was lost to evolutionary changes. . . sooooo, why are dreams still here?