Sharing Dreams? Possibility?

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Originally Posted by Soldier

it makes me think your crazy. The least thing you can do is have a shared dream and bring prove but alas you cant, no one can. you believe what you want to believe at least thats what it looks like, shared dreaming would be a great thing, amazing but you can put it up there with elfs and dragons because it cant happen.



no i believe im sitting on my computer chair not in your dream. your posted a reply because you pressed the"submit Reply" button. reading someones thoughts? amazing hook your self up with the army and you'll be rich in no time. you can think your reading/hearing someones thoughts its not hard to hear things in a dream, i've had worse happen.


this really pisses me off, you are just like all the other people who come up to me and say "O your a twin! can you read each other's mind?!" I wish i could slap all the *&^@*! who even think that! Im a identical twin and believe it or not my bro was standing next to me a minute ago reading this post and he said "idoits" and walked off. of course twins cant telepathy talk to each other thats sci-fi and all that shit. Im probaly the only one here in this thread thats a twin and if there was someone else they'd agree with me.


nothing agianst Placebo but i doubt he has any prove that was real and maybe placebo and his wife are so close to each other they had a simliar dream, not spiritual like all of you or saying but as in what you take in during the day if placebo and his wife went to the same places and of course im sure they live in the same house may very well affect how they dream. if i go to the mountians i some times dream about the mountians. if 2 people go to the mountains then they may both dream about the mountains. you see what im saying? speculations shouldn't be shot down with a cannon for what your claiming. people can have a dream with the same landscape and same poeple but never a shared dream.

of course some times argueing with people on a topic can be like arguing with christians, you can wave prove in there face and they will still deny it. they have faith that it is real and quite strong faith for that matter. you can be like christians and have faith but the same goes for shared dreaming you can only have faith, of course you could bring prove that it is true and ill eat my hat but claiming you had a shared dream isnt prove.

It is things like shared dreams that make lucid dreaming seem new ageish.

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If somebody proved that you could, would you believe that you could have a shared dream?

I said MOST twins share the same wavelink. I happen to know a pair of twins that do. I don't know if they ever Dream Shared though.

I believe in shared dreams; I have experienced one before (although, it may have been a co-incidence, I suppose). It happened on the same night, at about the same time (past midnight, before 4:00am) with my mother (whom I know very well). Sometimes we know what each other thinks and/or complete each other's sentences.

Anyways, in that dream, it started off different for each of us. Then, they sort of came together and for a while they were in the same setting. Then we "saw" each other (looked each other in the eye) in the dream. And then it went our separate ways again.

I swear, it was freaky... Nothing like that had ever happened to me before (nothing has happened to me since).

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Originally Posted by Robot_Butler

This is exactly how I define a shared dream. Dreams all happen in your mind, and are completely separated from your waking reality. Dreams are one of the few situations where perception really is everything. If two people have dreams that share similar content, they have shared a dream. You can not discount a shared dream just because you can explain why it happened.

If you are looking for some supernatural explanation for shared dreaming, I doubt you will find it. If you are really looking for shared dreams, you need to look within the bounds of reality. Look for ways you can share dreams. Look for two people who share in waking life, and they will often share in dream life also.

You can not discount a fantastic experience just because it has a practical explanation.

Lets look to metaphors for a minute:
I recently wrote an article on sea monsters. Here is the skinny of it. Sea monsters are real. There are monsters in the sea. There are all kinds of horrifying murderous creatures living in the sea. Just because we have names for them - shark - giant squid - sperm whale - pelican eel, does not mean they cease being monsters.

Sea monsters are real. The vikings believed in the Kraken. The kraken was a giant ocopus. Giant octopus are real. The kraken was also a phenomenon that happened in the sea. When volcanic activity occurred in the open ocean, fish would flee the area, and make for awesome fishing. Put the two together, and you have a human reality made of facts, experiences, and beliefs. You have the kraken.

When people believe something, and they believe it for a reason, it is real.

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If two people have dreams that share similar content, they have shared a dream.

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i believe a shared dream is were 2 people are in the same dream and can talk to each other. your are saying 2 seperate dreams that happen to have the same content but the 2 people cant talk to each other they're talkin to a DC.
so if thats what you are saying than by all means your idea of shared dreaming is true but i think (could be wrong) that everyone elses is talkin about 2 people being in 1 dream.

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Posted by phonix

If somebody proved that you could, would you believe that you could have a shared dream?

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of course but you do understand thats impossible. i dont believe in dragons that breath fire but if you brought me a dragon by all means I'd believe. but i highly doubt you have a dragon, do you see what im saying?

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POsted by Mini Man56
I said MOST twins share the same wavelink. I happen to know a pair of twins that do. I don't know if they ever Dream Shared though.

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and you would confirm this how? its amazing how people fall for this stuff, to me its like oooo its a twin! they must share the same wavelink!! :bslap: to people who think that. the only reason i care about people thinking this is because im a twin and people with the same idea like you come up and say "you can understand each others minds right?" this is something I know about more than you because im the twin who has to recieve all this bullshit.
its all sci-fi for you people.

Well, we can safely say we all agree thats a its a theory then, because some people say yes they've done it and some people say it can't be done, so it can't be proved nor disproved.

yes it can be disproved, its impossible for telepathy to be real its sci-fi and you can end it there. if there was prove there'd be prove but i'd really like to see some. even Transhumanists dont have a solid prove thats it real.

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Originally Posted by Soldier

i believe a shared dream is were 2 people are in the same dream and can talk to each other. your are saying 2 seperate dreams that happen to have the same content but the 2 people cant talk to each other they're talkin to a DC.
so if thats what you are saying than by all means your idea of shared dreaming is true but i think (could be wrong) that everyone elses is talkin about 2 people being in 1 dream.


of course but you do understand thats impossible. i dont believe in dragons that breath fire but if you brought me a dragon by all means I'd believe. but i highly doubt you have a dragon, do you see what im saying?


and you would confirm this how? its amazing how people fall for this stuff, to me its like oooo its a twin! they must share the same wavelink!! :bslap: to people who think that. the only reason i care about people thinking this is because im a twin and people with the same idea like you come up and say "you can understand each others minds right?" this is something I know about more than you because im the twin who has to recieve all this bullshit.
its all sci-fi for you people.

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The world doesn't revolve around you, ya know. It like someone saying,"I can't swim, so swimming is impossible."

I can see how it might be annoying, but the reason ppl ask is because in SOME CASES it's true.

It doesn't even have to be twins, it's just a LOT more likely.

And if you think you can disprove it, go ahead. Just saying it's impossible is like me saying it IS possible. I mean, if you disproved it, I'd believe you.

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Posted by Mini Man56

The world doesn't revolve around you, ya know. It like someone saying,"I can't swim, so swimming is impossible."

I can see how it might be annoying, but the reason ppl ask is because in SOME CASES it's true.

It doesn't even have to be twins, it's just a LOT more likely.

And if you think you can disprove it, go ahead. Just saying it's impossible is like me saying it IS possible. I mean, if you disproved it, I'd believe you.

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The world doesn't revolve around you, ya know

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really? I didnt know:roll: you should know im only riduculing you about the twin thing is because I recieve shit like that from people like you all the time. but ok ill try and bring you prove.I'll take the challenge.

edit: by the way mini man if im bringing you prove, you need to do the same.

A lucid dreamer posted up a video and halfway through it he told of wat happened to his mate that gives me hope that this is true I'll find you the vid of I can. He also added that this could hopefully "shut all you guys don't believe it up"

Good day.

I can't say I believe in OBE's or the dream-plane, and in fact I don't have any idea how it would be possible to have shared dreams. But you never know what can be descovered. As for the twin thing, that sounds sorta crazy, (even the fact of people sending out "wave lengths" is crazy to me.) I have been taking psycology recently and haven't heard anything about that.

Mostly I can state it is a theory, something I would love greatly to test. (Sadly since I hardly ever have lucid dreams it would be extremely difficult if not impossible)

I guess my idea of a shared dream was not that each person are in the "same dream" but more that they have similar "dream events" with the possibilty of one person effecting the other's.

As a side note to Soldier, can we avoid the Christian bashing? (or any religion bashing for that matter) for some may find it offensive (including myself) and I don't want this topic to turn into a flame war about their religions.
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Well, more of an observation and curious idea than a theory.
I was thinking about it today, scientists have descovered (and created) a way for a specialy designed helmet to read your thoughts and translate them into commands for the computer to read. (Suposedly a public version was to be relased this year, seen nothing yet) They had examples of other objects being contolled by the helmet reading the thoughts of the wearer, then sending a wireless signal to the object to control it.

Now just a curious idea I had was, what if in the not-so-far-away-future they created something that could insert information into your brain? (Images, sounds, tastes, etc.)

If dream sharing is truly impossible, perhaps science can take us the rest of the way in a matter of a few years?

Well i've been reading this book called sould flight by Donald Tyson , and he says that "we are all connected by one universal mind" and if thats true then i wouldn't dobut that dream sharing doesn't exist.

I had never thought about dream sharing until a few nights ago when it seemed as though I stumbled into a little kid's nightmare (by accident, as I certainly wasn't focusing on doing anything of the sort) - I spoke to the boy and have very vivid details about the whole event. It just happened to catch my attention because it was so out of the ordinary for me - I would claim that I am an above average lucid dreamer (I am quite lazy), and this caught me off guard. now, I am not claiming that this is concrete proof, certainly not - I have no idea - I just thought that i would share this very brief story (i would prefer not to divulge any more specific details).

A side note to -InsaneKid- sorry that was offensive ill take it off.

heres some intell on telepathy

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Originally by wikipedia
Parapsychologists and skeptics agree that many of the instances of more popular psychic phenomena, such as mediumism, can be attributed to non-paranormal techniques such as cold reading.[13][14][15] Magicians such as Ian Rowland and Derren Brown have demonstrated techniques and results similar to those of popular psychics, but they proffer psychological explanations instead of paranormal ones. They have identified, described, and developed complex psychological techniques of cold reading and hot reading.

A technique which shows statistically significant evidence of telepathy on every occasion has yet to be discovered. This lack of reliable reproducibility has led skeptics to argue that there is no credible scientific evidence for the existence of telepathy at all.[16] Skeptics also point to historical cases in which were discovered flaws in experimental design and occasional cases of fraud

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as far as telepathy its fake, no one so far has brought any real prove that its real and for sure not in twins. I dont see how you can dream share without telepathy and right now thats not to real.

I've gone to another dream, not my own, and entered and watched like a movie but I never interected with any of the DC's I'm fairly sure that if I'd been seen by the dreamer he'd have been about to see me in his dream.

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Originally Posted by Soldier

A side note to -InsaneKid- sorry that was offensive ill take it off.

heres some intell on telepathy


as far as telepathy its fake, no one so far has brought any real prove that its real and for sure not in twins. I dont see how you can dream share without telepathy and right now thats not to real.

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The fact that it isn't proven doesn't disprove it.

Truthfully, our argument is going nowhere fast, so let's just forget about it.

@Soldier, Thanks for the removal. :)
I see what you mean with telepathy. That WOULD be the only way to communicate durring dreams. (unless you had OBE's etc, but I don't believe in that)

@NoOneInSpecific
I don't think I will be giving up on this quite yet, however, not only could there be some undescovered way to do this, but it doesn't hurt to try.

Perhaps it could be possible to "invent" a way using psycological methods ahead of time, and setting their brain in a specific state, but I suppose that wouldn't really be "dream sharing".

I suppose though, until something better come along, I will have to rely on technology. Though preferribly some other method.

@Junta700 Sounds like an interesting book. However, has the author brought up any solid evedance?

@ Soldier,
I know what you mean with the whole twin thing. I happen to be a twin too and get the same question repeatedly. I have even faked it before too <.< >.>

You need to loosen up though. I can understand why you are so uptight about it, but there is nothing we can do but calmly correct people and move on. It certainly gets old but that is just the way things are.

Concerning the topic: I would definitely like to believe it is possible. I would not discount it, but I certainly wouldn't say it is real either. If it is real, it is probably very rare at best, so it is unlikely to be used by lucid dreamers. Who knows, maybe there is a way to attain a shared dream whenever you want. I doubt it though...

Something that is a bit different but interests me is astral projection.

It would be lovely to enter someone elses dreams.

Hey
I agree with some of the quantum/theoretical physics view about dreams. most of the up-and-coming theories about physics and the universe point to infinitie parallel universes that exist in an absurdly small 11th dimension... (Google M-Theory)
But yea I believe that in our dreams, our minds/astral bodies are able to float between parallel universes, which are infinite. Finding someone in an infinite amount of space like this, while not understanding how to navigate it is ridiculously unlikely but entirely possible!

Its our job to share with eachother our ideas on how to navigate the dreamworld, this is the science of the future! The biggest untapped and underresearched realm in science! This dreamworld is there... its complexity and significance are undeniable. We are the pioneers!

I think maybe it's helpful to remember that we're talking about dreams here and not waking. If we do in fact occasionally share a dream-reality in the same way we share waking-reality, the two experiences aren't necessarily going to look like the same.

When I meet a friend while we're both awake, I have an awareness of who he is, what he looks like, his range of likely actions and behaviours. More importantly, I have an awareness of who I am, what I look like, etc. etc. etc. Now, imagine (for the sake of argument) I were to meet the same friend while we were both dreaming. Who he is, what he looks like, his range of likely (and more importantly, possible) actions/behaviours; all of this isn't necessarily going to sync perfectly -- or even at all -- with what I know of this friend in my waking life. The same would be true of me from his perspective. Because we would both be interpreting the dream from our individual perspectives, neither of us would necessarily attach the correct identity to the other. "Of course I didn't meet Tom and Danielle in a dream: I met Kramer and Captain Crunch."

Personally, I'm of the opinion that shared dreams probably do occur: this past couple of years doing Dream Work has made me realize that the distinction between 'Reality' and 'Dream' is pretty tenuous. But, that being said, I'd say the likelihood of recognizing a dream as being shared with a particular person X is pretty low, due to the simple fact that it is a dream and completely open to interpretation.

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are we not sharing a dream already, how am i posting a reply to you?

so what the original poster is asking is, can we share a dream within a dream with someone else, which is why it seems impossible i guess, i think its very possible, just much more subtle skill

this may be a little different from shared dreaming, but i have had a few cases where someone else's thoughts were shown to me inside my dream, whether we were sharing a dream im not sure, but i am sure that the person conveyed their thoughts into my dream, so this is a little similar
no i believe im sitting on my computer chair not in your dream. your posted a reply because you pressed the"submit Reply" button. reading someones thoughts? amazing hook your self up with the army and you'll be rich in no time. you can think your reading/hearing someones thoughts its not hard to hear things in a dream, i've had worse happen.

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i believe a shared dream is were 2 people are in the same dream and can talk to each other.

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please tell me the difference between you and me talking now, and... you and me talking in a "dream", :? telepathy is something like transmitting waves through space and picking it up.... but sound vibration is also a wave, it is activated and controlled with the mind, and another mind has a receptor for these invisible waves that translate the information to something they understand, are you so used to swimming in water you forgot it was there?

whats also evident is that all this stuff on dreamviews is a recent explosion or re-explosion =], we are clearly still developing and development does begin and end as far as your narrow mind goes, you can only develope as far as your mind will allow, so now your depending on other people to bring you light.... not only that but those who are trying to find the light and bring it to people like you, are been hampered by people like you lol

Well, you know they say that the human brain is the most advanced computer of all... organic, yes, but most efficient. Right next to me I have a cell phone. It's state of the art electronics, and it helps me connect wirelessly to people everyday using electric pulses. It's not nearly as advanced as the human brain... which also operates by electric pulses...

As for experiences with this, I have one. Without going into detail, I shall just say that once I had a dream where I met up with someone I knew in real life. In waking life we were just acquaintances and nothing more. In the dream I slept with my friend. The next day (back in the waking world) I told myself that there was nothing to feel weird about - it was just a dream, right? Then out of the blue, this friend came up to me and made a reference asking if it "was really, really good"? I had told no one about the dream. So, how did he know?

maybe you should of asked him :D

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Originally Posted by Keiju

maybe you should of asked him :D

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Maybe I could have if I hadn't been standing there with my eyes bugged out and my mouth open... oh yeah, and him laughing at me... I can only assume because my reaction had given myself away. I shook my head to say "no, there's no way you can know that." But he just laughed and walked off as if to say, "you poor, uninformed LDer..."
There were a few people in our circle who claimed to be lucid dreamers, but I never had any confirmation from any of them that they had really done it. Who knows, maybe this guy was some kind of 'master'...

I never did ask him about the dream though. I accepted that that was his little way of letting me know that he knew. But I always kinda thought that it wasn't polite to bust someone out in the waking world for whatever happened in dreamworld!

lol so utterly polite and cute :D

only if there were more like you