Thread: Fear of death...GONE!!!!!

I used to be afraid of death. But now its like "fuck it". If i die and nothing happens i'll never know, but if im goin to the astral realms, good. Death is better then life.

It's kind of a disturbing thought to know that you're gonna die and then think that nothing happens after that. I'd rather go with the second.

Death is the unknown. Truely death should be about as scary for us as tomorrow is, because we don't know whats gonna happen, and the only time we will know is when it does. Tomorrow sounds more comforting to most because we can imagine it easier, even though we truely don't know what will happen. Death can seem more scary because it's the farthest point we can quite comfortably imagine. But I don't fear death. I'm much more sacred of the days leading to it.

Originally posted by wer
I used to be afraid of death. But now its like \"fuck it\". If i die and nothing happens i'll never know, but if im goin to the astral realms, good. Death is better then life.

Now you sound like garey busey lol

lol

hey im not afraid of death either. up to date i've had 5 death dreams, 1 where i actually expirienced going throught "the tunnel" and ending up and a chaotic afterlife where everyone gets dumped off at and can do whatever they want. can you imagine that, a huge shared wish-fulfilment afterlife? of course i believe in more than one afterlife. so im in my afterlife house and suddenly the downstairs door opens 7 little kids on rollerblades go ridding by. im like what the f329k. and the others had to do with death. but that one, i actually breathed out my last breath and everything. not fascinated with death, but interested, and wer i agree with you because this next life will be all wish-fulfilment or some other insane place.

Originally Posted by wer

I used to be afraid of death. But now its like "fuck it". If i die and nothing happens i'll never know, but if im goin to the astral realms, good. Death is better then life.

Consciousness is generated by electrical impulses. When you die, those cease. Boom, disproved the afterlife.

Originally Posted by EzioAuditore

Consciousness is generated by electrical impulses. When you die, those cease. Boom, disproved the afterlife.

Then go ahead now, disprove the soul and spirit.

Originally Posted by OneUpBoy71

Then go ahead now, disprove the soul and spirit.

There's no scientific evidence of them, and even if they exist, you won't need to know about them, because you can't do anything in them anyway; you can't talk to anyone, because vocal chords only exist in the physical body. Look around? Nope. Those squishy balls of cornea and skin tissue are in the ground, rotting. Hear? Your "Eardrum" picks up vibrations from the environment and your brain turns it into something usable. That also rots like a jam donut. Smell? Smell is generated by small particles of something entering the nose through a suction; inhaling. Does your spirit have a diaphragm to inhale? Chances are, not. And finally, one of the most important senses; touch. Nerve endings transmit different kinds of information; Softness, pain, and in general, touch. These turn into electrical impulses, get handed off through synapses, go through the spinal chord, up to your brain stem, and the feel is deciphered; Softness? Pain? Touch? Depending on what it is, an involuntary movement can be triggered. If it's pain, usually at a high level, then you'd jerk away.

Even if there is a spirit, you won't need to worry about it, because you can't do anything as a spirit anyway; it'd just be remnants of the once optimistic and hopeful vessel that met an end, due to the process of human senescence [old age] breaking down the body, forever floating beyond anyone's range of five senses.

Is there a necro record? If so, it may have just been broken...

Originally Posted by Sageous

Is there a necro record? If so, it may have just been broken...

This is quite an old one but I believe this is the oldest I've seen so far: http://www.dreamviews.com/general-lu...ice-skill.html

CRAP!

3 more weeks and he'd have made 10 years

Strangely appropriate though, necro-ing an afterlife thread..

I'm half tempted to just start moving these to SB instead of locking them. They're just too awesome.

Yea, I've gone through this. Not a afraid of death anymore at all after all what happened to me in my dreams. I only care about my family and people I love. Going to live as long as possible

Fear is damped(is that a correct word ?) as well.

Well that's definitely one way to look at it, can't say I'd see it so limited like that for no reason but if you die and things really are like that nothing is going to be anything enough to give a shit, so it's weird to just assume as a spirit or something else, you don't continue in existence in some way. Ever used dissociatives? That's pretty much experiencing what it's like not to be. Honestly with the possible truth of it being so grim there doesn't seem much reason to me to just see it that way and then use that attitude to justify my misguided actions on this world. Indeed, they are misguided. I digress. I am a major pessimist because I pretty much can't shake it, I'm fairly certain I am bipolar like my uncle but I don't seek proper treatment for it. If I see your view on things as highly negative, you might wanna take a step back if you want to have any chance of a pleasant life. Maybe you are happy, fuck it I don't know, but your view on death certainly doesn't suggest so.

Originally Posted by snoop

Well that's definitely one way to look at it, can't say I'd see it so limited like that for no reason but if you die and things really are like that nothing is going to be anything enough to give a shit, so it's weird to just assume as a spirit or something else, you don't continue in existence in some way. Ever used dissociatives? That's pretty much experiencing what it's like not to be. Honestly with the possible truth of it being so grim there doesn't seem much reason to me to just see it that way and then use that attitude to justify my misguided actions on this world. Indeed, they are misguided. I digress. I am a major pessimist because I pretty much can't shake it, I'm fairly certain I am bipolar like my uncle but I don't seek proper treatment for it. If I see your view on things as highly negative, you might wanna take a step back if you want to have any chance of a pleasant life. Maybe you are happy, fuck it I don't know, but your view on death certainly doesn't suggest so.

This is what I just read at the last part: "Well, since you don't care what happens when you die, you must have a dark view on life."

The thought of nothingness doesn't frighten me or turn me pessimistic. I'd say I'm a very optimistic person, because I like to hope that things will go well in the confines of my mortal days. The reason nothingness doesn't scare me is this; Were you afraid/bored before you were born? Do you remember anything about your pre-birth life? Were you floating in purgatory? You don't remember? Did you care? Did you ponder about what your life will be like? No?
Let's assume you're religious. You believe in the omnipotent ruler, or that we're all rulers of our own fate, doesn't matter. Did you see anything before birth? Did you see God's smile as he finished painting you with his "Holy Brush of Hades" and saying "I see success in this young one"? No? Then it'll be like that after death. You won't care about what happens after death, and you can still be optimistic in this sense, because you're seeing goodness within your life; The life here, the life that drove you to be optimistic.

Originally Posted by EzioAuditore

This is what I just read at the last part: "Well, since you don't care what happens when you die, you must have a dark view on life."

The thought of nothingness doesn't frighten me or turn me pessimistic. I'd say I'm a very optimistic person, because I like to hope that things will go well in the confines of my mortal days. The reason nothingness doesn't scare me is this; Were you afraid/bored before you were born? Do you remember anything about your pre-birth life? Were you floating in purgatory? You don't remember? Did you care? Did you ponder about what your life will be like? No?
Let's assume you're religious. You believe in the omnipotent ruler, or that we're all rulers of our own fate, doesn't matter. Did you see anything before birth? Did you see God's smile as he finished painting you with his "Holy Brush of Hades" and saying "I see success in this young one"? No? Then it'll be like that after death. You won't care about what happens after death, and you can still be optimistic in this sense, because you're seeing goodness within your life; The life here, the life that drove you to be optimistic.

I understand you, you are right. But, don't you think there are exclusions? If we explore the world we are leaving to while we are alive, perhaps through dreams, we then can be able to remember our past next time? There are many different theories of what is next. We could move to some new world, we could re-birth in another body on same planet, we could re-birth in another parallel world that is similar to ours, we could stay here in this world but in different dimension or we could simply die and everything that was with us will die with us. Each is possible and to each there might be its own approach if we are willing to remember our past, well except for the last one

While we are alive, don't you find it interesting to explore what is out there after this life?

As for me, I am very interested and I am looking forward to learn more.

A small interruption... I've heard the following bit of wisdom several times recently:

Originally Posted by EzioAuditore

...Were you afraid/bored before you were born? Do you remember anything about your pre-birth life? Were you floating in purgatory? You don't remember? Did you care? Did you ponder about what your life will be like? No?

What does that even mean? That, because we did not exist before we existed, then we will not exist after we exist? That because we once (necessarily) did not care about existence, or rather non-existence, that we need not care about it now? That, when we did not exist, we didn't think about coming life, so now that we do exist, we should not ponder our death? That, because we didn't exist once, we are not permitted to exist again? Or maybe that because it at some point did not exist, our living consciousness is incapable of building something that might survive the death of its corporeal creator and vehicle? Or perhaps that because we once didn't exist, the nature of our current existence is irrelevant, no matter what we think? Or does it mean something else altogether?

I don't know; I have a feeling it means nothing at all. It just sounds cool, like something a stoned college student would say at 3am, to the astonishment of his equally stoned buddies. Thinking that we did not exist before we were born and then attaching the obvious fact that, since we didn't exist, we could not care about that non-existence, seems absurd to me, and does nothing to sway or temper a current concern about death.

Why should the fact that we didn't know or fear anything before we were born hold any sway at all about what we're thinking about now that we are born, have an identity, and perhaps might wonder bout what happens to us after death? It might sound pretty, or even logical, but it really means nothing.

Also, let's say there is something after death, some form of survival of consciousness. Why would that survival be negated because we once did not exist?

Originally Posted by Sageous

A small interruption... I've heard the following bit of wisdom several times recently:



What does that even mean? That, because we did not exist before we existed, then we will not exist after we exist? That because we once (necessarily) did not care about existence, or rather non-existence, that we need not care about it now? That, when we did not exist, we didn't think about coming life, so now that we do exist, we should not ponder our death? That, because we didn't exist once, we are not permitted to exist again? Or maybe that because it at some point did not exist, our living consciousness is incapable of building something that might survive the death of its corporeal creator and vehicle? Or perhaps that because we once didn't exist, the nature of our current existence is irrelevant, no matter what we think? Or does it mean something else altogether?

I don't know; I have a feeling it means nothing at all. It just sounds cool, like something a stoned college student would say at 3am, to the astonishment of his equally stoned buddies. Thinking that we did not exist before we were born and then attaching the obvious fact that, since we didn't exist, we could not care about that non-existence, seems absurd to me, and does nothing to sway or temper a current concern about death.

Why should the fact that we didn't know or fear anything before we were born hold any sway at all about what we're thinking about now that we are born, have an identity, and perhaps might wonder bout what happens to us after death? It might sound pretty, or even logical, but it really means nothing.

Also, let's say there is something after death, some form of survival of consciousness. Why would that survival be negated because we once did not exist?

So you believe our consciousness goes on forever? Our consciousness generated by our brain? The brain that rots out? I know what you mean, though, but let's alter your theory in consensus to make sense.

Your memories go on in spirit form and go on forever. You aren't aware about your informal spirit, but when a new baby comes along, that spirit is in the birthed baby. You start a new life, but you don't remember anything from before. That's where De Ja Vu comes into play. "I strangely remember doing this..." because the ancestor did it.

I still choose to believe nonexistence, but I fixed your theory.

Originally Posted by Sageous

A small interruption... I've heard the following bit of wisdom several times recently:



What does that even mean? That, because we did not exist before we existed, then we will not exist after we exist? That because we once (necessarily) did not care about existence, or rather non-existence, that we need not care about it now? That, when we did not exist, we didn't think about coming life, so now that we do exist, we should not ponder our death? That, because we didn't exist once, we are not permitted to exist again? Or maybe that because it at some point did not exist, our living consciousness is incapable of building something that might survive the death of its corporeal creator and vehicle? Or perhaps that because we once didn't exist, the nature of our current existence is irrelevant, no matter what we think? Or does it mean something else altogether?

I don't know; I have a feeling it means nothing at all. It just sounds cool, like something a stoned college student would say at 3am, to the astonishment of his equally stoned buddies. Thinking that we did not exist before we were born and then attaching the obvious fact that, since we didn't exist, we could not care about that non-existence, seems absurd to me, and does nothing to sway or temper a current concern about death.

Why should the fact that we didn't know or fear anything before we were born hold any sway at all about what we're thinking about now that we are born, have an identity, and perhaps might wonder bout what happens to us after death? It might sound pretty, or even logical, but it really means nothing.

Also, let's say there is something after death, some form of survival of consciousness. Why would that survival be negated because we once did not exist?

This would make sense, but our consciousness is purely brain functions, or what a lot of people would label as neurons. We sense a self, but it is our brain and self awareness, and when we die, our brains die, and we lose that. Our brain is not a vehicle to self, it IS self! At least this is what I think.

So I stand with the concept of the bundle ego

Originally Posted by OneUpBoy71 View Post
So then clearly you've never heard of exorcisms, hauntings, or anything along the subject? Oh wait, I guess millions of people are lying about their experiences that have terrorized them just for the fun of it. Great thinking pal, good to know you are calling many people liars who have been traumatized by events like those. They dont make up stories for the fun of it buddy, 90 percent of them dont even want anything, they just tell their stories. Now I am saying that no one lies? Of course not, if you can profit from something, you can bet people will do their best to do it. But that by no means are all of the other millions of people lying. That would be pointless. You are among the few, that even though millions of people have had supernatural, or haunted encounters, you still decide that its a joke. Being blind, or simply just denying the fact of such things is just ignorance. But hey, Im not meaning to start anything man, believe what you want.

They aren't lying, they just misinterpret.
Our perception works largely through associations. When people believe in ghosts, they tend to 'know' that a ghost came, instead of using another rational explanation. Ghosts are higher up their schemas list.
As for cases were these people encounter supernatural beings directly, we can explain it by a lot of things, like:
_Halosinations
_OBE (LD version lol)
_Drugs(?)

Also, if supernatural encounters happened in our 'plane' it means these ghosts, or whatever, have turned into physical beings(at least temporarily). So never have they left any trace? Not even some kind of new element we have never discovered?

I'm sorry but supernatural doesn't exist not just because it most likely was ancient stories, but also because there are a lot of evidence showing that encounters never happened.

Originally Posted by LouaiB

They aren't lying, they just misinterpret.
Our perception works largely through associations. When people believe in ghosts, they tend to 'know' that a ghost came, instead of using another rational explanation. Ghosts are higher up their schemas list.
As for cases were these people encounter supernatural beings directly, we can explain it by a lot of things, like:
_Halosinations
_OBE (LD version lol)
_Drugs(?)

Also, if supernatural encounters happened in our 'plane' it means these ghosts, or whatever, have turned into physical beings(at least temporarily). So never have they left any trace? Not even some kind of new element we have never discovered?

I'm sorry but supernatural doesn't exist not just because it most likely was ancient stories, but also because there are a lot of evidence showing that encounters never happened.

So you are still calling millions of people liars? That's a bit irrational-especially since a huge percentage of those who have had those experiences were completely healthy in the mind and were also completely awake(for the Hypnagogic stuff not to be a possibility) and also many of them did not believe in ghosts prior to their experience. So the schema's you are talking about were not present. Of course, maybe for some, but to say that for millions of people would not make sense. The supernatural "beings" never fully come to this realm, they manifest in the form of energy at most times so there is not much of a trace. However they can cause changes in temperature wherever they are, and stuff along that line. So no, I guarantee you, millions of people are not having just simple hallucinations,OBE's, or doing drugs. However as I said before, some of them could be, and there is no doubt that a percentage of them are. But that is not a good enough explanation for millions of experiences.

Originally Posted by Sageous

A small interruption... I've heard the following bit of wisdom several times recently:



What does that even mean? That, because we did not exist before we existed, then we will not exist after we exist? That because we once (necessarily) did not care about existence, or rather non-existence, that we need not care about it now? That, when we did not exist, we didn't think about coming life, so now that we do exist, we should not ponder our death? That, because we didn't exist once, we are not permitted to exist again? Or maybe that because it at some point did not exist, our living consciousness is incapable of building something that might survive the death of its corporeal creator and vehicle? Or perhaps that because we once didn't exist, the nature of our current existence is irrelevant, no matter what we think? Or does it mean something else altogether?

I don't know; I have a feeling it means nothing at all. It just sounds cool, like something a stoned college student would say at 3am, to the astonishment of his equally stoned buddies. Thinking that we did not exist before we were born and then attaching the obvious fact that, since we didn't exist, we could not care about that non-existence, seems absurd to me, and does nothing to sway or temper a current concern about death.

Why should the fact that we didn't know or fear anything before we were born hold any sway at all about what we're thinking about now that we are born, have an identity, and perhaps might wonder bout what happens to us after death? It might sound pretty, or even logical, but it really means nothing.

Also, let's say there is something after death, some form of survival of consciousness. Why would that survival be negated because we once did not exist?

You mean the people who didn't get to live a life? The stillborns? The people who were never taken into the corporeal realm? Your brain needs to develop a personality, and that usually begins at age 3. I'm not sure about people who died before 3 or just weren't alive at all.

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Originally Posted by EzioAuditore

There's no scientific evidence of them, and even if they exist, you won't need to know about them, because you can't do anything in them anyway; you can't talk to anyone, because vocal chords only exist in the physical body. Look around? Nope. Those squishy balls of cornea and skin tissue are in the ground, rotting. Hear? Your "Eardrum" picks up vibrations from the environment and your brain turns it into something usable. That also rots like a jam donut. Smell? Smell is generated by small particles of something entering the nose through a suction; inhaling. Does your spirit have a diaphragm to inhale? Chances are, not. And finally, one of the most important senses; touch. Nerve endings transmit different kinds of information; Softness, pain, and in general, touch. These turn into electrical impulses, get handed off through synapses, go through the spinal chord, up to your brain stem, and the feel is deciphered; Softness? Pain? Touch? Depending on what it is, an involuntary movement can be triggered. If it's pain, usually at a high level, then you'd jerk away.

Even if there is a spirit, you won't need to worry about it, because you can't do anything as a spirit anyway; it'd just be remnants of the once optimistic and hopeful vessel that met an end, due to the process of human senescence [old age] breaking down the body, forever floating beyond anyone's range of five senses.

So you're implying that you know all of the physics of the spirit realm if there is one? Thats really arrogant of you. At this time we are only humans, we cant even explore beyond our own galaxy with our space ships. So you can not just completely trash the spirit/soul as being non existent because you know nothing about it. You cant explain the physics of a dimension you've never been too. Its impossible. You only have knowledge of the human body, not the spiritual one. Electronic voice phenomena can give you a glimpse of that, but even at that its a fairly small one. You cant use the physics of one realm and use them to trash another. Its the same way as you cant explain something if you never experienced it, you can try but it wont come close to the actual experience