Thread: OBE Skeptics.

Let skeptics argue that OBE dose not exist, they say we can't prove it. There is absolutely no proof lucid dreams exist!!! I will say it again! No PROOF lucid dreams exist!!! They do and so do OBE but who needs to prove it, let them limit their own experiance, you know what you experiance.

That's a long post.
I didn't read it.
Would it suffice to say that I don't have an opinion about OBE's one way or another?

Lucid dream is just a name we gave controlling your dreams, just like space, universe, earth, etc.


I hate when people say so and so is impossible so much! just because they/we cannot understand it right now. Obviously the world is really flat because it's impossible to think eitherwise or whatever lame thing people wanna make up because they can't get past their own problem of thinking and when people have no sense of wonder, or are complatly 1 sided it's unreal.

I dunno about OBE's...i mean there are cases where people float to other places in the world and see/hear things
. I read a story where someone was out of their body and went down the hall in the hospital he was in and saw his sister crying..he came back to his body later and she said she was crying at the place he saw her at...i mean explain that! maybe psychic ability, or OBE...who knows. Or hell read this...


http://www.near-death.com/experiences/evidence01.html

Explain how she knew how the b-1 bone saw blade looked like while being brain dead, with all blood drained from her head? not to mention everything was fine n all the electronics keeping an eye on her while she was dead. Dont care about the rest because that's probably just neurons and the retinas.

Sigh...

I don't know if this is "proof", but please for the love of anything that matters to you, read LaBerge's book before you so passionately say you can't prove lucid dreams, okay? He did experiments in his lab to try to prove these things, otherwise his whole PhD work would not have been taken seriously.

If you don't like people going on and on about OBEs not existing, don't read the threads. Just go on with your life believing whatever you want to.. why do you care. :p

Hey you again. Well I do not care. Read that other thread we were on. I am just being a loud mouth saying nothing is enough proof for someone to say it is totaly proven. I am a science geek, it is something from imperical science. Only a few LAWS of nature exists, as in indisputable. Everything else is just commonly believed to be true. But I did post a serious question for you on the other thread.

Originally Posted by sivason

Hey you again. Well I do not care. Read that other thread we were on. I am just being a loud mouth saying nothing is enough proof for someone to say it is totaly proven. I am a science geek, it is something from imperical science. Only a few LAWS of nature exists, as in indisputable. Everything else is just commonly believed to be true. But I did post a serious question for you on the other thread.

Ah sorry, so many of these

Originally Posted by sivason

Let skeptics argue that OBE dose not exist, they say we can't prove it. There is absolutely no proof lucid dreams exist!!! I will say it again! No PROOF lucid dreams exist!!! They do and so do OBE but who needs to prove it, let them limit their own experiance, you know what you experiance.

Proof of Lucid Dreaming:
http://www.lucidity.com/SleepAndCognition.html

To argue otherwise is to argue the certainty of anything in life. If this is the case, then we can never know that we know nothing. Advocating this, what practical means do you propose to live your life by? If you do not believe in anything or the possibility of knowing anything, then you ought to have a suggested means of living, deciding ethical matters, and taking responsibility for your social life.
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I wasn't meaning to you O'nus, i was just talking out loud. I'm alittle skeptical, and believe. I used to be a believer untill i came here to DV and learned what the brain can do. Though some things i will still believe no matter what but i'd take the skeptisism because i'm not all knowing. I didn't mean you think you know everything, i ment people in general who learn some new trick and think they know it all if you know what i mean.

Originally Posted by LucidFlanders

I wasn't meaning to you O'nus, i was just talking out loud. I'm alittle skeptical, and believe. I used to be a believer untill i came here to DV and learned what the brain can do. Though some things i will still believe no matter what but i'd take the skeptisism because i'm not all knowing. I didn't mean you think you know everything, i ment people in general who learn some new trick and think they know it all if you know what i mean.

Oh I see what you mean.

Though, your comments are subject to contradiction:
"Though some things i will still believe no matter what"
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"i ment people in general who learn some new trick and think they know it all"

Does this mean that you will believe in something even if there is empirical, logical, and reasonable evidence against claim X? (I am not sure what you are referring to)
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No, i'll half believe it.

Originally Posted by LucidFlanders

No, i'll half believe it.

People once said they fully believe in Jove, Zeus, and Thor. Those tales have been nullified and lone-gone. Is it not possible that what you are referring to could have the same substance? Where it could potentially be proven beyond reasonable doubt?

For example; if we could share the consicousness of a God on some miraculous reason and suddenly you are shown the nature of the world where many beliefs you held dear ar proven wrong; would you still "half-believe" it?

(I understand that sharing consciousness with God is highly unlikely, but my point is that we have certainty of something beyond doubt)
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That's hard to answer truthfully, we know nothing of our past ions ago except what people passed down in the ages, we didn't have the so called "proof" people love to have. Here is one...the bible. Passed through the ages, how much was changed to fit better in mans belief or thoughts. Get abunch of people and whisper something in their ear, they pass it along around the circle back to you and what you hear is different then what you started, i know because i've done that many times.