Thread: Time, Space, and the OBE - Share your theory

Lately I've been pondering how the out of body enviorment is held together without time and space, as most projectors claim that time and space simply don't exist during an OBE. Without time, there can be no sequence of events, and without space, no seperate enviorments and objects. I've came down to two theories: that the astral realms and RTZ don't exist on the physical plane, and that they belong to a completely different reality then our own, where perhaps time is simply one moment, and space... simply an illusion.

But what if these out-of-body enviorments actually exist on the physical plane, in the form of some un-discovered energy? Read this excerpt from Wikipedia:

Monroe gives a detailed description of the "second body". It has weight, is visible under certain conditions, produces a sensation of touch just like the physical touch, and yet it is very plastic and may adopt any form required of it. Possibly, suggests Monroe, the second body is a reversal of the physical. He even relates this to his ideas that it may consist of antimatter, although what he means is obscure. As for a cord, he tried feeling it on some of his excursions, but it was not an important part of his experience. Finally he suggests that the second body is related in some important way to electricity and magnetism. In experiments in a Faraday cage he found that he could not pass through the walls when a current was passed through them, but when it was turned off he could (though sufficient details are not given to assess the explanation fairly). He suggests a "third force" to add to electricity and magnetism which is used by the second body and fundamental to thought. What can we make of Monroe's descriptions? As always it is hard to disentangle what he has discovered about locations others might visit, from the product of his own bias or preoccupations. Some of his descriptions sound familiar, but many seem only odd.

So, what if the out-of-body enviorments do exist in this dimention? That would explain how it is held together, but then why doesn't time pass when your out-of-body?

First off, time does pass in an OBE, just much slower. My theory is that whatever energy that makes up the OBE enviorment is vibrating very fast, at the speed of light. Naturally, this would make time slow down drastically. Of course, trying to figure out the OBE enviorment is similer to a caveman trying to figure out how the physical word is put together.

What is everyone elses theory on the existance of the RTZ and Astral Realms?

It's also possible that space and time are an illusion on this physical plane as well... but yeah, I've always looked at AP as travel to another plane of existence.

Originally Posted by blade5x

It's also possible that space and time are an illusion on this physical plane as well... but yeah, I've always looked at AP as travel to another plane of existence.

The only question I have is if time and space don't exist then why do we still feel time within a dream? If a dream is just that time shouldn't be relative yet it still is.

Each plane is governed by completely different law. Maybe time and space are laws like no other, and only bound to this plane. Maybe every other plane of existence is governed by completely different laws in place of time. The universe is infinate.

I suppose I have a more biological perspective, seeing as this phenomenon can also happen in dreams and not just out of body experiences. When we are awake, the physical plane "keeps the pace" of time, and our consciousness's sense of time is at the mercy of it. But when we are asleep, our consciousness's sense of time is no longer bound by this objective, external rate. Instead, the only thing governing our sense of time is our mind.

This is a plausible explanation of how hours of dream time can fit into a few minutes of sleep. Would we be able to tap into someone’s mind and watch a real-time broadcast of such a dream, I assume it would appear to be happening in fast-forward. But to the mind in that dream, these events would appear to be happening at a normal pace, and thus you have the discrepancy in the passage of time.

Of course this is all speculation on my part, but it seems like a very reason explanation if I do say so myself. According to this theory, the only boundary of how long a dream could last, besides the skill of the person doing the dreaming, is that of the speed of neural firings (or electricity). I don’t know how long a 10 minute dream would seem to last if one’s neurons were firing at full capacity (or on full “fast-forward”), but I assume it would be a very long time.

Did that make any sense?

Originally Posted by ethen

I suppose I have a more biological perspective, seeing as this phenomenon can also happen in dreams and not just out of body experiences. When we are awake, the physical plane "keeps the pace" of time, and our consciousness's sense of time is at the mercy of it. But when we are asleep, our consciousness's sense of time is no longer bound by this objective, external rate. Instead, the only thing governing our sense of time is our mind.

This is a plausible explanation of how hours of dream time can fit into a few minutes of sleep. Would we be able to tap into someone’s mind and watch a real-time broadcast of such a dream, I assume it would appear to be happening in fast-forward. But to the mind in that dream, these events would appear to be happening at a normal pace, and thus you have the discrepancy in the passage of time.

Of course this is all speculation on my part, but it seems like a very reason explanation if I do say so myself. According to this theory, the only boundary of how long a dream could last, besides the skill of the person doing the dreaming, is that of the speed of neural firings (or electricity). I don’t know how long a 10 minute dream would seem to last if one’s neurons were firing at full capacity (or on full “fast-forward”), but I assume it would be a very long time.

Did that make any sense?

Yes, it does.

If things can be manipulated with "psi" (or whatever it is) on the physical plane, then it must in some way exist in the physical realm. It is possible to actually see energy constructs. Assuming this energy is the same energy that makes up your ethereal body and the astral planes and real-time zone, then it must be connected with the physical dimention somehow. This energy could be a force so powerful that the physical dimention could be manipulated in anyway by it. This force could defy the laws of time and space. If someone can move a cup with psychokinesis, or manipulate the laws of probibility, then what says the energy they are using can't defy the very laws which hold this dimention together?

These questions are so mind-boggling that sometimes I feel as if my head is going to explodeshock:!!!!

What is this force?

Originally Posted by ethen

I suppose I have a more biological perspective, seeing as this phenomenon can also happen in dreams and not just out of body experiences. When we are awake, the physical plane "keeps the pace" of time, and our consciousness's sense of time is at the mercy of it. But when we are asleep, our consciousness's sense of time is no longer bound by this objective, external rate. Instead, the only thing governing our sense of time is our mind.

This is a plausible explanation of how hours of dream time can fit into a few minutes of sleep. Would we be able to tap into someone’s mind and watch a real-time broadcast of such a dream, I assume it would appear to be happening in fast-forward. But to the mind in that dream, these events would appear to be happening at a normal pace, and thus you have the discrepancy in the passage of time.

Of course this is all speculation on my part, but it seems like a very reason explanation if I do say so myself. According to this theory, the only boundary of how long a dream could last, besides the skill of the person doing the dreaming, is that of the speed of neural firings (or electricity). I don’t know how long a 10 minute dream would seem to last if one’s neurons were firing at full capacity (or on full “fast-forward”), but I assume it would be a very long time.

Did that make any sense?

There is another flaw to your theory. Not that I know too much about leaving your own dream and entering someone elses (infact, I know absolutely nothing about it), but if you enter someone elses dream, is it fast forward? You can't attune your perceptions of time to that of anothers dream if you enter the dream all of a sudden and that person is operating a dream at a very fast pace. Or maybe the brain atuomatically attunes your perceptions of time to whats logical. Maybe the dream realm is a representational realm of collective memory (or whatever the source of "the All" is, and is completely bendable and accessable by the human brain when lucid.