Can someone please explain to me what the difference is? I’ve had several WILD’s/OBE’s and they are definitely more intense than a regular lucid dream (because you come from a conscious state.) However, I have trouble believing in an ‘astral plane’, to me a WILD and an OBE are the exact same thing. I even purchased a book on Astral Projection and it was full of barely legible new-age propaganda (ie: eliminating meats from your diet etc.). In Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming scientist and author Stephen Laberge even discredits astral projection. This isn’t a post to bash some of your beliefs, but I am genuinely interested into any argument or proof you feel you have that makes astral projection real/different from WILD’ing.