Thread: Higher States Of Consciousness Through Lucid Dreaming?

I've never controlled my dreams through lucid dreaming before (to a great extent) and in truth haven't lucid dreamt since i read extensively on it (last week). I have, however, been on the search for truth for a long time, researching where i could, experiencing different things at random (seemingly) and finding out many wonderful and weird theories. I've always felt like I have a higher awareness than everyone I've met save for a few, and have been able to "feel" certain events, energies, whatever. I've always felt like the real meaning, or way to it, is just beyond my reach.

When I locked on to lucid dreaming though, I've suddenly become obsessed, researching, reading, thinking the possibilities, and my waking hours are filled with visions of finding out things I never thought possible.
Maybe my subconscious is telling me what I'll find in lucid dreams?

I don't know. But I do believe when we get there, we'll know, and we'll definitely have a better understanding of things and be able to use that to find the way forward.

Man, i feel the same way you do, I'm also wondering. I want to acheive a higher state of conciousness, I think step one is lucid dreaming. I think other things like trancendental meditation and astral travel are futher into it. The only thing is meditation is not accepted at my school because it is a conservative christian college. Anyone i try to talk to about it think i'm getting into devilish things so i don't share with anyone. I would like to learn how to become aware. I feel my concious becoming stronger and more aware every day.

I've tempoararily experienced hyper-awareness in lucids before, and all I can say is that it is one crazy but good feeling.

Originally Posted by cachero

Man, i feel the same way you do, I'm also wondering. I want to acheive a higher state of conciousness, I think step one is lucid dreaming. I think other things like trancendental meditation and astral travel are futher into it. The only thing is meditation is not accepted at my school because it is a conservative christian college. Anyone i try to talk to about it think i'm getting into devilish things so i don't share with anyone. I would like to learn how to become aware. I feel my concious becoming stronger and more aware every day.
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Where do you go to school?

I don't think meditation is devilish at all, in fact the opposite. It's more about being in touch with your body and mind, and having more awareness of things around you and how it all connects. It can be a better way of getting to know your God than praying or singing hymns in my opinion.

Don't let that kak make you change your mind man, info is out there. Check the net! There's a billion different places (I'm sure you've already looked) to find info and stuff on it.

I still haven't gotten to lucid dreaming yet (I've not really had a good time with recall lately) but I'm sure it's around the corner and right there.

As for higher consciousness, it's there waiting to be grabbed, and we as individuals just have to find a way of grabbing it. I don't think its limited to lucid dreaming or meditation, those are simply different ways of getting there. Find out about meditation, try it, it may help.

Originally Posted by 13redfan

Where do you go to school?

I don't think meditation is devilish at all, in fact the opposite. It's more about being in touch with your body and mind, and having more awareness of things around you and how it all connects. It can be a better way of getting to know your God than praying or singing hymns in my opinion.

Don't let that kak make you change your mind man, info is out there. Check the net! There's a billion different places (I'm sure you've already looked) to find info and stuff on it.

I still haven't gotten to lucid dreaming yet (I've not really had a good time with recall lately) but I'm sure it's around the corner and right there.

As for higher consciousness, it's there waiting to be grabbed, and we as individuals just have to find a way of grabbing it. I don't think its limited to lucid dreaming or meditation, those are simply different ways of getting there. Find out about meditation, try it, it may help.
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I got to school at Union College of Seventh Day Adventist. Its in lincoln nebraska. I know what you mean, its not accepted when you get into higher states of consiouness, they think that if you have OBE or your body is not consious than someone or something can get inside and control you, like the devil or a evil spirit or something. Its very frustrating, thats why i'm trying to find someone to adopt me so i can actually have some one to talk to ite about. My roommate thinks i'm a weirdo, and he is about the most open minded person on campus....so i'm kind of stuck.

peyote is a hell of a drug...

Originally Posted by cachero

Man, i feel the same way you do, I'm also wondering. I want to acheive a higher state of conciousness, I think step one is lucid dreaming. I think other things like trancendental meditation and astral travel are futher into it. The only thing is meditation is not accepted at my school because it is a conservative christian college. Anyone i try to talk to about it think i'm getting into devilish things so i don't share with anyone. I would like to learn how to become aware. I feel my concious becoming stronger and more aware every day.
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If your a christian then I wouldt recomend any type of meditation,exept meditating on the word of God.There are many lies assosiated with meditation.The guides are demons diguised as some heavenly form.I understand you are at a christian school,that doesnt mean your a christian persay,Just be carefull opening doors that are extremely hard to close.And lucid dreaming is not the same as astral projection or meditation.

Split thread (regarding the recurring platonic solids dream) to this thread.

Originally Posted by bendstringz

If your a christian then I wouldt recomend any type of meditation,exept meditating on the word of God.There are many lies assosiated with meditation.The guides are demons diguised as some heavenly form.
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Where do you get that?

Meditation was a common practice in the East long before Jesus came here. It was here long before Moses. Was Satan behind it back then too? Are Hindus, Buddhists, and Taoists agents of Satan from way back? Is Ghandi in Hell?

Originally Posted by bendstringz

If your a christian then I wouldt recomend any type of meditation,exept meditating on the word of God.There are many lies assosiated with meditation.The guides are demons diguised as some heavenly form.I understand you are at a christian school,that doesnt mean your a christian persay,Just be carefull opening doors that are extremely hard to close.And lucid dreaming is not the same as astral projection or meditation.[/b]

Heheheh.

Ahhh, I love Beyond Dreaming - it's stuff like this that makes my day. I'm in fits of laughter right now.

Originally Posted by bendstringz

People have claimed to have permanently raised their consciousness through lucid dreaming. Some have said that they ended up realizing the great truth about reality, that it is a dream. They say that they have awoken from the dream and that describing that state of consciousness is impossible because it is so different from the world we know. It exists in a completely different format and cannot be described in any kind of detail at all.[/b]

I'm suprised at you, Universal. The explanation and description given by such people of "higher consciousness" is the exact same one given of God:

Believer: "It exists at a higher level. It transcends understanding."
Rational: "But if you can't explain it or describe it, what the hell are you on about, you nut?"
Believer: "You just haven't reached the level of understanding neccessary to get what I'm talking about."

Yet, you seem to be giving this higher consciousness stuff way more credence than God.

Originally Posted by Universal

Where do you get that?

Meditation was a common practice in the East long before Jesus came here. It was here long before Moses. Was Satan behind it back then too? Are Hindus, Buddhists, and Taoists agents of Satan from way back? Is Ghandi in Hell?
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yea uh the hebrews supposedly helped build the pyramids and there religion and mine are one and the same.the entity I described as demons or Satan has been around before mankind.so to answer your question yes.I dont know whos in Hell.it is not my place to judge anyone.

Originally Posted by bendstringz

yea uh the hebrews supposedly helped build the pyramids and there religion and mine are one and the same.the entity I described as demons or Satan has been around before mankind.so to answer your question yes.I dont know whos in Hell.it is not my place to judge anyone.
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So Hindus, Buddhists, and Taoists of ancient times were satanic? Interesting. And where do you get that?

Originally Posted by The

Believer: "It exists at a higher level. It transcends understanding."
Rational: "But if you can't explain it or describe it, what the hell are you on about, you nut?"
Believer: "You just haven't reached the level of understanding neccessary to get what I'm talking about."

Yet, you seem to be giving this higher consciousness stuff way more credence than God.
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There is a huge difference. This is not the religion forum, so we can't get too far into religious disagreement here, but I will say this... There is nothing illogical about the idea of higher states of consciousness. There are no contradictions in it. The conversation you illustrated above is not one I have ever had, and there are no contradictory claims made in it any way.

Have you ever done a psychedelic drug that had effects which defied description? I have had salvia trips that were so wacked out that I could barely describe to people what happened. I have gotten some of my friends to try salvia and asked them afterwards what they experienced. One of them just sat there with an expression that suggested that there was no way to describe it, and then he said, "There was this bottle cap, or something, and everything was, uh, it was just really fucked up." Somebody else said he didn't even know where to begin in explaining it. Similar experiences are reported by DMT users. The same is the case with higher states of consciousness, but not to as much of an extent. You might want to laugh when I say this, but... I have experienced higher states of consciousness. Call me crazy or whatever, but I am not lying. Some were drug induced, and some were not. They are completely real. Here we are talking about experiences, not ghosts or aliens or anything. You know for a fact when you are having a mental experience. I know what mental experiences I have had. I know that I have seen what appeared to be the immense beauty of the oneness of all things and the ultimate serenity that comes with that perception. That is the perception that one metaphysical reality comes in the form of all things and that it is astoundingly beautiful. Even if the perception is false, the experience is undoubtably real. I have experienced that higher state of consciousness as well as a vision of the ultimate significance of life, which I saw in a lucid dream. That is completely mental, but the mental experience is real. I have also had higher states of consciousness where I have seen life's ultimate insignificance. There is an expanded awareness, or appearance of awareness, accompanied by a hightened ability to feel emotions, that takes place in these states.

My question in this thread is not whether these states can exist or whether they can exist in lucid dreams. I am only questioning whether lucid dreams can be used to create these experiences in waking life. I did describe what certain supposed lucid dreaming gurus have claimed, which is that the state they reached 100% defies description. I have not experienced that, and not all higher states of consciousness are like that, but I can see where it could be the case. It is not a concept that contradicts itself.

I beleive ego death, associated with LSD, DMT, Salvia, Mushrooms etc. Is gaining a higher state of consiousness. Which to some people lasts the rests of their life's to other is just a memory. This book: http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online...xperience.shtml is a very good read, in any of those looking for a higher state of consiousness. It tells you how to acheive ego death, through drugs or meditiation. You could possibly try this technique in a lucid dream, it may just very well work.

Originally Posted by Universal

My question in this thread is not whether these states can exist or whether they can exist in lucid dreams. I am only questioning whether lucid dreams can be used to create these experiences in waking life.[/b]

I'm going to say yes to that, but add you'd have to be unbelievably brave to pull it off. If you haven't read Carlos Castaneda's books, you might check those out. Gives some good examples of what you're asking about. And you might also look into Emmanuel Swedenborg, and what he accomplished with the hypnagogic state. He actually coined the term Hypnagogic.

Originally Posted by The

I'm going to say yes to that, but add you'd have to be unbelievably brave to pull it off. If you haven't read Carlos Castaneda's books, you might check those out. Gives some good examples of what you're asking about. And you might also look into Emmanuel Swedenborg, and what he accomplished with the hypnagogic state. He actually coined the term Hypnagogic.
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Thanks. I should check those out. I've been interested in Castaneda for a while, but I still haven't read any of his stuff. If he talks about using lucids to create higher waking consciousness, I definitely need to read his stuff. Why do you say it takes bravery to pull that off?

Originally Posted by Universal

There is a huge difference. This is not the religion forum, so we can't get too far into religious disagreement here, but I will say this... There is nothing illogical about the idea of higher states of consciousness. There are no contradictions in it. The conversation you illustrated above is not one I have ever had, and there are no contradictory claims made in it any way.

Have you ever done a psychedelic drug that had effects which defied description? I have had salvia trips that were so wacked out that I could barely describe to people what happened. I have gotten some of my friends to try salvia and asked them afterwards what they experienced. One of them just sat there with an expression that suggested that there was no way to describe it, and then he said, "There was this bottle cap, or something, and everything was, uh, it was just really fucked up." Somebody else said he didn't even know where to begin in explaining it. Similar experiences are reported by DMT users. The same is the case with higher states of consciousness, but not to as much of an extent. You might want to laugh when I say this, but... I have experienced higher states of consciousness. Call me crazy or whatever, but I am not lying. Some were drug induced, and some were not. They are completely real. Here we are talking about experiences, not ghosts or aliens or anything. You know for a fact when you are having a mental experience. I know what mental experiences I have had. I know that I have seen what appeared to be the immense beauty of the oneness of all things and the ultimate serenity that comes with that perception. That is the perception that one metaphysical reality comes in the form of all things and that it is astoundingly beautiful. Even if the perception is false, the experience is undoubtably real. I have experienced that higher state of consciousness as well as a vision of the ultimate significance of life, which I saw in a lucid dream. That is completely mental, but the mental experience is real. I have also had higher states of consciousness where I have seen life's ultimate insignificance. There is an expanded awareness, or appearance of awareness, accompanied by a hightened ability to feel emotions, that takes place in these states.

My question in this thread is not whether these states can exist or whether they can exist in lucid dreams. I am only questioning whether lucid dreams can be used to create these experiences in waking life. I did describe what certain supposed lucid dreaming gurus have claimed, which is that the state they reached 100% defies description. I have not experienced that, and not all higher states of consciousness are like that, but I can see where it could be the case. It is not a concept that contradicts itself.
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you know Ive done alot of drugs including lsd salvia shrooms extasy and so on.yes you do get a glimpse of another realm.If youve ever had a bad lsd trip,you may have seen the dark side of it.I have had a life changeing experiance with my first ld.As I began to control that dream I was lifted up and surounded by a golg energy.I could also see a great city in the distance that my mind couldnt comprehind.but anyway,since were all taking time out of our lives to research,and discuss these dreams,it is obviosly affecting our lives.more to some than others.

I hear what you're saying Bendz, I've also experienced the same "higher" states with and without drugs. Although I didnt really get anything off the Silvia divinorum extract I had.

Universal Mind, You should deffinately check out the castenada if you're aiming for higher conciousness. I'm not saying everything he wrote is gospel, but for me it's provided a good foundation for understanding... you know, stuff. Just about any of his books will do, story aside, each book just repeats the basics endlessly. It's not about reading them and understanding, it's about doing and becoming... or something like that. I need to stop typing now.

Originally Posted by Universal

People have claimed to have permanently raised their consciousness through lucid dreaming. Some have said that they ended up realizing the great truth about reality, that it is a dream. They say that they have awoken from the dream and that describing that state of consciousness is impossible because it is so different from the world we know. It exists in a completely different format and cannot be described in any kind of detail at all.

Has anybody here had any experiences with higher consciousness as a result of lucid dreaming?
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I have just been talking about this for an hour with a "professional?."
We went into great depth about this. I can fully understand your statement form where I highlighted in bold.
In my own experience with lucid dreaming, it has risen my awareness. You mention, "permanently raised." Through any learning process, such as awareness, your state of conscious is at another level of perception. Learned and instilled...permanently, one hopes.
In a matter of speaking claiming that life is the same as a dream. If that is the case, then it is not that different is it?

Perception, awareness and reality. > Through a heightened awareness of your perceptions, your reality changes.
I think some Zen and yoga masters call this enlightenment. Some call it liberation. They cannot see reality as it once was. False, like a dream. An illusion.
They live in the now. They are in concert with their own mind. Rather than their mind consciously getting in the way. It is said so freely, to live in the now. It is so cliche. But there is a lot behind that.

Thanks for the Topic. Perfect timing. It is great discussing topics when they are on the top of your thoughts.

I wonder

How would one attain this level of awareness?

i had a thought just now that i could dedicate my entire being on running.
From here on, i would do nothing but run, sleep, eat and drink water.

i would do so just to see where it gets me


ofcourse, i could put my entire spirit into meditation
and see where that would get me


but this level of dedication requires strength and will
something of which i lack hehh

does extreme dedication reach higher levels of consciousness?


hah kinda offtopic

wellp
ive never had any personal experiences with high awareness levels
(only lower ones; where i have no fucken idea whats going on )


PS: heyyyy im a budhist who believes in taoist philosophy
that does NOT MAKE ME A DEVIL

frriiicckkkk i cant believe there are people like that out there

Originally Posted by korawl

ive never had any personal experiences with high awareness levels
(only lower ones; where i have no fucken idea whats going on )
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I've experienced plenty of those. If only I could put those on the same pedestal. There are plenty of drugs that are tickets straight to that state of mind.

Originally Posted by cachero

I got to school at Union College of Seventh Day Adventist. Its in lincoln nebraska. I know what you mean, its not accepted when you get into higher states of consiouness, they think that if you have OBE or your body is not consious than someone or something can get inside and control you, like the devil or a evil spirit or something. Its very frustrating, thats why i'm trying to find someone to adopt me so i can actually have some one to talk to ite about. My roommate thinks i'm a weirdo, and he is about the most open minded person on campus....so i'm kind of stuck.
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You will meet many "religeous" people that will not venture beyond the edicts of their particular faith. That's O.K. for them. It is where they choose to be. You are the one who needs to decide what is O.K. for you.

I consider myself to be very spiritual...I have a very close relationship with God. However, I do not consider myself "religeous". My interpretation of meditation is seeking God within yourself. It allows you to tap into an inner peace and open up God's loving energy. I am certain that you have prayed many times. I suggest that you pray for guidance in regard to meditation. If you feel this is important to pursue further, try researching guided meditations to prevent confusion about what to expect. Read about Deepak Chopra, Andrew Weil and Wayne Dyer.

In regard to lucid dreaming, it has taught me that the ease in changing my dream can also be applied to my waking state. I could give you many examples...some as simple as finding a parking spot to something more important such as creating prosperity when it is needed.

If you have ever had that "little voice" inside tell you something and found you should have taken heed, then listen to it when it speaks to you and it will help you discern what it right for you and what is not.

Here is how I experienced a transcendental lucid dream. The evening before the dream, I was thinking about how much our dreams consisted of self-imposed limitations. I was noticing that we tend to bring the baggage of daily waking life into the dream and it stops us from experiencing everything we could. This wasn't an exercise or anything, I was just thinking about it.

That night, I was in a normal dream I realized I was dreaming and became lucid. After becoming lucid, I levitated myself high in the air. It felt really good to float there, so I closed my eyes and felt the sensation. I was essentially meditating within the dream. I remembered what I was thinking about self-imposed limitations and willed the good feeling to increase (just like I verbally command visual clarity or light levels). It worked and I had a wave of pleasant sensation pass over me and remain. I did this a few more times until it became REALLY good. I wasn't trying for any transcendence, just seeing how good I could feel by just willing it. The answer is: mind-blowingly good. Hehe.

But it didn't stop there. The overwhelmingly good feeling centered in my lower back and seemed to be an explosion of pleasurable energy. It began moving up my spine getting stronger as it went up. I no longer willed it--it was just happening. By the time it reached the top of my head, I lost all sense of time, place, ego. Supernova.

I won't even try to explain the rest. The point is what led to the experience. I don't know if this will work for anyone else, but it did for me. Good luck. This was after I was a rather experienced lucid dreamer and half-assed meditator.

Originally Posted by OsakaWilson

That night, I was in a normal dream I realized I was dreaming and became lucid. After becoming lucid, I levitated myself high in the air. It felt really good to float there, so I closed my eyes and felt the sensation. I was essentially meditating within the dream. I remembered what I was thinking about self-imposed limitations and willed the good feeling to increase (just like I verbally command visual clarity or light levels). It worked and I had a wave of pleasant sensation pass over me and remain. I did this a few more times until it became REALLY good. I wasn't trying for any transcendence, just seeing how good I could feel by just willing it. The answer is: mind-blowingly good. Hehe.

But it didn't stop there. The overwhelmingly good feeling centered in my lower back and seemed to be an explosion of pleasurable energy. It began moving up my spine getting stronger as it went up. I no longer willed it--it was just happening. By the time it reached the top of my head, I lost all sense of time, place, ego. Supernova.
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That sounds so awesome! I have had some experiences with higher states during lucid dreams. I once saw what appeared to be the meaning of life, not that there really is one. It might be the coolest thing I have ever "seen". I understood it when I went to a museum of my past and saw my mother holding me as a three year old. For a moment, I saw the appearance of life's incredible significance and the immortality of the realities of the past. It gives me a rush just to think about it. I also achieved the sort of pure ecstasy you were talking in the ballpark of, and I also found the ultimate sexual euphoria in a lucid dream. All three of those states were brief, but now that I am getting back into another big lucid dream phase, I think I can end up making those states last.

My biggest hinderance in lucid dreaming has been my weed habit. That stuff clouds my head and makes lucid dreaming so difficult, but it is so damn addictive! Usually after about three weeks of staying off drugs, I can start getting somewhere. I just bet my brother $350 last night that I can go six months without doing any recreational drugs, so I think good things are on the horizon.

Did your spiritually extreme lucid dream leave you in a higher state the next day?